Vampirolol
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I think that they share the same physics but have esclusive moves like wall jump and the ability to throw koopa shells.
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Super Mario Maker physics debate thread of Mario moving back.... and to the left.
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Nope. SMW plays like SMW and NSMB plays like NSMB.
Technically, you're not supposed to do that, but there's nothing stopping someone from being a dick like that.
If you don't trust the online system to find good levels, there's still a code for each level created, and players can share those codes with each other to try out each other's levels.
From the IGN article:
You'll be able to come to the GAF thread for this game and get lots of codes for good GAF-made levels.
Entryhazard
Banned
Actually, the bouncing on enemies is higher than the original SMB1
nobodyshero
Banned
Has anyone told Jeff Gerstmann? He will want to know this
You have to be able to beat a level in order to upload it. So you won't be putting areas that require wall jumps in a SMW course, because you'll have to beat it in that style before uploading it online.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Yet can Mario bounce high enough to escape from his sins?
Yeah, I just realized that a minute ago, haha.
You need to complete a stage to upload it and they're locked to a single game unless you're in the edit mode. So it is impossible to make a SMB3 stage that requires wall jumps.
If you don't trust the online system to find good levels, there's still a code for each level created, and players can share those codes with each other to try out each other's levels.
From the IGN article:
You'll be able to come to the GAF thread for this game and get lots of codes for good GAF-made levels.
Feels like we need a thread to rundown all of Mario Makers features in one place because I didn't know there will be character code things to share with others.
SatoAilDarko
Member
Any idea on the powerup situation? It would be a great way to eexpand the way levels can be approached.
The only one I know of other than the standard fire flower and Star are a single flight a bit for the latter three games, Racoon, Cape and Propeller.
I would hope you also get the Frog and Tanooki Suit. But most of all I'm interested in the NSMBU powerups like Squirrel, Ice, Penguin. Mini Mario would allow for some amazing level design. Then there's the baby Yoshi's.
Honestly I really want NSMBU's power ups.
The only one I know of other than the standard fire flower and Star are a single flight a bit for the latter three games, Racoon, Cape and Propeller.
I would hope you also get the Frog and Tanooki Suit. But most of all I'm interested in the NSMBU powerups like Squirrel, Ice, Penguin. Mini Mario would allow for some amazing level design. Then there's the baby Yoshi's.
Honestly I really want NSMBU's power ups.
JinjoUnchained
Member
I believe that extra boost first happened in the Japanese SMB2, which is essentially a sadistically hard SMB1 map pack. So, in that sense, the boost is a part of SMB1 style.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
H.O.L.Y. . .F.U.C.K.
Fusion Pizza
Member
WOW.
I was interested before hearing about this, but now I'm 100% sold.
I'm guessing there will be a bundle when this releases?
I was interested before hearing about this, but now I'm 100% sold.
I'm guessing there will be a bundle when this releases?
br0ken_shad0w
Member
Seconded. It may be just the nostalgia talking, but it controls so nice.
I just tried it and super jump doesn't exist. SMB3 was the first one.
Super Mario World felt fucking perfect at the Best Buy demo. My only worry is that there won't be power-ups from each of the old games, but those probably were just out for the demo. SMW better have every color Yoshi and the Cape, SMB3 needs all of its power-ups, and hopefully NSMB style will have every power up from the NSMB series, especially the koopa shell. How Penguin returned in later games but not the Koopa Shell is beyond me.
SodiumBenzoate
Member
You'll be able to come to the GAF thread for this game and get lots of codes for good GAF-made levels.
This is a great GAF Gold idea, fellas! Exclusive levels!
Sorry, Plebs.
JinjoUnchained
Member
Oh yeah? I could have sworn that jumping off a flying Koopa (for instance) in Japanese SMB 2 gave you an extra boost, unlike the original game. It was one of the only changes from the original game, besides poison mushrooms, different Luigi physics, and wind levels. But I'm not doubting you if you tried it right now.
No, you're right. Lost Levels has the high jump off enemies, not SMB1.
I am fairly certain this is not true.
I analyzed footage of SMW style levels and they clearly do not have SMW physics. It appears all styles have the same physics but Mario has different abilities and enemies have different characteristics in each one. A lot of people in here are confusing abilities with physics.
I analyzed footage of SMW style levels and they clearly do not have SMW physics. It appears all styles have the same physics but Mario has different abilities and enemies have different characteristics in each one. A lot of people in here are confusing abilities with physics.
Askherserenity
Member
Jeff already confirmed this on Giantbomb two days ago, I think. I thought everyone knew this already.
But yes, it's great that it has this feature.
But yes, it's great that it has this feature.
I am fairly certain this is not true.
I analyzed footage of SMW style levels and they clearly do not have SMW physics. It appears all styles have the same physics but Mario has different abilities and enemies have different characteristics in each one.
I played it, yo. Trust me, you definitely notice a significant change when you switch between game styles. And just to make sure I wasn't imagining it, the Nintendo employee at the booth said the same thing.
SuperAngelo64
Banned
Bleh, I was kind of hoping you could toggle wall jumps on or off for the older themes.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Was kind of thinking the same thing watching the Treehouse video. All the different themes seem to have the same physics, looks like they tried to find a balance between them.
And call me crazy but I think SMW Mario has too much aerial maneuverability. It's one of the reasons the game was too easy.
You probably imagined it. The footage doesn't lie, man. Random Nintendo employee probably confused physics with abilities like most people in this thread are. Mario clearly does not have the air maneuverability he should have in SMW.
Subhuman Filth
Member
Thank God. It still seems strange that such an important detail was left unexplained until now.
How dare you question my honor, SIR.
I have never led gaf astray.
Youtube clips and gifs are very misleading. You have to see it in real time. If you see a youtube video of Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl for example, they look almost identical as well. But once you actually play them, the difference becomes clear.
Your second gif in particular doesn't seem to prove much. It appears that the guy playing it made a quick turn while in the air and thus didn't jump as high as he probably could have.
I can stop on a dime in SMW. I can't do that in NSMB. And I could stop on a dime in the SMW version of SMM. Again, can't do that in the NSMB version of SMM. It's the real deal, homeslice.
SporeCrawler
Member
So every level will have four completely different ways to play.... hype
The gifs aren't comparing jump height. They are comparing Mario's ability to turn in the air. In SMW if you jumped right and then changed direction Mario would fly left as in gif 3. Mario does not do that in Mario Maker. You can clearly see player's thumb in the Mario Maker gif so you know they aren't letting go of the stick. It's more consistent with NSMB. This is not misleading at all. This not SMW physics.
SinCityAssassin
Member
Was there any swag at the best buy event?
How do you do it? I just tried it a few different ways over the first three stages and got nothing while I can do it 99.9% of the time in everything from SMB3 onwards.
JinjoUnchained
Member
Yup, a pretty sweet Super Mario Bros 30th anniversary square button. They also gave out a flier with an offer to get the complete 7 piece button set if you preorder two games + a QR Code for Miyamoto Mii in your Mii Plaza. Pretty good haul overall.
Okay, even if it's comparing Mario's ability to turn in the air, it's still inaccurate. And that gif is very short, and makes it hard to actually see what's going on.
Here's how the convo went when I spoke to the Nintendo employee:
Me: Do the controls and physics change depending on the game style?
Him: No they're all the same for each game. If you press "B" Mario jumps, "Y" makes Mario ru...
Me: No, sorry I meant the physics, like the way Mario actually moves.
Him: Oh, that's what you meant! In that case, yes, it all changes depending on the game.
Of course, not that this matters much because I actually, you know, played the fricken game for myself!
Either I got super lucky and managed to use the one station that actually perfectly replicated SMW's physics, or my precision somehow increased 300% when I switched between NMSB and SMW.
Which one seems more likely?
Emperor Bohe
Member
I hope that they eventually add SMB2USA physics and item throwing
It's not misleading. It's 3 videos of Mario doing the exact same thing. If the physics were SMW physics Mario would act like he does in SMW, but he does not. It's solid evidence against hearsay.
Your rep did not lie. You asked if the way he moves changed and he most likely thought "Yeah, he can wall jump in one but not the others, etc."
The most likely thing is that you believe you were 300% more precise through a placebo effect because I doubt you played a different demo from everyone else.