Oh, the "just don't buy it and shut up" defense force.
And Elma's ED custom never got critized! Oh wait...
Since (main)character design is such a big part of the game, it's completely fair for people to voice their opinio/criticism. Especially when the creator say something like "leave the hot guy saving the world to someone else" and then have a animu hot girl (even more common and tiring trope) in his game.
I say this as a fan since Xenogears.
Or you can pick option B and complain about it in every single Xenoblade 2 while still buying the game and looking like a complete hypocrite. Subtract the title Xenoblade 2 and add any other title in all the various forms of media that pander to a male or female audience because there's enough of both.
Or you can pick option B and complain about it in every single Xenoblade 2 thread while still buying the game and looking like a complete hypocrite. Subtract the title Xenoblade 2 and add Final Fantasy XV or any other title in all the various forms of media that pander to a male or female audience because there's enough of both.
Everyone who was againt the girl already stated their opinion, there is no need for them to repeat the same stuff everytime.
there's enough of both.
As long as it doesn't get censored I'll get it.
War of the Prudes and Pervs.The useless drama in this topic... amazing.
Because these are just a symptom of how women are viewed & treated overall in the Japanese society and should be criticized. Sexism isn't a victimless/problemless societal issue no matter what culture we're talking about. From my understanding Japan is still a very sexist society in a lot of regards and that reflects into a lot of things (like the all-encompassing, horrible waifu culture in Jpop, anime/manga and games). There's nothing wrong with calling this shit out & expecting better from international players like Nintendo.I don't mind criticism of design choice, but people are so judgemental. It seems many of you here take issue with how women are portrayed in Japanese culture--not just in video games.
Shocking, I know. Different culture has different values. I don't agree with it, of course. Like many here, I was raised in western society with western values, and I know how our views of women have been changing recently when compared with Japanese culture. But I'm not going to fault the character designers or call them names for portraying them as such. Why should I force my cultural values onto another? It's not my place, even though I may disagree with them.
This is why companies put in efforts to localize. Yet then there's another can of worms called censorship.
Exactly this.Because these are just a symptom of how women are viewed & treated overall in the Japanese society and should be criticized. Sexism isn't a victimless/problemless societal issue no matter what culture we're talking about. From my understanding Japan is still a very sexist society in a lot of regards and that reflects into a lot of things (like the all-encompassing, horrible waifu culture in Jpop, anime/manga and games). There's nothing wrong with calling this shit out & expecting better from international players like Nintendo.
I had no idea Saitom (Masatsugu Saitou) did the character designs for this. Makes me kind of interested tbh.
I had no idea Saitom (Masatsugu Saitou) did the character designs for this. Makes me kind of interested tbh.
Yeah, he also did character designs for "Expelled from Paradise".I didn't know too much about him. He recently did the character designs for the latest Cyborg 009 anime series.
Yeah, he also did character designs for "Expelled from Paradise".
He's a hentai artist too so let that sink in for a while.
I really hope a Mod set some ground rules down for future topics on this game.
Oh, the "just don't buy it and shut up" defense force.
And Elma's ED custom never got critized! Oh wait...
Since (main)character design is such a big part of the game, it's completely fair for people to voice their opinion/criticism. Especially when the creator say something like "leave the hot guy saving the world story to someone else" and then have a animu hot girl (even more common and tiring trope) in his game.
I say this as a fan since Xenogears.
Oh god yes please.
Not if every freaking thread about the game gets derailed with this shit. The faces of X were bad enough, we already know how this goes down. Make a thread about it where every can complain instead of shitting up every thread with "Xenoblade 2" in the thread title. "Oh wow the music sounds really nice BUT THE OUTFITS AND THE SEXISM!"
I'm not even calling you out specifically but everyone who feels entitled to derailing threats because he's in the right about something. Just stop that BS please.
You do realize that giving female video characters these sorts of clothings is exactly what constitutes treating women badly in this instance?Would work if Xenoblade was treating women badly which it doesn't especially.
There are thousand of other games, japanese or western games that would be far better examples to use.
So far the twitter thread has been nice.
Yeah, please continue ignoring glaring issues such as this.Oh nice must have missed that one. Will immediately head over there instead of the shitshow in here where we were supposed to be talking about his statements. thanks for the heads up!
Yeah, please continue ignoring glaring issues such as this.
This might not be a glaring issue for everyone, you know.Yeah, please continue ignoring glaring issues such as this.
I'd believe that.He's not the first hentai artist to work on a Xeno game
Not an issue.Yeah, please continue ignoring glaring issues such as this.
Yeah, please continue ignoring glaring issues such as this.
Yeah, he also did character designs for "Expelled from Paradise".
He's a hentai artist too so let that sink in for a while.
I was thinking more in terms of this being a game published by Nintendo. Obviously a ton of Japanese artists do some of that stuff on the side.Eh. I feel this doesn't say much when plenty of successful and famous artists have drew porn. Go Nagai drew porn, but that didn't stop him from being a major inspiration on works from Berserk, Souls series to the mecha genre to the magical girl genre.
*Looks up his profile*
Uh....also apparently pioneered the ecchi genre.
That said, I don't really like these designs.
"A young adult story with a taste of boy-meets-girl. Lately it feels like all Ive been doing are games full of devastation, like where your hometown burns down at the start, or the spaceship youre riding crashes(oh wait, that is all I ever do). Sometimes I just wanna try something different!
I was thinking more in terms of this being a game published by Nintendo. Obviously a ton of Japanese artists do some of that stuff on the side.
For sure. I mean, it worked for Fire Emblem!Oh. Yeah. I can see that with Nintendo, but Nintendo seems to have gotten more lenient in the last 5 years or so. At least Nintendo of Japan anyway.
For sure. I mean, it worked for Fire Emblem!
Yeah, please continue ignoring glaring issues such as this.
She can hold my sword any day.
Cuningas de Häme;241133695 said:Stop derailing these threads with your fantasies about little girls in skimpy suits! That thought never crossed my mind when watching these trailers. It says something about you guys when you see immediately such things in these...
It would be so nice to read proper discussions about this game, but we clearly need some guidance to keep these threads nice.
You can say what you want and get out of the thread. Why are you so hell bound to ruin everyone's joy about a very impressive looking game with a tad silly looking garments?
So, what MomoQca said, make a new thread and stop derailing this.
No mod did anything about XCX threads all being about shitposting, concern trolling from people that didn't plan to buy the game and constant and predictable derail with "lol the faces!", "I hate Sawano!", "american voices!", "rap music lol" and more, no matter what was the actual topic of the thread, so I have little faith that will be different with this title... I mean the game wasn't perfect but come on...I really hope a Mod set some ground rules down for future topics on this game.
Cuningas de Häme;241133695 said:Stop derailing these threads with your fantasies about little girls in skimpy suits! That thought never crossed my mind when watching these trailers. It says something about you guys when you see immediately such things in these...
What the fuck are you even on about
What the fuck are you even on about
Hes on about people in here spamming how that Swordwoman/Whatever is looking like a 12 year old when her anatomy alone makes that pretty much impossible.
That's really not what he's saying
Is it not? He's saying that people who see a 12 year old girl in this
have some underlying issues they should work on. Or just can't distinguish animu tropes from reality.
Not that I agree on that, but their behaviour is dumb and unnessecary nontheless.
Cuningas de Häme;241133695 said:Stop derailing these threads with your fantasies about little girls in skimpy suits! That thought never crossed my mind when watching these trailers. It says something about you guys when you see immediately such things in these...
It would be so nice to read proper discussions about this game, but we clearly need some guidance to keep these threads nice.
You can say what you want and get out of the thread. Why are you so hell bound to ruin everyone's joy about a very impressive looking game with a tad silly looking garments?
So, what MomoQca said, make a new thread and stop derailing this.
No, I see it as him reacting to the design criticism. If it was anyone else than Cuningas I could see that, but I've never seen him post anything remotely sensible, so I'm not going to give him the benefit of doubt.
If this is a reply to my posts, you had better read them again. I didn't imply that Pyra is underage. I'm criticizing her design as sexist. It's of course not only this game, but games in general that tend to pander to straight male teenagers with these female designs.
I think it's important to bring up this discussion for as long as these designs continue to exist. But I also don't want to derail threads, so I'm going to leave now.
I'm not digging how dumb looking the main cast costumes are, but I hope to customize their apperance that they won't look as dumb.
Seriously, is the main protagonist so poor that those are the only pants he could afford?