Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Maybe they will brand him as “criminal” like they did with Hashino.
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Tekken Director Katsuhiro Harada Is Tired Of SJWs
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Aceofspades
Banned
I completely agree with him, situation is getting out of hand and its getting tiring tbh.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I can get that kind of comments for a game like Bravely Default (and likely a few others)... but the females in Tekken don't strike me as kids with boobs, you should really remove your outrage glasses.
Now I won't say that they are not sexualized in any way, and won't insist that "it has to be this way" (but for having had this discussion before, I know someone asked "why does the skirt has to be this short? in a shocked tone), but in all honestly I don't believe in the supposed real world arm done in this case, or any similar case.
I recall conservatives being upset at the sight of skin a just a few years ago, now it seems that the idea completely turned on its head, next thing you'll know leftists will ask for segregation... oh wait they're already doing this :-/ You can't make this sh*t up.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Combine asian looks with western fetishization and you end up with creepily young looking character designs.
I think Japan as a whole has huge issues on that front and several other fronts and I don't think you can mark sexual fetishization down to cultural quirks.
Now their bubble is confronted with western standards and expectation and shit clashes. I get their frustration with western criticism, but I also have to say that its true and necessary.
That doesn't mean that I find these games bad as a whole or refuse to buy them. Its just one point of criticism I have, just like I have them about almost every game I play.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I don't know much about Tekken as I haven't seen a Tekken game since Tekken 3.
I was talking about Soul Calibur 6.
BusierDonkey
Member
Games should be made in the vision they were conceived with. The issue lies in localization and meeting different ratings criteria in different countries which can lead to changes that sometimes have a negative impact on the game's aesthetics and art direction, or would otherwise lead to the game having a higher rating. They rarely adhere to any concrete criteria and seem to vary game to game, often not being uniform in a single title. In Smash they changed Mythra's spirit by hiding her cleavage and gave her leggings. Urbosa from Zelda shows even more skin with no edits. There are a ton of examples in the game that are more "sexualized" that had no edits to meet the E rating.
A young girl in a bathing suit or otherwise showing bare skin is offensive to certain people for some reason. To me, anyone that sees that and thinks "This is too sexy" is just fucking creepy. I spend a lot of time at the lake in the summer and there are hundreds of kids running around in swimsuits. A grand total of zero people are offended, and a grand total or zero people thought they looked sexy, it's a fucking kid.
When I still worked retail, I worked with a Chinese woman I assumed was in University at the time, maybe 18-20, she was 4'10" and had no boobs at all, zero wrinkles or signs of aging. Turned out she was 32 and had kids. Stick her in a bikini top and a short skirt, then make her a fighting character and people would be screaming about it.
You're the one that is saying "These young women are too sexy". If you see them as under-age, but then also think they are too sexy, you need to ask yourself why that is.
A young girl in a bathing suit or otherwise showing bare skin is offensive to certain people for some reason. To me, anyone that sees that and thinks "This is too sexy" is just fucking creepy. I spend a lot of time at the lake in the summer and there are hundreds of kids running around in swimsuits. A grand total of zero people are offended, and a grand total or zero people thought they looked sexy, it's a fucking kid.
When I still worked retail, I worked with a Chinese woman I assumed was in University at the time, maybe 18-20, she was 4'10" and had no boobs at all, zero wrinkles or signs of aging. Turned out she was 32 and had kids. Stick her in a bikini top and a short skirt, then make her a fighting character and people would be screaming about it.
You're the one that is saying "These young women are too sexy". If you see them as under-age, but then also think they are too sexy, you need to ask yourself why that is.
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Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
The game is made by a Japanese team. There isn't any western fetishization involved. You're simply making a false argument to artificially apply your arbitrary standards to others.
As someone who lives in Japan for a quarter of the year for work, has done so for almost nine years, and is happily preparing to move there next year, they seem to be doing a lot better than the west on basically every front.
What is necessary is for Japanese developers and creatives to stop caring about what the western easily outraged say. Which one just did, and I guarantee you, many more will follow. There's only so much you can pull a rope before it snaps.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Pervert.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I'm not saying that at all. I am saying they are too sexualized.
There is nothing about these designs.
Western faces.
Except birthrates...
Well, if they want to appeal to this market they will have to face the criticism of this market.
Vampire On Titus
Member
Jim Sterling told me there was no censorious pressure from western media. He told me these reactions were just a ploy to bilk gullible right wing gamers into importing games that would never reach the west anyway.
Are you now telling me that far left moralists, backed up by outrage mobs, actually create a climate that stifles creative expression??? Are you telling me Jim Sterling was full of shit??? It can't be!
I'm gonna need a while to process this bombshell. My world-view has been shaken to it's very core.
Are you now telling me that far left moralists, backed up by outrage mobs, actually create a climate that stifles creative expression??? Are you telling me Jim Sterling was full of shit??? It can't be!
I'm gonna need a while to process this bombshell. My world-view has been shaken to it's very core.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Talim doesn't have a western face. Her face is perfectly in line with the anime-like representation of an Asian face because she's Asian.
At least you can walk in a park at night without fearing for your life. Or worse.
You don't represent this market. The easily offended don't represent this market. From the latest financial statements, SoulCalibur 6 has done well. Looks like the market has spoken.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Don't those hypocrites tend to excuse Japanese content?
Afro Republican
Banned
Twitter to send Tekken Force to suspend his Twitter account in 3...2...1....
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Ironic, cause it's also the best roster of all-time.
Athena~
Banned
Can anyone explain why he likes being called a pervert? There are men actually proud to be a perv now?
I noticed that every time they pretend to be against sexualize designs they have the most in-depth sickening description of a female private body parts, almost like they pause the game then zoom in 100% and then proceed to write an essay about the female character.
At the same time put no effort to describe the male character, like what he did with Voldo. No description at all.
Normal people won’t even notice details like that! Somehow some people see so much of the things they hate. It’s baffling.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
In the meanwhile, the western press applauds the display of more of our "core values."
CatCouch
Member
This stuff is so ridiculous you have to love it! I loved crushing balls in MKX.In the meanwhile, the western press applauds the display of more of our "core values."
Seriously, though, if this is fine no one should be trying to shame nipple bumps in a fighting game.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
No they believe they have found the universal truth. You cannot discuss the why, or the conclusion, you can only discuss how to get the sinful content fixed.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
I don't "love" it, but I certainly have nothing against it. It serves a niche and contributes to the diversity among fighting games.
The issue I have isn't the content, but the obvious double standards with which it's judged.
Nah. I was banned from there for a week for daring to defend Valkyria Chronicles 4 against the false accusations of some western journalist hunting for controversy.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
He needs to get off Twitter and stop conversing with trolls.
Sqorin Hammerfarf
Banned
I want you to listen to yourself here. You are literally saying that a twenty year old Dreamcast game has better design than a new game with practically the same character designs because the Dreamcast game had worse graphics. This justifies, in your mind, your comment of "I think the character designs are worse than they have ever been."
Personally, I won't be satisfied until I can tell the quality of Voldo's wiping habits. He strikes me as a back to front sort of guy. We're almost there. Maybe the PS5 will allow us to finally crack the mystery.
Read that sentence again. Out loud if you have to. Just keep reading it until you realize that you can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy.
I looked it up, and apparently she is 15. Puberty typically ends between 15-17, and Talim has many of the secondary sexual characteristics that would indicate the passage from girlhood to woman, such as hips and breasts. No doubt, she menstruates and is capable of going through childbirth, though the game really doesn't belabor this point. So yes, I think she's reached sexual maturity. And I hate you for making me talk about Talim's menstrual cycle.
She's not doing anything particularly sexual (unless beating someone's face in with sticks counts) and she's basically wearing shorts and a tank top. Other than the shorts being cut to show a little extra hip, there's really not anything there that's overtly sexual. If you look at her design and are thinking, "ooh, that little minx doth so engorge my member", I can't help but think that anything short of a full burka will keep us safe from your raging hormones.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Her age in the latest game is unknown (no character has any specified age in VI). It actually changed a lot across past games that specified it.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
I can't tell if the dreamcast version didn't have the sinful tits because of technology - are you american? the country that had its news media go crazy for about a year because Janet Jackson's showed half a boob, accidentally, during the half time show of some american football game? This is probably where all this conservatism is coming from.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
Good, who isn't tired of those clowns?
Afro Republican
Banned
West has though that since World War II, that's not new at all.
I think you meant they used to be careful about attacking cultures, but now under feminism, they have no issue attacking Japanese culture now.
Azula
Neo Member
Don’t know about all of his points. But regardless, I think critical backlash is overly harsh many times. It’s fair to be critical of something. It’s even understandable if you find something offensive, and want to talk about it.
But the way we discuss things has gotten so harsh. It’s all or nothing, and there is this expectation that you shouldn’t have done the thing people are criticizing in the first place. There is no room for learning. No room for forgiveness.
I can imagine this would become exhausting as a creator. I also feel there is less and less room for “genre” things. Like b-movies or schlock. Some things are supposed to be trashy and fun. *shrugs* just what I think
But the way we discuss things has gotten so harsh. It’s all or nothing, and there is this expectation that you shouldn’t have done the thing people are criticizing in the first place. There is no room for learning. No room for forgiveness.
I can imagine this would become exhausting as a creator. I also feel there is less and less room for “genre” things. Like b-movies or schlock. Some things are supposed to be trashy and fun. *shrugs* just what I think
CyberPanda
Banned
SJW's ruin everything.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
It pains me to say it but Tekken has been fucking shit since Tekken 6. It's all fan service bullshit with anime tropes and it's a transformation system away from becoming Dragon ball Z. Really sad to see. The only thing that would have even made me consider buying T7 is if Kazuma Kiryu became a DLC character. Even then I'd wait till it was cheap.
Nymphae
Banned
Agree 100%, the character designs from 2 are just so amazing and timeless. Everyone is so distinct from each other, recognizable immediately by silhouette, they cover a wide range of styles, and the colour palettes chosen for the characters was perfect.
I watched "I Am Street Fighter" on YT the other day, a doc by the Area 5 guys. It was a great watch. There's this one part where they're talking about the character designs and they show this image, it's incredible how the characters pop out at you here.
Lynd7
Member
People who make stuff just need to ignore and do what they want.
The discourse has slowly changed, when all this commentating started up about sexism or making designs a little less sexy. It was more people saying, oh it's just critique, we don't want to change or enforce, you can still like this stuff.
But nowadays ANY character designed to be more revealing etc has a Twitter campaign to have it changed it seems.
The discourse has slowly changed, when all this commentating started up about sexism or making designs a little less sexy. It was more people saying, oh it's just critique, we don't want to change or enforce, you can still like this stuff.
But nowadays ANY character designed to be more revealing etc has a Twitter campaign to have it changed it seems.
Ohhh, they sure wont. That site is where all the SJW gather. It really is like a lair for these weirdos.
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TempleOfIron
Banned
So don't pander to them and all will be good
Unknown Soldier
Member
I'm already looking forward to the thread about his "Phobic Crimes"
What's the over/under on Tekken being banned there soon?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
The body is only obscene on the outside.In the meanwhile, the western press applauds the display of more of our "core values."
SlashBringingHasher
Banned
harada is a hot head and I dislike him but I agree with him here.
Stuart360
Member
Because SJW's dont 'fight' fair. If you dont agree with them, or are against their agenda, you are racist, woman hating, sexoist, homophobic, etc, and they are not afaraid to say that. And in todays 'PC gone mad' world we live in, being accuse of any of that is dangerous, hense why companies pander to them so much.
It had looked like the tide was turning a little with stuff like Doom Eternals jibes at SJW culture, and another game did something similar recently, but alas SJW's still have a tight hold of the world, if not quite as tight as it once did.
SoulChamber
Member
I agree with him.
And I happen to be a western SJW that doesn't like censorship within gaming.
And I happen to be a western SJW that doesn't like censorship within gaming.
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Azula
Neo Member
You would think that. But bizarrely, we have corporations who are supposed to exist for profit, who instead care more about “pr” than anything else.
So you have cases where they care more about perception than what their sales could be. Companies have of course always cared about PR and their reputation, as bad PR and controversies could lead to loss of sales.
But this seems different, where they are using their companies for social causes, even if it means alienating customers and losing sales. Sometimes it makes sense. But sometimes it’s bizarre.
A.Romero
Member
Some of them have done it because they think that's what the market wants and some of them have done it because their employees think like that (for example BFV).
I think many companies will come around and if not new ones will come forward and fill the void. As long as there are paying customers...