The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Four stage worlds IIRC, anyone know if its more?
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Super Mario Maker e3 2015 trailer
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Four stage worlds IIRC, anyone know if its more?
biggersmaller
Banned
Yes! Please let us know. I'm guessing that since you can apparently switch the look on the fly, there's a single engine. Hopefully the mechanics are as great as the looks.
CoconutTank
Member
Didn't see anyone make note of this, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwO09vJAPDs&t=38s
It looks like the spin jump from SMW is not SMW-exclusive?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwO09vJAPDs&t=38s
It looks like the spin jump from SMW is not SMW-exclusive?
strangedopamine
Member
NSMBWii and NSMBU have the spin jump as well so that makes sense.
CoconutTank
Member
No, those are different. Those spin jumps (twirls?) give you more air time, but they don't make you any more durable. This spin jump lets you bounce off of enemies that you normally wouldn't even be able to land on.
If you it shake while on the ground you actually do a SMW style spin jump in NSMBW and NSMBU.
CoconutTank
Member
Oh right... but that spin jump doesn't let you bounce off of Thwomps and Piranha Plants in the "New" series right?
Sorry to belabor the point. I thought it might look like certain moves aren't locked to specific series.
That is correct. They probably gave it SMW's properties because it's completely pointless in NSMB apart from the rare occasion where you might want to shoot fire or ice balls in both directions or you use it with a propeller helmet or super accorn or to activate a stage gimmick. Also probably to reduce confusion between 2 visually identical moves. I'm going to guess the NSMBU version still doesn't break blocks, though.
B
bomb
Unconfirmed Member
I wonder if we are underestimating how difficult it is going to be to continually switching between the physics of all four of these games especially when most of the maps are going to be well above average difficulty.
We've yet to see what that frog icon does right?
With all the Mario Paint connections that's the odd one, since the original icon was for a sample tune in the music maker, a feature they claimed a while back wasn't coming to Super Mario Maker. It's just odd that demo builds from the show floor that I have seen seemed to have removed this icon as if it were hiding something important that they want to reveal later.
With all the Mario Paint connections that's the odd one, since the original icon was for a sample tune in the music maker, a feature they claimed a while back wasn't coming to Super Mario Maker. It's just odd that demo builds from the show floor that I have seen seemed to have removed this icon as if it were hiding something important that they want to reveal later.
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
Really looking forward to this! 
This is like the coin challenge levels from NSMB2 on acid.
Hopefully we'll get a strong and creative community for it here on gaf as well! Give me your worst!
This is like the coin challenge levels from NSMB2 on acid. Hopefully we'll get a strong and creative community for it here on gaf as well! Give me your worst!
Sir_Crocodile
Member
It's a good lineup.
Hopefully we'll get dlc for desert, ice, sky, forest, tank and battleship at some point. The last two should be pretty easy as a lot of the assets have already been done for the doomship.
Any word on whether we can have a screen where you go off the end on the left side and appear on the right side and vise-versa? I'd really like to be able to recreate that amazing pipe room level from SMB3...
In the Treehouse presentation it was nice to get more info on creating the levels for NWC, though I would've wanted to see the original last level they were showing when they got interrupted by Miyamoto and Tezuka coming on stage. But nice to see that those 4 levels will be included in the final game (although they would've been re-created there anyway).
you won't ! 8 bit amiibo only.
Forensic Scene
Member
looks incredibly dope.
mostly !
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
The awesome thing is: At the Treehouse Event they even showed an Automatic Mario level, so doing stuff like this is actually possible!
This makes me so happy. Nintendo really made the perfect Mario Level Creation tool with this and I will enjoy every minute of it.
Do you have sources for that? Because I didn't hear them say anything about amiibo characters being restricted to 8-bit Mario only.
schlongdog
Banned
Any gameplay videos from the floor or the Treehouse yet?
It's not Retro's Metroid Prime.
All evidence(images) points to not.Simple question: can we actually do slopes?
If not, the idea you can remake levels from any game is even more false.
DrROBschiz
Member
Notor!ousG
Member
The only thing I'm afraid of is 99% of user-created levels will be extremely difficult or complete chaos filled with enemies, impossible jumps, ...
I just hope there will be people who are going to make some quality levels or worlds too. Something with a nice design and thought.
I just hope there will be people who are going to make some quality levels or worlds too. Something with a nice design and thought.
Simbabbad
Member
That's what I thought, but it's weird everybody seems to be missing the fact the game hasn't got slopes (at least from what we know).
I don't really mind, but still, it's a pretty important fact.
You know, everybody keeps saying that, but I think it'll be the exact opposite, there will be tons of very easy levels.
The game asks you to beat your own level, like Pushmo/Fallblox/Stretchmo and Mario vs. D.K.: Tipping Stars, and the HUGE majority of user levels in those games are very easy, a lot are even incredibly obvious and it's tough to find challenge online in those games (and "interesting challenge" is even more true).
What percentage of players are really good? Not that much I'd guess, and that percentage won't necessarily design that much more levels than the average player.
We think there will be tons of very hard levels because that's what ROM hacks generally are, but the people who make ROM hacks belong to a very, very small and specific demographic. Here, anybody can make levels.
So I guess there will be pixel perfect (annoying) "got you" levels, but not that much, and actually hard levels would be pretty rare. Most people can't deal with "complete chaos filled with enemies, impossible jumps" levels.
Notor!ousG
Member
There are a few reasons why I believe so.
Levels in Tipping Stars are easy because the game encourages it. You need alot of stars to unlock everything in the workshop.
Secondly, when you look at the NWC and the Treehouse/trailers from Nintendo, they try to encourage people to do crazy stuff with it.
Maybe the US demographic is different and Nintendo is catering to that audience, I don't know.
I can't speak to Tipping Stars as I haven't played it but the reason Pushmo has so many easy/sloppy user-generated levels is because most people focus on just drawing pixel art in the editor and then working backwards to turn it into a "puzzle".
It's not like that sentiment hasn't carried over to Mario Maker, either--the bulk of the discussion around this title amounts to "yeah but will I be able to make a 1:1 remake of gimmick x from game y?"
It's not like that sentiment hasn't carried over to Mario Maker, either--the bulk of the discussion around this title amounts to "yeah but will I be able to make a 1:1 remake of gimmick x from game y?"
Notor!ousG
Member
otaku-asia
Member
Looks great. I'm sure people will come up with cool ideas. However unfortunately not my cup of tea. Looks like Xenoblade Chronicles will be my only Wii U purchase this year.
In fairness, that's kinda what half of Pushmo is, but there are definitely better user created ones than others. I used to spend days at a time trying to turn sprites into a compelling challenging puzzle.
For SMM, I really want to create some Metroid-like dungeons, where power-ups are rare, with lots of separate rooms and doors, and backtracking here and there... full of atmosphere.
ErrorMacro
Member
looks amazing. A simple twist for this is a level that you don't need to move mario, but need to shot fireballs or something similar to clear obstacles and allow mario to progress safely.
Simbabbad
Member
They encourage you to do crazy stuff in Pushmo/Crashmo/Stretchmo, and the huge majority of levels are easy. I mean obvious easy, like a teleport from the start to the end, because most people don't have the skill to beat something complicated.
Also, crazy!=difficult. Automatic levels are crazy but you win them by not touching the controller. Gigantic pixel art stuff is crazy but isn't about challenge. I expect tons of that (and I hate it, yet they generally get good grades)... and "good fun", easy levels too.
I do my levels in Pushmo/Stretchmo exactly like this, by copying pixel art I like and I find interesting, yet my levels aren't generally easy and certainly not obvious. That's because I spend a lot of time trying to solve them as they are before adding stuff like switches or teleports or extra items if they can't be solved as they are, and I try making it as complex as I can.
There is a good chance levels in Super Mario Maker will be the same, people will make stuff they find fun or pretty, but not bother investing time to try again and again and again to beat their own levels, they'd rather remove an obstacle they can't go through than add more.
Also, there is the score factor. Easy levels generally get better grades, because people upvote a level they just beat, but don't vote at all or downvote a level they couldn't complete.
I strongly doubt the majority of levels will be hard (and it's not a problem in itself).
It seems like you can use pipes to move from room to room.
This level looks pretty dope. Finally one that doesn't seem to try and put as much ridiculous stuff in it as possible. Could be a bit longer though, but a nice start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO7AG9KHYco
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Has there been any mention of my boy yet?
Make a stage with him in it, but you are also carrying a key the whole time, so you are also being chased by a Phantos.
Then, make it a stage with conveyer belts so you can't simply drop the key without losing it. It would be the most terrifying stage ever.