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Switch has digital triggers... so no GCN VC?
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WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
I mean, it's not "not true". It hasn't been confirmed one way or another.
Jesus christ.
Analog triggers take up a sizeable amount of space in a traditional controller. Seems like it would be tough to fit them into the Joy-Cons.
Portugeezer
Member
You mean one guy is talking about that? Also there is no reason these have to be untouched emulations, don't be so obtuse.
The leak suggested NERD, iirc, so I'd imagine the Virtual Console implentation here is going to be going for a more updated, robust emulation given NERD's other works and abilities to make good emulation. They may well simply be working to circumvent analogue triggers entirely by changing parts of the games, though I am unsure how.
That or the triggers are analogue but no game actually cares at current and its impossible to tell because of *reasons*. Though I highly doubt that one.
Or they'll enable the GameCube Adapter, and/or release analogue enabled joy-cons or some such.
That or the triggers are analogue but no game actually cares at current and its impossible to tell because of *reasons*. Though I highly doubt that one.
Or they'll enable the GameCube Adapter, and/or release analogue enabled joy-cons or some such.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
The GCN is actually much more of a "classic console" than the N64 was at Wii's launch. 15+ years and three generations old vs 10 and two generations. It would be nuts if we don't get GCN, but then Nintendo soooo
DeuceGamer
Member
I thought someone said the Joycons were analog and the Pro Controller was digital in a thread yesterday. Guess I misread it...dang.
stan423321
Member
They can, and they did something similar on the Wii's N64 VC, with rearranging C-Buttons depending on the particular game. The thing is, no one has a good idea how to rearrange the controls for some particularly extreme uses of analog triggers in a non-intrusive way, and when you're doing something intrusive, you could just port the whole thing instead.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
I'm not being obtuse. Nintendo almost never alters these games except with extremely rare instances, and has never once altered gameplay.
What exact, reasonable changes that Nintendo would conceivably enact do you propose?
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Yes.
Movalpolos
Banned
Clearly the system isn't made with it in mind so there will be no games that will benefit from it. That's my take.
Official emulation is significantly less resource intensive than community built emulators, so the simple answer would be yes.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
I'm betting the main reason we aren't getting GCN VC is so Nintendo can start releasing GCN/Wii remasters to help ease the dry spells. Just be prepared to spend $40 for your HD Metroid Other M though...
stan423321
Member
Nope, they had almost 8-bit precision. The fact some games used them as three-state buttons is important but not universal.
I've just looked at some pics of the joy con triggers again and yes i admit looks like i was way off my initial impression.
Think it was the shape of the trigger that made it look analogue to me but when you look at it closely there isn't actually much room for the trigger to move before it would touch the case, so guess digital it is
Dark Cloud
Member
If they're analog, then Nintendo will sell joy cons with analog triggers for GC VC games lol.
Movalpolos
Banned
Dammit, you might be onto something here...
TLZ
Banned
Here's an easy one; don't buy it. Doesn't mean you won't but it's a solution that keeps your pocket happy for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCoiTfLYigM
Couldn't they just get the GC Adapter working with it maybe?
Does Sony have the patent on rubber switch analog triggers or something? Analog triggers took up a lot of space inside the original Classic Controller so I don't think that would have fit inside the JoyCon. Nintendo got sued out of using mechanical analog triggers at one point in the middle of the Wii era but didn't they destroy the plaintiffs in that case? Must have if they made GC controllers again for Smash.
stan423321
Member
Not on the go. Get ready to hear that a lot by the way.
CrAzY FiNgErS
Member
My wild guess: they are going to release a cheap GameCube version of there L and R Joy-Cons that mimic the GameCube controller layout. What makes it cheaper than the $80.00 Joy-Con sets you see on Amazon? It won't have any of that crazy expensive tech the originals have. If you are using it to just play GameCube VC games or any of the Smash games you won't need HD Rumble, Gyro, NFC or IR. I think they will release other Nintendo themed console Joy Con controllers in a similar fashion with all the fancy tech stripped out to save on cost.
And the cycle continues.... this was the same thing we said about Wii U when it had a drought, turns out nintendo didnt care and was perfectly fine not releasing a first party retail game for six months straight.
was it lastnight's live show? do you have a link?
capylikesgames
Banned
Sure, I'll accept this. Vita didn't have analog triggers either, right? They'd probably take up a good amount of space in the already-packed joycons. That said, there is still no excuse for their omission on the Wii U. Idk what Nintendo is thinking by avoid them, as they're a very important part of controller design. I mean, a digital click at the end I feel is important too, for actions like firing a weapon that don't really require fine tuning, but why can't we have both?
friskykillface
Banned
#FreeGamecubeVC
they really need to do it because another gen of nes,snes,N64, ds games is just zzzzzzz
easy money too since a lot of those games are going up in value used so price it $15-$20 and you will make money
they really need to do it because another gen of nes,snes,N64, ds games is just zzzzzzz
easy money too since a lot of those games are going up in value used so price it $15-$20 and you will make money
CrAzY FiNgErS
Member
Lol, read my post above to see if you think my solution is plausible.
plagiarize
Banned
It's probably not going to preclude GCN VC (I sure as heck hope not)... but it does undermine my hopes for the switch being a portable gamecube, essentially.
If I can't use the right trigger to walk and run in REmake... I'm not sure I want a portable REmake as much as before.
If I can't use the right trigger to walk and run in REmake... I'm not sure I want a portable REmake as much as before.
TLZ
Banned
This is incorrect. Melee has an entire mechanic tied to the analogue triggers. Powershielding, otherwise more known as Perfect Shielding in the later games, was a mechanic in that game where if you half-pressed the shield button you would bring up a bigger and more transparent shield. Not only is the shield bigger but it's also how you reflected projectiles back at people (though it's not easy to do consistently because it's a 1 frame technique). This mechanic not only matters for that reflection part but a lot of meta stuff in advanced play and half-pressing the triggers in general can be used (iirc) for other aspects of more advanced play as well.
Which would be incredibly crucial for a 100% perfect Melee "HD".
Sunshine also relies pretty heavily on the analogue triggers for FLUDD. And I believe even Luigi's Mansion makes use of them as well and it matters a lot for that game, in terms of how powerful the vacuum's suctions are, I think?
Which makes this whole situation ironic. Multiple new sites reported on gamecube virtual console games launching with these three games and here we are with the Switch not having analog triggers. Its baffling. Seriously, eurogamer needs to get in contact with their source and be like "wtf?"
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Neither are analog, not sure why TheMoon is spreading misinformation.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
I would actually be ok with this, but they would need 6 to 7 a year. We all know they won't have that many ready to go in most likely two years. I would have preferred if this was what they decided to do, that they had one ready for launch.
Analog triggers are honestly an absolute waste for nearly every game that isn't a racing game, so this is really fine. Guess not so fine for those that believed the Melee/Sunshine rumors.
Although I don't understand why the buttons on the Switch have "give" to begin with. Should be just normal buttons.
Although I don't understand why the buttons on the Switch have "give" to begin with. Should be just normal buttons.
CrAzY FiNgErS
Member
I am not sure about there VC plans, but I imagine they wouldn't have any issues releasing GameCube and SNES Joy-Cons sometime this year after the console releases. I imagine they would either have a Direct about the console themed Joy-Cons or make it a big deal at E3 after the Switch has been out for 3 months. Lol, at least I hope it works out like this. You never know what Nintendo will do.
Pizza con salsiccia
Banned
But would it be powerful enough to emulate NGC games?
I'm not so sure :/
Ports maybe, VC...?
I'm not so sure :/
Ports maybe, VC...?
You would've hoped they'd do what was necessary to make their console super attractive out of the gate. Don't get me wrong, I am getting it at launch and its already preordered, but its like they're not even trying. What exactly do they have all of their employees for?
All Switch controllers have motion as a standard, the wii u pro controller does not so I am going to say no.
damn that really sucks. i atleast hope they work on games that dont use motion.
I assume they wont even connect to the system at all.