Exactly what is bullshit about it?
Even if it is the concept is still true, the jump from sub HD to 720p is more noticable than a jump from 720 to 1080p etc.
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Sunset Overdrive: 900p/30fps
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Exactly what is bullshit about it?
Even if it is the concept is still true, the jump from sub HD to 720p is more noticable than a jump from 720 to 1080p etc.
FrankieMcGuire
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Pgr 3 has way better textures (WAY better), so much more polygons, effects , etc...
Humpernator
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wow.... 900p30? I imagined it would be 1080p30 but dayyumm. The power of the cloud must have got it to 900p from 720p.
Miles Quaritch
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Splatoon is a good looking game though and the character is fully customisable, so that's not really a problem.
digoutyoursoul
Member
The biggest voices have no intentions of buying it anyway
I guess it matters the most. But I have to admit, if you have a 55 inch HDTV (or bigger), starting to get harder and harder to play these sub-hd resolutions on them. But 900p still looks great. I mean Ryse IMO was the best looking game at launch.
I'm more concerned about the 30 FPS being locked.
Miles Quaritch
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Again, I'm not suggesting it doesn't looks better. I am merely saying that it doesn't looks miles better. PGR2 was a great looking game and held its own against PGR3.
LilWayneSuckz
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I'm okay with this since it's an exclusive. As long as the frame rate is steady, it will still look gorgeous in motion
Are you serious? I simply can't make posts based on how I feel? Every one of my posts must speak for all of the gamers of the world?
And no, my post didn't suggest that it can't be seem by most gamers; YOU were the one to take it that way. What is wrong with some of you guys? Unbelievable....
skyfinch
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Crazy how this thread is already twice a large as...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834623&highlight=sunset+overdrive
....and that thread was started tuesday.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=834623&highlight=sunset+overdrive
....and that thread was started tuesday.
No it's not debunked. Yes it's often used improperly.
Dictator93
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100% debunked crap, yes.
Surprised anyone would even dare posting it to be honest without massive sarcasm.
An improperly made example is debunked. Not necesaarily just used improperly. All that example shows is how a model designed for X polygons does not look better unless use the extra polygons to extrude faces.
It proves a moot point, and not the one that it is aiming to do.
digoutyoursoul
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That should tell you everything
TheSlySoul
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Not surprising, this has been the standard for a long time.
Backfoggen
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Whilst the image is terrible (6000 tris is obviously the source model, so increasing the count won't magically add detail), the idea is still sound. It's a lot easier to notice improvements when there are far more flaws to be improved upon.
Daytona USA came two years after Virtua Racing. Scud Race came two years after Daytona USA. The perceivable differences in graphics over those four years absolutely obliterates the perceivable jumps over the last decade, mostly because what we're attempting to display already looks reasonably close to its target, unlike back in the day when you had 15 polygons to make a face with.
What part of this doesn't apply to games today?
The thirst for 1080p is strong....
Miles Quaritch
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To be fair, the threads before E3 were pretty large. That thread needs to be bumped though, the footage is incredible. Really fantastic stuff.
Saint Gregory
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I'm hoping that this shapes up well enough to finally sell me an XB1 but I'm not liking this trend of developers choosing 30 fps over lowering the res to 720P or sacrificing some eye candy.
As much as I tried not to let it the framerate issues lowered my enjoyment of Second Son and I'd bet it would do the same in a game like this.
As much as I tried not to let it the framerate issues lowered my enjoyment of Second Son and I'd bet it would do the same in a game like this.
You can't see that the 60000 poly example is bs? It's clearly just smoothed.
Meh, okay then.
The point still stands though, even in the bottom set of three the improvement from 2000-20000 isn't as great as from 200-2000
velociraptor
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Same issue with R&C. It really does look beautiful and it runs at 60FPS but it looks blurry.
Dictator93
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Assuming we are only talking about polygons. Yes, to "sufficiently" render a human torso, the jump from 200 to 2000 polygons brings us to a more reasonable threeshold of difference, than that of 2000 to 20000.
But if you use that magnitude of difference and apply it to other areas to increase believability in graphics, like shading or animation, then the difference becomes extremely stark.
What applies to polygons, does not apply elsewhere.
While you may see a "diminishing returns of detail in one area", that does not translate everywhere. We have light years to advance in terms of physicality, animation, and shading (lighting) in our games.
Oh, I completely agree that we still have massive areas to improve when it comes to graphical fidelity. However diminishing returns is still one of the main reasons that the jump from OG to 360 is greater than 360 to X1.
Pankratous
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That's a shame.
Developers like Insomniac deserve to be on Playstation so they can fully bring their art to its highest potential. They made a mistake.
Developers like Insomniac deserve to be on Playstation so they can fully bring their art to its highest potential. They made a mistake.
what
Hah, wow.
InFamousRaiden
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oh please... that's is like 5 years on so called "HD CONSOLES"
Dictator93
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Also that fact that the style of rendering from OG xbox to 360 saw a massive shift in the graphics piple line.
From fixed function units (with liomited programmable pixel shaders) to Fully programmable general shaders enabled a lot of the advances you see between the two gens. This on top of an incredibly large jump in over all processing power.
It does not help that the programmability of the X1 GPU is extremely limited by its relatively lackluster jump in power in comparison to the xbox 360.
Arguing the power card "for best looking experience" regarding consoles is shooting yourself in the foot.
skyfinch
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Holy fucking shit.
7DollarHagane
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We will see. They realized with link between worlds that frame rate matters and a lot of their first party games have been hitting 60.
digoutyoursoul
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Ironic considering they made some of their most popular games/franchises on the PS2...
Wonderful posts in this thread.
Nvm, this is a joke/troll of somekind
Louis Cyphre
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That's because you have people like this in it;
As opposed to the other one which is likely aimed at people who are actually interested in the game. This thread has gone to new lows.
Pankratous
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I don't understand what you are all so surprised about. Insomniac make great games, but has unfortunately in this case has been hindered by weak hardware. If you were Insomniac, you'd want your art to shine as brightly as possible, which in this case it cannot.
Canis lupus
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Miles Quaritch
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They probably wanted some actual marketing of their game for once...
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Well, it still going to be fun so I'll take the compromise.
Don't. Don't say this bullshit, please. The difference of pixel number it's vastly more. This non sense needs to end from awhile.
Ugh. Also love how people are posting UC in the thread now. lol
So they shouldn't have made (their great) games on the PS2 then?
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