I know politics are a big ticket issue atm and that the group he donated too has apparently done some really bad stuff.
That doesn't necessarily mean at the time he donated he knew they were doing terrible stuff - it's possible they hadn't been known for that stuff, but only him and that company know the truth behind all of this. Everything we've heard is essentially second hand information or one guy taking it a bit lightly.
Here is what I know - none of this has anything to do with my gaming experience. I cannot tell someone where to put their money, nor can I condone them for possibly enacting their right to free speech even if I completely disagree with what and how it's being said.
But none of this to me has anything to do with video games. This is his personal life and possibly his personal beliefs. I may hate them, but he has a right to have them and people can be upset. To me, this is irrelevant to video games, so I cannot seem to find the same anger others have.
If I get a rift; I'm getting it to play games. People here show little remorse for buying electronics made with parts that come from conflict mines, but now we're upset over some donations and possible few shit posts that may have come from a guy at the top of the rift mountain.
I feel like people are always looking for ways to be upset over politics and ignoring the much bigger issues. I do not own a rift and has debated about getting one or getting a vice if and when games reach full potential on them. I just feel like this is much todo about nothing. He can believe and support anything he wants imo unless it's illegal. That's his personal choice. It doesn't affect me or my ability to game.
By common sense, yes, but making what is essentially a anonymous donation to a political group is probably not grounds for firing, but i'm definitely not a lawyer. What has occurred just comes across to me as incredibly tricky to lawfully fire someone for considering Cali's law against firing for political affiliation. If Oculus has no way to fire him for that, coming out and condemning a person who still works for you would be a bad move.
California is an At Will Employment state from what I'm reading.
http://www.californialaborlawattorney.com/newsletters/rights-of-at-will-employees-in-california
They could fire anyone for way less.
Well, big douchebags or bigots at clear sight are always a good start.
Would you happily support "Pharmabro" Martin Shkreli or Mylan's Heather Bresch?
Gun simulator, but it's important to note that it's not a violent game. No killing, etc. Anton has purposely kept the game more in the lines of target shooting and other more silly things. Sure H3VR undoubtedly has fans from the right (and alt-right), but it also has plenty of support from the center and left (including myself). It was certainly a risk doing what he did, but it wasn't going to alienate his entire user base.
On the topic, I'd also like to mention that Anton is probably my favorite VR dev at this point. He's friendly, interacts with the community, and has done damn near weekly updates with video devlogs since the Vive first hit the market. The game has come a long way since those first days, and continues to get better. H3VR isn't for everybody, but if you're interested in guns (and not killing), there's nothing better out there right now.
For the first time ever im on Phil's side. Wonder if any other companies like Harmonix will step out of the ring next.
Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades dev is canceling official Oculus and Touch support for now (Should still work with Touch in Steam VR of course but not "officially"). Really great video of the dev talking about it. Also incredibly fascinating given the context of the game (a hyper real gun simulator). The dev is not unaware of this little twist. He has been quoted in some of the stories, but his entire speech on it is really good.
It's indeed a really cool game. Sometimes it makes you wish reloading was easier or that you had more ammo but the shooting feels really fantastic.
I feel like people are always looking for ways to be upset over politics and ignoring the much bigger issues.
It doesn't affect me or my ability to game.
You can still play it. They can't stop the SteamVR version from working with Rift.This is fucking bullshit! Why should I be penalized for something someone may or may not have done? And what about the thousands of other Rift owners who aren't going to be getting some games now. Fucking bullshit tbh.
This is fucking bullshit! Why should I be penalized for something someone may or may not have done? And what about the thousands of other Rift owners who aren't going to be getting some games now. Fucking bullshit tbh.
This is fucking bullshit! Why should I be penalized for something someone may or may not have done? And what about the thousands of other Rift owners who aren't going to be getting some games now. Fucking bullshit tbh.
You can still play it. They can't stop the SteamVR version from working with Rift.
Also - you are not entitled to play everything.
You are not entitled to have developers create games for your platform.
Developers are not obligated to support a platform that associates with a piece of shit who directly funds harassers like GamerGate who made the developers' lives miserable.
If we've learned anything over the last two days it's that apparently there is money to be made in shit posts like these.
Yeah maybe I'm just a bit annoyed that politics is spewing over into something I love my bad.
Yeah man heaven forbid that someone prioritize something important over your ability to play a video game.
Yeah maybe I'm just a bit annoyed that politics is spewing over into something I love my bad.
Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades dev is canceling official Oculus and Touch support for now (Should still work with Touch in Steam VR of course but not "officially"). Really great video of the dev talking about it. Also incredibly fascinating given the context of the game (a hyper real gun simulator). The dev is not unaware of this little twist. He has been quoted in some of the stories, but his entire speech on it is really good.
did you actually expect Occulus to get every single piece of VR software ever created when making your purchase?This is fucking bullshit! Why should I be penalized for something someone may or may not have done? And what about the thousands of other Rift owners who aren't going to be getting some games now. Fucking bullshit tbh.
Yeah maybe I'm just a bit annoyed that politics is spewing over into something I love my bad.
Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades dev is canceling official Oculus and Touch support for now (Should still work with Touch in Steam VR of course but not "officially"). Really great video of the dev talking about it. Also incredibly fascinating given the context of the game (a hyper real gun simulator). The dev is not unaware of this little twist. He has been quoted in some of the stories, but his entire speech on it is really good.
I better not catch any of you who are pissed at Oculus at a Chick fil a!
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
I'm canceling my support for SuperHyperCube.
I better not catch any of you who are pissed at Oculus at a Chick fil a!
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
Are you being serious?
The best thing would be for Pulmer to lose his job and all credibility in the industry (if he hasn't already).
While donating to a good cause would do some good, it would also be done for the wrong reason IMO. For any rich bigot to think they can throw some money at a good cause and all would be forgiven is not how I want this to play out.
Yeah maybe I'm just a bit annoyed that politics is spewing over into something I love my bad.
Are you being serious?
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If a rich bigot loses his job, he's still a rich bigot. If he donates lots of money to inner city schools, food for the poor, or even an anti-bullying campaign, that could actually help someone.
Just trying to be constructive.
He's a Trump supporter so sadly yes.
Actually, I'm going to buy multiple copies of the game now.I'm canceling my support for SuperHyperCube.
I'm canceling my support for SuperHyperCube.
Want! Can't wait for my PSVR to come in.
I watched the devlog.Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades dev is canceling official Oculus and Touch support for now (Should still work with Touch in Steam VR of course but not "officially"). Really great video of the dev talking about it. Also incredibly fascinating given the context of the game (a hyper real gun simulator). The dev is not unaware of this little twist. He has been quoted in some of the stories, but his entire speech on it is really good.
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of?
yes.
I better not catch any of you who are pissed at Oculus at a Chick fil a!
Seriously though, let's say he doesn't resign/fired or whatever, what else could he do to relieve the situation?
Donate a substantial amount to a good cause?
Apologize and denounce the shitty group he was part of? I don't know.
Sometimes I think firing or resigning is the easy way out. Maybe some good can come out of this.
I think a lot of the flailing you see in these threads about people saying they'll no longer support Oculus (and I am absolutely one of those people) is the end result of people seeing an awful thing happen and realizing that their power to change that awful thing is extremely limited.
I love libertarians. They don't want to impose The Civil Rights act on businesses because the market should get to decide if it doesn't want to support bigotry.
When the market shows it doesn't want support bigotry in both voice and actions "Blargh! people shouldn't be punished for their beliefs!"
Can't have it both ways
I know politics are a big ticket issue atm and that the group he donated too has apparently done some really bad stuff.
That doesn't necessarily mean at the time he donated he knew they were doing terrible stuff - it's possible they hadn't been known for that stuff, but only him and that company know the truth behind all of this. Everything we've heard is essentially second hand information or one guy taking it a bit lightly.
Here is what I know - none of this has anything to do with my gaming experience. I cannot tell someone where to put their money, nor can I condone them for possibly enacting their right to free speech even if I completely disagree with what and how it's being said.
But none of this to me has anything to do with video games. This is his personal life and possibly his personal beliefs. I may hate them, but he has a right to have them and people can be upset. To me, this is irrelevant to video games, so I cannot seem to find the same anger others have.
If I get a rift; I'm getting it to play games. People here show little remorse for buying electronics made with parts that come from conflict mines, but now we're upset over some donations and possible few shit posts that may have come from a guy at the top of the rift mountain.
I feel like people are always looking for ways to be upset over politics and ignoring the much bigger issues. I do not own a rift and has debated about getting one or getting a vice if and when games reach full potential on them. I just feel like this is much todo about nothing. He can believe and support anything he wants imo unless it's illegal. That's his personal choice. It doesn't affect me or my ability to game.
And now you know what it's like to be a minority in Trump's AmericaThis is fucking bullshit! Why should I be penalized for something someone may or may not have done? And what about the thousands of other Rift owners who aren't going to be getting some games now. Fucking bullshit tbh.
And now you know what it's like to be a minority in Trump's America
And now you know what it's like to be a minority in Trump's America
I know politics are a big ticket issue atm and that the group he donated too has apparently done some really bad stuff.
That doesn't necessarily mean at the time he donated he knew they were doing terrible stuff - it's possible they hadn't been known for that stuff, but only him and that company know the truth behind all of this. Everything we've heard is essentially second hand information or one guy taking it a bit lightly.
Here is what I know - none of this has anything to do with my gaming experience. I cannot tell someone where to put their money, nor can I condone them for possibly enacting their right to free speech even if I completely disagree with what and how it's being said.
But none of this to me has anything to do with video games. This is his personal life and possibly his personal beliefs. I may hate them, but he has a right to have them and people can be upset. To me, this is irrelevant to video games, so I cannot seem to find the same anger others have.
If I get a rift; I'm getting it to play games. People here show little remorse for buying electronics made with parts that come from conflict mines, but now we're upset over some donations and possible few shit posts that may have come from a guy at the top of the rift mountain.
I feel like people are always looking for ways to be upset over politics and ignoring the much bigger issues. I do not own a rift and has debated about getting one or getting a vice if and when games reach full potential on them. I just feel like this is much todo about nothing. He can believe and support anything he wants imo unless it's illegal. That's his personal choice. It doesn't affect me or my ability to game.
I'm canceling my support for SuperHyperCube.