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SUPERHYPERCUBE cancels Oculus support
- Thread starter FelipeMGM
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Some of us could be killed if Luckey got his way. What's more important than that? People sitting down for the national anthem?
How could I ever give money to someone that at the very best is content with white supremacy?
StrikeNinja24
Banned
California is an At Will Employment state from what I'm reading.
http://www.californialaborlawattorney.com/newsletters/rights-of-at-will-employees-in-california
They could fire anyone for way less.
Ninja Scooter
Member
there are still protections in place even in at will states, political affiliation might be one of them. However there is a difference between some desk jockey at a company revealing he voted for Trump and being fired for it, versus a very public persona (whose job it is to basically be the public face of the company) funding hate speech that might give Facebook more wiggle room in this regard. Might also depend if there are specific clauses in their agreement/contract with Palmer with regards to public image.
No I personally wouldn't, and totally support people taking action against companies with questionable attitudes and business practices.
Edit: I suppose it's fair to condemn a company for knowingly employing racist or otherwise unethical individuals, especially someone so high profile.
Double edit with some context so my first edit makes sense: I had written about trying to separate the individuals awful behaviour from their employers business practices, but who you employ is also part of your business.
Business
Member
It's indeed a really cool game. Sometimes it makes you wish reloading was easier or that you had more ammo but the shooting feels really fantastic.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
I don't think Harmonix can afford to do so. Their one VR project, Rock Band VR, has been in development for nearly a year now, they have a deal with Oculus, and they're just getting by from the looks of things.
I'd be impressed if they did, but I'm not holding my breath.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
This guy is awesome.
Zalusithix
Member
Reloading is fairly easy when you get the hang of it. Handguns in particular are really easy now if you have the alignment and clipping options enabled. Not sure what you mean about ammo though. Larger magazines to reduce how often you have to reload? I mean, you can spawn lock magazines to your "vest" slots so that you're effectively carrying around unlimited ammunition.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The bigger issues of what..... ?
Bigger than who is running our country? Bigger than supporting a racist who has said multiple times that he just wants to nuke countries?
Kid, what do you think politics MEANS?
It 100% does affect you.
It must be nice to prioritize entertainment over the real world.
Wrestlemania
Banned
You can still play it. They can't stop the SteamVR version from working with Rift.
Also - you are not entitled to play everything.
You are not entitled to have developers create games for your platform.
Developers are not obligated to support a platform that associates with a piece of shit who directly funds harassers like GamerGate who made the developers' lives miserable.
Ninja Scooter
Member
If we've learned anything over the last two days it's that apparently there is money to be made in shit posts like these.
Yeah maybe I'm just a bit annoyed that politics is spewing over into something I love my bad.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Yeah man heaven forbid that someone prioritize something important over your ability to play a video game.
I'm glad we agree.
You should consider yourself lucky that "annoyed" is the only negative thing you're experiencing right now.
Perhaps you should reach outside your bubble and consider what it would be like for your entire life to be destroyed. What if every personal detail about you and every single person you love was exposed to the world? Every email? Every text? Every financial transaction?
Lets say you owned your own business. What if every single detail about that business was revealed to the world? Every contract you ever signed, ever contract you ever had others sign? Every one of your customers, every dollar you've ever spent, ever invested, ever earned? Out there in the open?
What if thousands of people were incessantly sending you death threats? What if they were sending your parents death threats? Not vague and unspecific, but very specific. They talk about places you actually go, your home's actual address, and it never ever ends. Months go by, and it never ends. Day in, day out, assholes on the internet forever trying to make you uncomfortable. You can't trust anyone.
Now what if you just found out who helped fund such reprehensible actions? What if you knew a name of who personally was partially responsible for upending your entire life?
Would you want to make that man money? Would you want to contribute to that man's further success? Or would you want to sever all ties with that person?
I am a fan of this guy
did you actually expect Occulus to get every single piece of VR software ever created when making your purchase?
Edit: I'm sorry for the original patronizing tone
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I better not catch any of you who are pissed at Oculus at a Chick fil a! 
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Politics are real life.
YouTube comments disgusting as always... I don't even know what I expected.
I better not catch any of you who are pissed at Oculus at a Chick fil a!
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
Imo there is nothing he can do. He has an amazingly long list of outright lies and this is just so many notches worse. The gall and contempt towards others to lie in an apology for something of this nature is just.. I don't know; insulting, infuriating, hilarious.. Oculus themselves also lied through the hardware from fiasco amongst other things. Together with their approach and policies, they feel like one and the same.
As far as I am concerned there is no coming back from that. There is no trust or belief in them from me.
Are you being serious?
I better not catch any of you who are pissed at Oculus at a Chick fil a!
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
The best thing would be for Pulmer to lose his job and all credibility in the industry (if he hasn't already).
While donating to a good cause would do some good, it would also be done for the wrong reason IMO. For any rich bigot to think they can throw some money at a good cause and all would be forgiven is not how I want this to play out.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
If a rich bigot loses his job, he's still a rich bigot. If he donates lots of money to inner city schools, food for the poor, or even an anti-bullying campaign, that could actually help someone.
Just trying to be constructive.
Yeah man....Agendas are bad for gaming!
Welcome to the real world. Must have been nice spend years in your bubble, but you can now come out and join the people that have been dealing with bs for years.
Ninja Scooter
Member
He's a Trump supporter so sadly yes.
Well I guess the best scenario we can hope for is that he does donate to a good cause but pressure still builds on Facebook to cut all ties to him and can his ass.
I'm all for good causes, but him being basically shunned from the industry, and any influence he could have in it, would also be good in the end.
Thanks and yeah that is sad.
wumster3000
Member
Quote
Member
I watched the devlog.
The Oculus aspect starts around 14:30. I highly recommend listening to Anton's thoughts.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
yes.
Zalusithix
Member
Given the amount of times he's lied or backtracked on things, you couldn't really take any apology (an actual one, not the current psuedo-apology) or denouncement seriously. That would be a start, perhaps, but he'd need to do a lot more to get people to believe him at this point. That's the bed he's made for himself though, so I don't feel bad for him. Actions eventually catch up with a person... His just caught up faster than average.
chrominance
Member
I better not catch any of you who are pissed at Oculus at a Chick fil a!
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
This is actually not a bad question, and I don't know that there are any good answers that don't essentially involve him changing his political activities or outlook. In a lot of ways, the damage has already been done. There's no taking back the millions of dollars he earned in the Facebook buyout, or the hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Oculus Rift Kickstarter. Asking Palmer Luckey to reverse course and pledge support for Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or Jimmy Carter or whatever is not going to happen, and as much as I would want him to, I would rather he not change his political stripes under duress, because he felt like an internet mob won't have it any other way.
Facebook could let Palmer Luckey go, or he could resign. Fine. But ultimately, that's a move that makes it okay in more people's heads to buy Oculus without having it represent anti-Muslim or anti-Hispanic demagoguery; it doesn't change the fact that it exists, and that Palmer Luckey will continue to fund it. It might limit Luckey's future earning potential; on the other hand, it might not, because this is Silicon Valley, and all manner of amoral power-mad billionaires run fiefdoms there and could maybe use someone like Luckey on their team. You're probably not going to know which one, because as soon as he leaves Oculus, all eyes fall off him. It's just the natural course of things; we cannot keep our eye on every ball, and eventually we will all lose track of what happened to Palmer Luckey unless the press keeps an eye on him. If he lays low long enough, even that will stop.
So what's left? Very little that does anything except make you, the potential or current Oculus owner, feel better about having essentially no control over this whole debacle. I can't just return my Oculus Rift. I can, of course, choose not to buy the Oculus Touch, and right now that's my plan. But I still own this device that doesn't do any harm to anyone just sitting here, but nevertheless now represents a political worldview I vehemently disagree with. I could set it on fire; that might make me feel better because this thing is no longer in my household. But it's not only wasteful, it's ultimately meaningless to anyone except me and anyone inclined to take it as a political statement (which it is). I could resell it, maybe make some of my money back. Maybe that too is the best course of action. But at most, that means one less person inclined to give Oculus money because they'll instead give it to you; it doesn't make Palmer Luckey any less able to use his wealth to fund hatred, not right now.
I think a lot of the flailing you see in these threads about people saying they'll no longer support Oculus (and I am absolutely one of those people) is the end result of people seeing an awful thing happen and realizing that their power to change that awful thing is extremely limited. So we resort to acts that, in the end, are symbolic at best. Maybe, if we're really smart about marshaling our forces, we can get a consumer boycott of Oculus happening. The dev boycott is already starting (and to be honest I think that will be much more effective than a consumer boycott). But ultimately, unless it absolutely sinks Oculus, it affects Luckey himself very little. He's already made his millions. He can retreat into obscurity and continue to support people like Trump in secret, and what can we do about it except advocate with our voices in response?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Best sentence in the thread.
Beer Monkey
Member
Free association, right?
Yikes
I mean no one can force you to care about any of this of course, but the way I see it is if I can do something about not supporting garbage human beings then I'll do it.
And now you know what it's like to be a minority in Trump's America
boredandlazy
Member
Now that you've said it, it's amazing to think it took that long for someone to put 2 and 2 together...
Amazing haha
Kawika
Member
There are so many larger issues in this world. We often see bigotry somewhere in a western nation and get really upset but when we hear a half world away a person wasn't called a dirty word but murdered for being who they are, what do we do?
Everyone hates Subway Jerrod for what he did but how many people go where children sex trafficking happens. The amount of anger and organization from our hobby is great but perhaps we should actually demand humane working conditions for those that assemble our gaming boxes and for those that mine the components that are in almost all of our electronic devices.
Palmer Luckey is probably a real piece of work but I can come up with many more reasons why I wouldn't want to support a Facebook platform than some seemingly racist activities. FB will ultimately determine his fate, but I wonder how many people upset about this subject belong to any political action organization or do any leg work to help their beliefs.
You sure got em!