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[AzVal]

SOMEONE TEST FALCON'S DASH GRAB AND ALL OF SHULK RIGHT NOW

If some improvement was done to shulk its still not enough, I cant tell for sure if he was changed

 

[Jrs3000]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO. You can't go from D+A to Shadow sneak to skip the recovery with greninja anymore. They pretty much killed that move now.

 

[Kangi]

Double PK thunder 2 for recover with Ness still works. :3

Oh, test Ness' downthrow on Mr. Game & Watch. Does it do full damage now, or is it still bugged where the fire portion of it doesn't trigger?

 

[Kyzon]

Robin's Thoron Charge doesn't refresh your jump anymore

I'm so sad.

 

[Razzle Dazzle]

Bomb cancelling with Link n Tink was removed.

That really hurts

 

[FSLink]

Oh, test Ness' downthrow on Mr. Game & Watch. Does it do full damage now, or is it still bugged where the fire portion of it doesn't trigger?

Does 7%, so full damage now.

 

[Regulus Tera]

Robin's Thoron Charge doesn't refresh your jump anymore

I'm so sad.

 

[Kangi]

Does 7%, so full damage now.

Isn't it supposed to do 9%?

 

[FSLink]

Isn't it supposed to do 9%?

Hm, does 7% against everyone. :/

 

[Tansut]

Oh man, there's so much more stability, you guys.

 

[Kangi]

Hm, does 7% against everyone.

Worst patch confirmed.

Don't hurt my Ness Nintendo let my main have his day in the sun for once.

 

[Zevenberge]

Bomb cancelling with Link n Tink was removed.

That really hurts

Bomb cancelling? As in, your bombs now hurt you even if you hit an opponent directly?

 

[HypnoDarkrai]

Tried absorbing Thunder from ally Pikachu with Mr. G & W and it didn't work.

 

[SuperChoco]

Can't check now, have the Pits been differentiated in any way?

 

[Razzle Dazzle]

Bomb cancelling? As in, your bombs now hurt you even if you hit an opponent directly?

Nah. With Tink, Link n Peach you could throw out a bomb, or turnip, (as long as you had it plucked already) immediately once landing on the ground from the air. This would cancel any animation you already used. For example you could arrow into instant bomb throw.

 

[FSLink]

Double tested Ness's down throw with my JPN 1.03

Against Game and Watch (1.03): 4%
Against Game and Watch (1.04): 7%
Against Mario (1.03): 9%
Against Mario (1.04): 7%

Grab release against Wario to have guaranteed KO Punch with Little Mac doesn't work anymore it seems. Wario is released too far away.


Ness/Rosalina glitchy absorb against Corneria Arwings still works.

 

[Hatchtag]

Double tested Ness's down throw with my JPN 1.03

Against Game and Watch (1.03): 4%
Against Game and Watch (1.04): 7%
Against Mario (1.03): 9%
Against Mario (1.04): 7%

Grab release against Wario to have guaranteed KO Punch with Little Mac doesn't work anymore it seems. Wario is released too far away.

and now Wario goes back to having a strongly favorable matchup against Little Mac.

 

[Kangi]

Double tested Ness's down throw with my JPN 1.03

Against Game and Watch (1.03): 4%
Against Game and Watch (1.04): 7%
Against Mario (1.03): 9%
Against Mario (1.04): 7%

I wonder if they changed his backthrow scaling with it. Downthrow's an odd thing to nerf, unless they were just concerned with how much damage a combo racks up.

 

[PreyingShark]

Double tested Ness's down throw with my JPN 1.03

Against Game and Watch (1.03): 4%
Against Game and Watch (1.04): 7%
Against Mario (1.03): 9%
Against Mario (1.04): 7%

Grab release against Wario to have guaranteed KO Punch with Little Mac doesn't work anymore it seems. Wario is released too far away.

They... they nerfed Ness? Oh dear... oh dear.

Maybe they buffed some things but that dthrow nerf is just

 

[random25]

Double tested Ness's down throw with my JPN 1.03

Against Game and Watch (1.03): 4%
Against Game and Watch (1.04): 7%
Against Mario (1.03): 9%
Against Mario (1.04): 7%

Grab release against Wario to have guaranteed KO Punch with Little Mac doesn't work anymore it seems. Wario is released too far away.


Ness/Rosalina glitchy absorb against Corneria Arwings still works.

Guess Wario mains are happy right now

 

[Jrs3000]

Where are the damn patch notes?! Argh.

Pacmans hydrant doesn't stay as long anymore it seems. After 2 bursts it's gone. His grab animation seems to be quicker now.

 

[AlphaDragoon]

If some improvement was done to shulk its still not enough, I cant tell for sure if he was changed

Shulk players are currently testing him, so far it appears he does more damage on most of his attacks in vanilla form as well as in Buster and Speed.

Greninja's Up Smash got nerfed (laggier), as did Sheik's Bouncing Fish (knockback).

 

[Moonlight]

Ness nerfs.

Ness nerfs.

EDIT: Someone check Palu for better tilts!

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

DACUS IS GONE

 

[FSLink]

Tested Ness some more, can't find any other changes as far as knockback/damage goes....

 

[Azure Dream]

Patch 1.0.4: Everything is Worse Now™

 

[PreyingShark]

I can confirm that Yoshi's Up-Smash is pretty much untouched. I have a precise way of testing it.

If anybody wants me to test something I'll need specific damage figures since I don't know jack, ya know?

 

[Hot Coldman]

RIP Bowsercide

 

[Moonlight]

DACUS IS GONE

Whaaaaat?

 

[Kangi]

Tested Ness some more, can't find any other changes as far as knockback/damage goes....

Well, on the bright side, that's one patch in which Ness has specifically been adjusted, and the PKT2 into wall -> PKT2 again hasn't changed.

But please don't go SS64 on Ness again, Nintendo.

DACUS IS GONE

Huh. It's actually not working on Ness on my end. That's... also strange.

 

[FZZ]

WAS YOSHI NERFED?

I AM READY TO FLIP OUT IF SAMURAI DID SUCH A THING

 

[FSLink]

RIP Bowsercide

Still works with Ganondorf. At least testing against a Lv1 CPU lol. In that exchange Ganon wins.

Bowser against Lv1CPU Bowser always dies first in 1.0.4

 

[random25]

RIP Bowsercide

LOL it didn't even end as a sudden death.

 

[NotLiquid]

Can someone test Sonic for changes? Im in class now.

Ness nerfs make me sad but they seem minor and negligible. As long as they dont fuck with his stellar air game.

 

[AlphaDragoon]

Still works with Ganondorf. At least testing against a Lv1 CPU lol

Bowser against Lv1CPU Bowser always dies first in 1.0.4

Almost all of the suicide attacks now kill the character first instead of the opponent. The only one that doesn't is Ganondorf's apparently.

 

[Mendrox]

RIP Bowsercide

Nooo, best troll move ever.

 

[Moonlight]

...so is DACUS in or not?

 

[Dryk]

RIP Bowsercide

It makes you wonder why it was that way to begin with

 

[PreyingShark]

DACUS is in, just to correct the guy earlier.

EDIT: Or not.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

Don't touch my Ness

I can't see for myself right now, but check Jiggly's rollout tech. It's incredibly useful, but I'm afraid it wasn't intentional.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

DACUS is in, just to correct the guy earlier.

Yeah, I've been seeing more people say its harder to do now.

 

[random25]

Anybody checked Megaman, Marth and Lucina for changes?

 

[Anth0ny]

nerfs everywhere, it seems =/

 

[Kangi]

Mega Man's up air appears to be slightly larger. A test between versions on that would be appreciated. Could just be looking for changes where there are none, though, since that'd be a downright bizarre change.

 

[PreyingShark]

Yeah, I've been seeing more people say its harder to do now.

Actually, I think since doing it at a normal pace in 1/4 speed in training isn't working I'm doing it super fast and instead am accidentally just inputting a regular up smash instead of cancelling.

 

[PreyingShark]

Okay yeah, DACUS is in. Tried it with Sheik. MY THUMBS

 

[Jrs3000]

Diddy kong recovery up+B seems to let you go farther with a little charge but it's like you fall the same or slightly faster. Someone tell me they feel the difference also.

 

[Hatchtag]

someone please make sure roll-cancel grabs are in

 

[Oidisco]

Watching a stream looking at the changes, and Luma can still attack while Rosalina is grabbed.
http://www.twitch.tv/clashtournaments

 

[PreyingShark]

someone please make sure roll-cancel grabs are in

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