Er if you mean the castle background in this gif -
I'm pretty sure its supposed to be like that, its supposed to look like a simple wood background like they have at fairs and amusement parks etc.
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Sunset Overdrive: 900p/30fps
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Er if you mean the castle background in this gif -
I'm pretty sure its supposed to be like that, its supposed to look like a simple wood background like they have at fairs and amusement parks etc.
It is not worse. Any game could hit 1080/60 if they wanted to. They could scale back the textures, lighting, draw distance, number of enemies on screen, etc and hit that magical 1080/60 benchmark but most likely the game would be crap by that point. Yes, in a perfect world where there were no hardware constraints it would be better, but in the real world where consoles are $400 1080/60 is not automatically better than 900/30.
I bet those Driveclub cars drive slower than Forza cars since they aren't 60 fps
Smh, what are you trying to say cause that makes no sense
What are the "2d sprite effects" in Sunset Overdrive? please tell me you aren't talking about the particle effects because those look absolutely amazing and are maybe the most impressive looking thing on the game.
Also a lot of Insomniac's games last gen were sub-720p so it's not surprising to see SO being 900p.
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I don't think he was trying to say that at all. He was never making a comparison. He simply said that the gameplay didn't look 60 FPS.
Why are people bringing up games of completely different genres?
A lot of people don't understand that being able to tell the difference in image quality and framerate isn't universal. Even among people who can tell the difference, the 'degree' of difference can be different from person to person.
Steverulez
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Phil Spencer mentioned on the Major Nelson podcast pre-E3 about the SKD update that SO and Destiny would both benefit from it, he specifically mentioned Destiny getting a resolution bump (didn't say what it was) and we know SO was sub-1080p at the current time from the early previews so I guess that should have been an indication.
Im sure theres stuff they are doing with the June SDK update, but increasing the resolution to 1080p isn't one of them
That would make sense. I didn't know if he was trolling or not lol
1080p is the visual standard for modern TVs. A quick Google gets you this:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s.../LCDs/1080p_LCD_Sets_Dominate_the_Market/6351
2011. The article is going on 3 years old now. It is not acceptable for either supposedly "premium" gaming console to not be hitting 1080p, in 2013. That is not the median for visual quality or displays. It is however, the median for the X1 because of poor hardware choices and a wasted silicon budget. So yes, it is indeed news, each and every time this error in judgment rears its ugly head. Which it will, case in, case out. And it should be reinforced to the manufacturers that this is not acceptable for a premium console, so that it does not happen ever again. 900p is not "close" to 1080p, anymore than 3/4 of a mile is "basically" a mile. 900p is still missing a sizable amount of pixels that even the layman can detect as "blurriness" or other artifacting.
Windom Earle
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There is no way it will happen for the console versions. GTA is way too CPU intensive for that. Not sure why people are setting themselves up for disappointment. Anyway, GTA needs it less compared to an action game like Sunset Overdrive, 30fps should be ok for it.
Revolutionary
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Because they all run at 720...
Also, with the visual fidelity they're going for in Zelda, don't be surprised when they announce the framerate isn't 60.
Agreed... The difference between 720p and 1080p is huge to me but some of my friends and relatives can't tell the difference. Should I scream in their ear and say they are "lying"? That would be a straight up snobbish geek move (haha).
Ricerocket
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I'm joking
This "june SDK" thing is just funny to me. It's becoming a goto excuse for underperforming games. SDK improves for every console, not just X1.Why do these threads always turn to shit? :/
Krusenstern
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Doesn't surprise my anymore that many Xbone games can't reach 1080p.
But what about the 30fps? I really expected this to be 60fps. I hope this is simply due to hardware constraints and not a design decision by Insomniac. Wouldn't bode well for the Ratchet & Clank PS4 remake if they really dropped 60fps altogether.
But what about the 30fps? I really expected this to be 60fps. I hope this is simply due to hardware constraints and not a design decision by Insomniac. Wouldn't bode well for the Ratchet & Clank PS4 remake if they really dropped 60fps altogether.
Xenon
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Apologists, lol. More like inflated controversy. I remember a certain UFC demo where people were fooled by 900p.
BananaSprinkles
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I'm fairly certain that's not true.
This is strictly just your opinion.
Obviously there are a lot of other people out there (particulary normal casual non-GAF people) who are buying 900p games, so it does not matter to everyone and you can't force people to think that way.
Er if you mean the castle background in this gif -
I'm pretty sure its supposed to be like that, its supposed to look like a simple wood background like they have at fairs and amusement parks etc.
I think he's referring to the lightning style effects which come out of the character etc. which are by no means crappy.
InsaneTiger
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Insomniac said that Ratchet & Clank: A Crack in Time would be their last 60 fps game. Sorry guys, Insomniac doesn't believe a higher framerate affects sales. It does look good though.
SemiHollowCarrot
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Can't get any simpler. The action in the game already looked slow. 30FPS isn't surprising to hear considering that.
Speed lines on slow action? It's a terrible effect.
Do you actually think these two things are exclusive to one another?
FrankieMcGuire
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Just one question. Why is a 8 year hardware gap so barely 'visible'. Xbox 360 came out 2005. Xbox One 2013. So why did Microsoft put an low end notebook processor into the Xbox One with a weak gpu? Heat? Cost? I don't get it...
BRocknRolla
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You're really going to be a great contributor to this community.
There's no other result from this kind of thing. Seeing the numbers, the only response should have been a sad-trombone; the resolution is lower than a lot of people's TVs and the frame rate isn't as high as people would hope. But instead it's a bunch of people saying, "Good enough! I couldn't tell the difference with anything better anyway!" and others saying, "This will be unplayable! How could they do this?" You're not going to find a bunch of complex conversation here.
Which part is my opinion? The last bit, maybe, but the truth of 1080p market penetration is a fact, a reality, which certain console makers (and their fans) are choosing to ignore. Its like sticking with rotary when more modern telephones came around, that's how these sort of stubborn anachronisms seem to me (now there is an opinion).
Try to get Sunset Overdrive to run on PS360 and look at the results.
Wishmaster92
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That's fine at least it's not some 792p crap. I wonder how much the 10% gpu will help this game. Maybe better textures and lighting?
What do you mean? The games on the Xbox One look immensely better than the games on the Xbox 360. Sunset Overdrive would probably be less than 720p with an unstable frame rate and less visual effects on the 360.
And yeah, many of the decisions were made based on cost in terms of specs. Same for any modern console.
I wished we had the same discussion last year ...
This is just 640p ... preorder cancelled ! *rolleyes*
Sometimes I would prefer the developers would just not tell what the resolution is as they did last generation and everybody would be happy and experience a fun game without thinking of minor technical stuff about 95% of the gamers will not notice anyway ...
This is just 640p ... preorder cancelled ! *rolleyes*
Sometimes I would prefer the developers would just not tell what the resolution is as they did last generation and everybody would be happy and experience a fun game without thinking of minor technical stuff about 95% of the gamers will not notice anyway ...
Krusenstern
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Of course not. That possibility would mean they don't care for 60fps either.
1) When 720p TV's were standard last gen, there were tons of games that didn't hit 720p. This outrage over native resolution-or-bust is quite new for some reason. You keep calling these 'premium' consoles as if they're somehow more deluxe than last generation or something, when the opposite is probably true and last generation's consoles were actually more powerful by relative standards.
2) People like to spout, 'well 1080p has this many pixels more than 900p and that's a big number to be missing!', but it ignores that you get diminishing returns at higher resolutions at a set size and distance away. The difference in number of pixels between 1080p and 1440p is 1.7 million. Difference between 720p and 1080p is only about 1 million. This does not mean that 1440p is 170% better looking than 1080p.
The game looks incredible, great art direction, and like a good time.
Who care about the resolution and framerate (if it's locked) in that case.
You had people that were impressed/blown away in a thread that had a PS4 vs PS3 The Last of Us comparison......that was running in 720p....let alone 900p.
What matters the most is if it's fresh and fun. Everything else is a bonus.
Is this a joke post?
The next gen consoles shot for low-end CPUs and less than current GPUs in order to keep heat and cost down. No one wanted to lose money out of the gate.
Who care about the resolution and framerate (if it's locked) in that case.
You had people that were impressed/blown away in a thread that had a PS4 vs PS3 The Last of Us comparison......that was running in 720p....let alone 900p.
What matters the most is if it's fresh and fun. Everything else is a bonus.
Is this a joke post?
The next gen consoles shot for low-end CPUs and less than current GPUs in order to keep heat and cost down. No one wanted to lose money out of the gate.
flarkminator
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I think this is the longest thread we've had for Sunset.
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RoadHazard
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It's not that hard to see on a 1080p display. The difference between a 1:1 pixel mapped image and an upscaled one is very noticeable even if the actual difference in resolution isn't massive. Native res always looks much sharper.
LMAO!
M_A_C
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Oh yeah, that 10% will make it look like a Pixar movie only better.
The exact part that I quoted. Where you are saying it's completely unacceptable and that it should never happen again on current-gen consoles.
My point is there are lots of game buyers out there who do accept it and don't care.
Wishmaster92
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Nah, i played resistance 1,2,3 and the first two looked like crap, the third one looked amazing huge graphical difference compared to the last two, but it was sub-hd.
Rising_Hei
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This is the kind of game where 60fps is very welcome
Haha, so sad.
Edit: Well that's good. I would say to wait until the day is over though.
You should be a comedian.
FrankieMcGuire
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But X360 has 2004 hardware in it.... We are talking about 8(!) years!!
8 years is an eternity in tech. Look at Xbox 1 to 360. 4 year gap. X360 games look unbelievable compared to Xbox 1. Compare Gta San Andreas with GTA 5. 4 year hardware gap.
Compare GTA 5 with Watch Dogs on Xbox One... 8 year hardware gap. Lol.
what the hell are you even talking about?
What are you talking about? It's nonsense. TLOU:Remastered runs at 1080p.
Nobody used the comparison vid to compare resolutions, but plenty of other stuff like character models, texture quality, foliage, draw distance, etcetera.
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