digoutyoursoul
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Don't know about anyone else but a game not being 1080p 30fps does not ruin my enjoyment at all.
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Sunset Overdrive: 900p/30fps
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Plenty? Watch_dogs and Battlefield 4 are all I can remember not running at 1080p.
Lol
Still somehow something will replace resolution and fps debates
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Journalists would still ask questions about resolutions and framerates regardless. It either leads to two situations: the developer gives out the info or they decline to do soboth situations will bring traffic to their site so its a win-win situation for them. Its never going to stop.
SMOK3Y
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It's been the same every gen just the shoes on the other foot this time....
digoutyoursoul
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Oh lord give me strength.
You think they chose to keep this game at 900/30 purposefully? As if it somehow fits with this game?
A game of this art style will always look better at 1080/60and the only reason it's NOT is because they obviously don't have the ability to do so.
You are comparing two games with one not even released yet, on different engines,different hardware with different for all we know priorities...stop dude please.
Windom Earle
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After seeing the IQ of the E3 trailer it was expected. Still disappointing though.
pickle tooth
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I hope they release a demo, I really want to test this game out.
As for the resolution, doesn't bother me, I think it looks great. Although I wouldn't of minded 60fps.
As for the resolution, doesn't bother me, I think it looks great. Although I wouldn't of minded 60fps.
It's always a game of tradeoffs. For them to get this at 1080/60, it would be a very different looking game.
That's pretty much console development in a nutshell.
Is this your first time owning a console?
It depends on what he means by that A cartoonish art style kind of allows for a less detailed and demanding world. It doesn't necessarily make it so, it's just that you can lower the detail on objects and textures and still have something that is visually appealing. You don't really need to waste resources on sophisticated visual effects either. The lighting is naturally going to be oversaturated anyway, so you perhaps don't have to waste resources using a realistic lighting system.
Having said that, there does seem to be an awful lot going on, so perhaps that is where the problems lie.
They could have reduced the 100s of active enemies on the screen, but they didn't.
Every game would be better at 1080/60fps. The reason they aren't is because of the limitations of the console. Like, look at how amazing Driveclub looks. They also could have reduced the graphics or what not to make it 60fps, but they didn't. Some things are a priority. Here I'm glad Insomniac chose content over glamor
Source for the 100 enemies btw
http://www.onlysp.com/sunset-overdrive-looking-to-have-near-100-active-enemies-on-screen-at-once/
darkness_s
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You can make a case for games/types of games where 30fps is acceptable, but it is never better than 60fps, it just isn't. I accept 30fps as being enough in a lot of cases, the original point I was arguing is that I think that it wasn't unreasonable to expect the standard for xbone and ps4 to be 1080p/30. I'm one of those people who really like good framarate though, as I'd rather have the game be 720p/60 over 1080p/30.
60fps by itself doesn't result in a game that is harder to sell, if anything it should help sales. Not-so-great graphics though, as a consequence of targeting 60fps, can result in a game that is harder to sell, but not necessarily.
Nope i have owned them since the Atari 2600 days. It doesn't make this kind of stuff any less tedious, especially when you are someone who buys both Playstation and Xbox consoles.
I guess this is where I'm not understanding they'd have to sacrifice anything to make it work.
This game looks GREAT but honestly looking at SS there should be no reason to make this run at that kind of resolution and frame rate.
╭I'd have guessed the frantic traversal would work better if the game ran at 60fps. I mean, you will pan and scan for new landing points nearly constantly, and your average movement speed seems to be pretty high, so a higher framerate would make those camera movements far smoother.
Whatever. Looks fun (although I'm strangely enough not feeling the "splatter the Zombies" thing), and that's what matters. ...as long as the 30fps are set in stone. Dipping below that is really not acceptable.
Whatever. Looks fun (although I'm strangely enough not feeling the "splatter the Zombies" thing), and that's what matters. ...as long as the 30fps are set in stone. Dipping below that is really not acceptable.
dgrdsv
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360 and PS3 were pretty much identical in these terms. Didn't help at all.
SictorVullivan
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I guess you haven't seen all the posts in DriveClub threads complaining about 30 fps/ lack of 60fps?
It's not like because one game runs at 1080p every other game must be able to. Extreme example, but I bet Xbone could run Pong at a super duper high res. They've probably got enough of a strain on the CPU or GPU that they can't push to a higher res without making sacrifices in areas they don't want to make sacrifices in.
Confused Cheeseburger
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Still looks amazing.
Your exactly right, that's what I'm referring to. Having this art style can lead to an absolutely gorgeous game but not necessarily have the beefy load of extremely detailed textures. I feel the hardware could handle it no problem.
LiquidMetal14
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Oh well
JetSetRadio
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As long as it's a rocksolid 30fps, I really want to play this game.
Insomniac is not a lazy dev though, hardware might be the limiting factor here.
Insomniac is not a lazy dev though, hardware might be the limiting factor here.
Oh I didn't know that. The videos they've shown so far don't show hundreds on screen at the same time. If it's like dead rising kind of numbers or more then the 900p makes sense.
Seismic response
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Now factor in the goal of having 100 enemies on screen, the pace, and the constant effects. That likely is your difference.
Second Son and this are doing different things. This has a big focus on LOADS of enemies on screen, not to mention there are no games on either console pulling 60fps on an open world game.
It's hard to say what exactly would have to change, but they obviously have a limited amount of power to work with. Take a 1080p 60fps game, and make it 30. You now have much more power to work with. Dropping resolution in tandem just increases it further, and the xb1 is already weaker than the ps4 as it is. They're ultimately going into this with a specific vision in mind and want to do it without sacrificing the gameplay, so the resolution drops with it. I kinda doubt this was ever planning on 60fps, though if they did obtain that with an open world game the resolution would be much lower and the thread would still be full of disgruntled people.
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Yes. There are probably different kinds of tradeoffs that could have been made to get it up to 60fps while maintaining the enemy count and effects. The art style is of course largely arbitrary.
Have they said there will be hundreds? Gameplay video from E3 was more like tens of enemies.
travisbickle
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Thats such a weird concept these days unfortunately.
More Motion blur doesn't work or solve anything, people should stop begging for worse looking games.
You can't make up for 30fps by tossing on excessive motion blur, where did this idiotic notion even come from.
If someone wants to bitch about something they will find a way...if the game was 900p or 720p @ 60fps people would complain about the low res, if the game was 1080p/60fps they would complain about not looking next gen and how disappointing the visuals would be...it's funny because we know that Xbone is not a powerhouse and how the esram is a bottleneck and yet people are still surprised that there are compromises on the Xbone titles.
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Zvonimir Boban
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And how many open world games, as hectic as Sunset Overdrive run at 1080p with a locked 60fps on any console regardless of art style?
Well, it's not really arbitrary. The point being made is you can make more tradeoffs with a cartoonish art style and still have something visually appealing.
I'm guessing that is part of the reason why the new Legend of Zelda has a cel shaded look to it.
Arguing for gameplay in a thread discussing tech and visuals? Yeah, kinda is.
CassidyIzABeast
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I like when people in the thread equate minimal expected standards as console war bullshit.
Our TVs are 1080P and have been for almost a decade. Its the minimum resolution that should be acceptable. Open world games and games with very far draw distances? 1:1 pixel mapping is imperative.
30FPS is just OK... but 30 locked with some sort of motion blur should be the absolute minimal in this day and age. 60 is obviously exponentially better, but very few will complain about 30 if a game sucks you in otherwise.
If the game is under resolution and dropping to the 20s with dips to the teens; the game should be skewered. Ain't nobody got time for that shit, scale back your blurry slideshow to meet the console specs and offer a pleasant experience.
Our TVs are 1080P and have been for almost a decade. Its the minimum resolution that should be acceptable. Open world games and games with very far draw distances? 1:1 pixel mapping is imperative.
30FPS is just OK... but 30 locked with some sort of motion blur should be the absolute minimal in this day and age. 60 is obviously exponentially better, but very few will complain about 30 if a game sucks you in otherwise.
If the game is under resolution and dropping to the 20s with dips to the teens; the game should be skewered. Ain't nobody got time for that shit, scale back your blurry slideshow to meet the console specs and offer a pleasant experience.
Seismic response
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They tweeted it last month that it was the goal to have near 100 enemies on screen. Which does point to a priority for them.
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