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They make comics.
It's 2017.
Done.
It's 2017.
Done.
Not yet. I'll check it out on MU.
They make comics.
It's 2017.
Done.
Valtýr;237910272 said:comparing a novel to a comic is literally apples to oranges. they require completely different skills and effort to produce. not saying one is harder or easier than the other but the cost is what it is because of the money put into it. they don't just arbitrarily pick a number.
2016, the comic business made almost a billionThey make comics.
It's 2017.
Done.
I am a person who should be their prime target:
- 32 years old
- Disposable income
- Into the MCU movies and other stuff like it
However, I have no intention of wading through the layers of bullshit they have accumulated over the years. I want to invest in a long-running story and character(s), not have to figure out which 18 different series I need to piece together along with various cross-over events.
If I might co-sign, I discovered comics at my local corner store. I think my first comic was a Star Trek comic. But it turned into 7 or 8 years of regular collection of new releases and maybe 300 comics bought between new releases and flea market pickups. I eventually started getting my comics from a comic store, but had it not been their for their availability at regular stores, I'm pretty sure that I would have never picked up a comic. Or certainly not many. Not if I had to go to a dedicated store to get them.If they want to boost sales, put the fucking things in supermarkets and target them to 8 year olds. It is fine to have adult comics, but the superhero stuff should not be that.
1) There are currently 7 or 8 different versions of Spider-man running concurrently together.
Yeah pretty much this, also it seems like a lot of Marvel's decisions are to appease to the "Tumblr" crowd, who don't buy comics anyway.
Its also definitely a cost issue. Doesn't DC pretty much charge $2.99 across the board?
MCU should've had a canonical comic line in tandem with the films. Easiest money they could make and they fucked it up.
Instead, Star Wars comics. In canon and sell like a mofo.
"Appease the tumblr crowd"? What the hell does that even mean?
The comics are too expensive, all the different events are annoying to keep up with, and the story and dialogs are terrible to cringeworthy especially when personal politics are forced in.
Yeah I remember looking for MCU comics set in between the movies a couple of years ago and being shocked when there weren't any.
I actually do read some of the new Star Wars comics. They're not the greatest thing ever but they're usually pretty enjoyable.
They make comics.
It's 2017.
Done.
I think it's a safer way of saying SJW.
This is a bad argument.They make comics.
It's 2017.
Done.
Which is funny since Tumblr is where you see lots of diehard fans, while the anti-SJW people probably just pirate their shit from 4chan.
I remember a lot of his posts on the CBR boards. It was....something.I'm glad Steve Wacker got mentioned in that. Everyone focuses on how big assholes Slott & Spencer are, but they forget that Steve would go out of his way to antagonize fans of Peter Parker when the whole Superior Spider-Man mess was going on. Fuck him.
Aren't all of these the exact same points that were brought up in that Marvel Twine essay?
To translate: "I heard that they put womenfolk and darkies in their comics! How scandalous!""Appease the tumblr crowd"? What the hell does that even mean?
"Appease the tumblr crowd"? What the hell does that even mean?
Maybe you weren't looking hard enough. They've released many MCU comics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_tie-in_comics
Reading old Marvel comics from the 60's is wild compared to the stuff today. I was checking out the early Stan Lee & Jack Kirby Fantastic Four. Each issue is split into three chapters, tells a complete story, usually at an insane lightning pace.
It was kinda amazing how much they stuffed a single issue with. Pretty much everything I knew about Dr. Doom's origin was first told in like half a page worth of panels. They even travel back in time and become pirates for a while in that same issue. All that for 10 cents back then, though I'm not sure what that'd be today w/ inflation.
Feels like what they'd fit into a single issue back then is now stretched out to a year's worth of comics sometimes, so reading a single issue often feels like nothing happens. Of course, it probably isn't quite fair to compare any normal comic to Stan Lee & Jack Kirby basically creating the Marvel universe, and the early 60's were very different from today, but just at a basic structural level the differences are huge.
It's nonsense.
If that's what they were trying to do, Cap and Bucky would b making out 24/7.
Every single MCU tie-in comic is a single or double issue prelude. They are not full releases. They sell out in the first 30 minutes they hit the shelves and they never have a follow-up or restock.
This is in no way comparable to the consistent, multiple full releases of 20+ issue runs that each individual MCU hero has currently running that have nothing to do with the MCU. For example, if you were interested in MCU Spider-man - they ran a two issue Spider-man Homecoming Prelude comic in March. Meanwhile, there's Spider-man, Spider-man/Deadpool, Amazing Spider-man, Renew Your Vows Spider-man, Scarlet Spider, Earth's Mightiest Heroes Spider-man, Venom Spider-man, Carnage Spider-man, and Spider-Gwen all running at about the same time.
Telling someone they aren't looking hard enough is fucking laughable when there's like a one day window twice in one month to find the 2 run release of MCU Spider-man in the ocean of non-MCU Spider-mans released every week.
I feel like I'm gonna lose my mind getting invested into another series that only lasts 9 goddamn issues.
Unironically they should do this to see what it does to sales.
Reading old Marvel comics from the 60's is wild compared to the stuff today. I was checking out the early Stan Lee & Jack Kirby Fantastic Four. Each issue is split into three chapters, tells a complete story, usually at an insane lightning pace.
It was kinda amazing how much they stuffed a single issue with. Pretty much everything I knew about Dr. Doom's origin was first told in like half a page worth of panels. They even travel back in time and become pirates for a while in that same issue. All that for 12 cents back then, though I'm not sure what that'd be today w/ inflation.
So, with many of the above arguments in mind (and I agree with a lot of the criticisms), are there any current books - or writers, that are good at telling single issue stories? Books that make it easy to onboard at any point.
I enjoy good arcs like everyone else, but my on/off/on experience with superhero books is that we rarely get single issue stories anymore. But I could be basing that on my limited reading interest.
One of the things I enjoyed about Alan Moore was his ability to write decent single issue comics (which I know could be gimmicky) - including the 8 page story-within-a-story work on Supreme and other titles.
Yeah the way DC and Marvel run their superhero lines are awful. I love superhero movies, cartoon and live action show but I don't read a single DC or Marvel superhero book. They have way too many superhero comics with too many crossovers and ongoing stories I don't want to start after hundreds of issues. I was excited for DC restarting everything at #1 a couple of years ago but it was just a number reboot not a story reboot. I'm sure the move to only selling to direct retailers influenced a lot of the way they handle these books.
I do love reading stuff like Saga and Walking Dead.
I mean, the last book I can think of that was very much single issue one and dones, but also developed an overall storyline was Planetary, and god forgive anyone who thinks Planetary is Bad Comics
Constant line-wide crossover events, reboots, and books getting cancelled after two issues caused me to stop reading the majority of stuff from the big two years ago.
It's *hard* to write a new story every month, which is one reason why stories get stretched out to 6 and 12 issue arcs. But that also makes the value proposition for the new reader much lower. They either gets something incomplete, or wait for the trade. And the trades themselves are expensive.
I don't have any insider industry know-how, but all external evidence suggests its the art side of things thats the big bottleneck in getting a book done in a month.
This is how I feel, and can't help but see that there has been a change from predominantly "writing a serial" to "writing for trades" (or 'decompression' was the buzzword describing this most recently)
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I mean, the last book I can think of that was very much single issue one and dones, but also developed an overall storyline was Planetary, and god forgive anyone who thinks Planetary is Bad Comics
9/10 times it is always art.
Notable exceptions are Kevin Smith and JMS
Thankfully they didn't reward this kind of behavior by making one of the most infamously late artists in comic book history the publisher of DC comics.
Absolutely agree on Planetary, and I think it's a good example of how to do single issue/arc storytelling.