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Super Mario 3D World still locked to 8 way movement
- Thread starter CrunchinJelly
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Same type of people who get angry at review scores for games that aren't out yet, and they haven't played.
Calamari41
41 > 38
This is fine. Think back, people. In the 2D sections of the Mario Galaxy games, if you weren't holding left or right at the exact perfect angle, you would run at a slight tilt toward or away from the screen, thus slowing you way down. That shit got old fast, and this game will invariably have a lot more pure 2D sections.
I think this is what most people (me included) mean when they say they wanted more open levels and just couldn't figure out how to articulate it, which is why we included the Galaxy games in that argument despite their relative linearity. You absolutely nailed it.
EmCeeGramr
Member
The lionization of Sunshine as a paradigm shift equal to 64 and Galaxy over the last few days has become hilarious, and I say this as someone who loved Sunshine more than Mario 64.
Do people not remember the furor back when the screenshots for that game were revealed? People said it was Mario 64-2, that it was a disappointment, that it was ugly, that basing the game around one theme was lazy, that water packs were awful and would dumb down the game and weren't a real innovation.
Do people not remember the furor back when the screenshots for that game were revealed? People said it was Mario 64-2, that it was a disappointment, that it was ugly, that basing the game around one theme was lazy, that water packs were awful and would dumb down the game and weren't a real innovation.
Video is up! Check out that less-than-full-analog-but-definitely-not-8-way movement!
Approximately, yeah. There's at least one diagonal in between each of the main 8 directions, though they seem to be relatively narrow compared to the others.
Approximately, yeah. There's at least one diagonal in between each of the main 8 directions, though they seem to be relatively narrow compared to the others.
When was the last time some of you played Galaxy? Because it also "favours" 8-degree movement.
When Mario is running full speed he will lock pretty readily into into one of the 8 directions. Each of those directions can then be nudged off-course, but you have to really overcompensate... the thing definitely favours locking to those 8 directions specifically rather than providing true, unweighted "full analog".
When I first realized this, I was so startled I spent a good ten minutes just moving Mario around trying to figure out exactly what the game was doing. I think, combined with how the level design is aligned (also primarily in 8 degrees), it's a big part of the unnoticible behind-the-scenes voodoo that makes the platforming is so tight in those games.
When Mario is running full speed he will lock pretty readily into into one of the 8 directions. Each of those directions can then be nudged off-course, but you have to really overcompensate... the thing definitely favours locking to those 8 directions specifically rather than providing true, unweighted "full analog".
When I first realized this, I was so startled I spent a good ten minutes just moving Mario around trying to figure out exactly what the game was doing. I think, combined with how the level design is aligned (also primarily in 8 degrees), it's a big part of the unnoticible behind-the-scenes voodoo that makes the platforming is so tight in those games.
There's still room for plenty of new gameplay mechanics we have never seen in a 3D Mario game. They've already given us four characters with individual abilities. & catsuits.
Good Lord, calm yourself.
Hmm, I do see it, but can you face all 16 ways if you are standing still? Gonna try it.
Graphics Horse
Member
Like I said, it depends on your location. Some places it's obviously not 8-way, since you can run in a straight line in more than 8 directions.
linko9
Member
The levels are designed for that kind of movement, so I think it's fine. I'd rather have full 360 degree movement, but clearly they're going for something that blends 2D and 3D mario as they did with 3D land, so in that context the 8-way movement is best for fitting the level design.
Do you remember the area outside the castle in Mario 64. Climbing the trees? Chasing the butterflies? Perfecting the triple jump, backflip and cartwheel? Not worrying the clock is ticking down and you have to find a clock icon to extend it?
Best Jeff Bridges voice, "I AM OLD!"
DeviousAngel
Member
Holy mother of... So much overreaction. I didn't even notice this at first when I played 3D Land.
Astral/H3X
Member
All I can think is that somewhere, someone at EAD is laughing his ass off that they finally found an excuse to say theyve got Peach into a catsuit.
DukeTogo1300
Member
It really helped in 3D Land with small platforms at odd angles. It works for the design because other than those slight angle variations the gameplay is fixed to a set camera angle. That wasn't the case with Galaxy.
so true. Its weird to see some nintendo fans shit talking the galaxy games to make the new 3d mario look better.
OK, tried to face one of the in between diagonals, and it seems hard to face the direction, but it is more clear when you are changing to another direction, but yea, it is 16-way and not 8-way.
While I don't agree with people calling 3D World shit, and then getting up in a fuss about the game using 16-way movement, I wouldn't try to play down the Galaxy games' excellence. They were brilliant, but this can be equally as brilliant. I put 3D Land with Super Mario 64 right behind the Galaxy games, so 3D World excites me.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
I don't think anyone is shit talking the Galaxy games, just saying they aren't the 64-style open world games people seem to think they are. And they're incredible games because of that. 3D World looks much closer to the Galaxy games than the Galaxy games were to 64.
Graphics Horse
Member
If you try it at the beginning of W2-1, it might be even less restrictive than 16. Try it on the bridges of W6-1, and I think it goes to 8-way.
fart town usa
Gold Member
Noticed it slightly but not in a bad way in 3D Land.
3D World is going to be ABAP.
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Seems that some people aren't aware,
The '3D' In 'Land/World' signify their difference. They play different than Mario 64 type games and New Super Mario games. The controls are designed in a specific fashion to take advantage of the side scrolling/open world fusion of the game.
3D World is going to be ABAP.
Edit-
Seems that some people aren't aware,
The '3D' In 'Land/World' signify their difference. They play different than Mario 64 type games and New Super Mario games. The controls are designed in a specific fashion to take advantage of the side scrolling/open world fusion of the game.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Most of my friends and I skipped Sunshine altogether for some of those and other reasons.
The best posts are the ones along the lines of "Sure, Sunshine wasn't great, but at least it was innovative and fresh!"
Thank you. I couldn't quite put it into words but you summed it up perfectly.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Well, people don't have good memories, and should ask for Super Mario Sunshine open-world levels instead, because they exist. CATSUIT.
fart town usa
Gold Member
Survival Of The Fittest
Banned
Really hope there's more to this game than "lol Mario's in a catsuit $60 please"
Carpe Libertatem
Member
I think this is a sales decision. I mean people say that SMG and SMG2 are the greatest Mario games ever, but look at the sales numbers. NSMB outsold the crap out of SMG. Casuals clearly have trouble with the very free roaming 3D Mario games.
I think Nintendo is trying to find this balance with 3D Mario to get the casuals away from just the 2D style.
I think Nintendo is trying to find this balance with 3D Mario to get the casuals away from just the 2D style.
catstronaut
Member
I never even noticed this in 3D Land, so I'm not hugely concerned.
It won't be anything like NSMBU, if that's what you're referring to, rest assured.
StreetsAhead
Member
I believe you can see her in one of the GameXplain videos. Her dress is white.
I love GAF.
Anyway, this just seems so regressive. I mean, Super Mario 64 defined control in full-3D games. Like GTA's Dan Houser said recently, pretty much every 3D game is influenced by Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Of all the shit to complain about in this game...this aint one of em...
I used to agree with that until I played Kid Icarus Uprising
I used to agree with that until I played Kid Icarus Uprising
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The people have spoken and they want half-way house of 3D Mario-that's-2D Mario
Has ANY Mario game benefited from having a timer?
You would have a point if they didn't give you 500 seconds, which is 8 minutes and 20 seconds and I can't think of many levels in all of the Mario games that would take up to 8 minutes to finish.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Mario seconds aren't full seconds. That would be closer to 5 minutes.
Honestly, I'm really excited about this game, but the timer is one Mario convention that should probably die. I didn't like it in Super Mario Bros, and I like it even less in games like NSMB and 3D Land because it works against searching for things like star coins.
Oh, did not know that.
To be fair, in both this game and 3D Land, you can find the timer things that increase the amount of time.
Personally, I've never had a problem with timers and I always search for Star Coins or whatever the collectible stuff is. I can't really empathize with those who dislike timers like they have in Mario, unless it is those ones where you have only 30 seconds at the start and then you have to collect those time stuff to increase time, I can see how that is annoying.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Super Mario 3D Blast.
I'm ok with this.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
There have been multiple instances in the NSMB games where I'll have to exit to the map or just rush to the goal and re-select the stage because I was running low on time while searching or dicking around. It's stupid. The timer is supposedly there to keep you moving along faster, but it has the ironic side effect of wasting your time with situations like this.
I only like it when it's specifically set low to force you to speedrun, because those levels are the only ones that feel like they're designed with a time limit in mind.
linko9
Member
Just watched Giant Bomb's Day 2 video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1F87M3oiOQ
Brad says it's not locked to 8 ways but you're sort of guided or snapped into the 8 way movement. Sounds just like 3D land, if memory serves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1F87M3oiOQ
Brad says it's not locked to 8 ways but you're sort of guided or snapped into the 8 way movement. Sounds just like 3D land, if memory serves.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I think this pretty much nails my thoughts, unfortunately.
It's just so disappointing to see a proper 3D Mario console game like this.