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The Dark Knight Rises (Batman 3) - No Riddler

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One of the better fan made posters: http://www.epicponyz.com/2011/01/dark-knight-rises.html

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It's not a bad poster, but like most fan made made things, it is just regurgitating the official stuff. That one in particular is "let's take the dark knight posters and change the character and location." Like TDK used the same style of poster as Batman Begins (they didn't even use the same color scheme).

having said that, The Dark Knight had some kickass posters
 
Linkzg said:
It's not a bad poster, but like most fan made made things, it is just regurgitating the official stuff. That one in particular is "let's take the dark knight posters and change the character and location." Like TDK used the same style of poster as Batman Begins (they didn't even use the same color scheme).
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Speaking of which, Batman Begins was orange, The Dark Knight was blue, so what color will TDKR be?
 
Ignis Fatuus said:
Speaking of which, Batman Begins was orange, The Dark Knight was blue, so what color will TDKR be?
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Green should be it, if they follow the color scheme. And besides, 3 is usually associated with green, and Bane is associated with green as well.

But I expect some orange and blue all around.
 
Willy105 said:
Green should be it, if they follow the color scheme. And besides, 3 is usually associated with green, and Bane is associated with green as well.

But I expect some orange and blue all around.
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What?
 
Willy105 said:
Very interesting, but I disagree with the color choices.
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Assuming you are not a synesthete, you don't really get to "disagree" as they aren't a matter of "choice" at all. :P
 
With all the casting announcements recently i've completely forgotten, help me out here:

Is Joseph Gordon-Levitt in this or was that just post-Inception rumour nonsense?
 
Does anyone else wish that they return to a location that resembles Gotham. The first one had a lot better atmosphere than Dark Knight I feel. Dark Knight just seemed bland in terms of the environment.
 
RichardAM said:
With all the casting announcements recently i've completely forgotten, help me out here:

Is Joseph Gordon-Levitt in this or was that just post-Inception rumour nonsense?
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Nonsense, and good thing at that. They picked the best team member in Inception for The Dark Knight Rising (Watanabe and Murphy don't count they were temps and already in Batmans)
 
Blader5489 said:
You're only getting rid of the core of the movie, but yeah, okay. Nobody'd notice.
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That was not the core of the movie. The core of the movie was Batman having to choose. The whole two face sub plot was padding.
 
I don't understand how batman's entry wasn't flashy in the dark knight... he drove the batmobile (which was being remote-controlled) through a wall, pummelled 5-6 thugs, blew up an SUV, bent a gun's barrel with some hydraulics system, landed on a van from a 3 story drop, took down the scarecrow, and had a snarky one-liner all in his introductory scene. How much more do you want?

Anyway, I get the vibe from how Nolan's been approaching this that he really has a clear focus on where he's taking the story and how he wants it to end. I expect some real good stuff.
 
If they got rid of Two Face they would have to have included something significant in there to make Batman rogue at the end of the film.

Still I kinda agree with you, Two Face thing was rushed at the end. Should have just let him live on to the next film. Would have been a lot more emotional investment too. Probably end TDK with him actually becoming Two-Face.
 
Freshmaker said:
That was not the core of the movie. The core of the movie was Batman having to choose. The whole two face sub plot was padding.
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I'd say that Harvey Dent's arc is the core of the film. When he's in the hospital he is visited by Batman, who gives him his coin, Joker, who gives him his gun, and Gordon, who gives him his new moniker as Two-face. That really sums up that the film is about how the craziness of Gotham affects and corrupts even the most noble and ambitious of people and those three characters are really an extended representation of different aspects of Gotham. The entire film revolves around how becoming DA of Gotham takes it's toll on Harvey and ultimately kills him.
 
OrangeGrayBlue said:
I'd say that Harvey Dent's arc is the core of the film. When he's in the hospital he is visited by Batman, who gives him his coin, Joker, who gives him his gun, and Gordon, who gives him his new moniker as Two-face. That really sums up that the film is about how the craziness of Gotham affects and corrupts even the most noble and ambitious of people and those three characters are really an extended representation of different aspects of Gotham. The entire film revolves around how becoming DA of Gotham takes it's toll on Harvey and ultimately kills him.
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Erm, you just described the things that make up Harvey Dent's character arc, not why his arc is the crux of the film.
 
Scullibundo said:
Erm, you just described the things that make up Harvey Dent's character arc, not why his arc is the crux of the film.
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I'm saying that the hospital scene in particular shows how the other three characters revolve around Harvey Dent and that the main focus is on him. Despite being a batman movie, I really don't think it's batman's movie. At least that's the impression I've always gotten.
 
Discotheque said:
If they got rid of Two Face they would have to have included something significant in there to make Batman rogue at the end of the film.
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Could've just had something happen with Gordon.
Still I kinda agree with you, Two Face thing was rushed at the end. Should have just let him live on to the next film. Would have been a lot more emotional investment too. Probably end TDK with him actually becoming Two-Face.
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Pretty much. I've never liked the idea of having multiple villains in one movie.
 
OrangeGrayBlue said:
I'm saying that the hospital scene in particular shows how the other three characters revolve around Harvey Dent and that the main focus is on him. Despite being a batman movie, I really don't think it's batman's movie. At least that's the impression I've always gotten.
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The film focused around Gotham and the struggle between Batman and the Joker to keep Gotham going to their own mould. Harvey as a character just acted as a direct representation of the struggle between Bats and the Joker. To lose Harvey would be for Bruce to lose Gotham.
 
Scullibundo said:
Erm, you just described the things that make up Harvey Dent's character arc, not why his arc is the crux of the film.
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Here is why Harvey Dent is important to the film TDK. Batman even though he doesn't want to has limits, and those limits will cost him someday. He's tired and being broken on a daily basis from taking down all the crime in Gotham city. Bruce/Batman sees Harvey Dent as the model government official to take up his mantle and continue taking down the crime problems of Gotham City. Dent is a way to do things through the proper channels and would leave a bigger more lasting mark on the city than a vigilante would.

So they set Dent up to be the White Knight for Gotham, only to realize that he is only human and is subjected to human feelings and thoughts. Batman isn't because he is a vigilante, no one can attack him because he is a symbol in every since of the word. Dent, even though he tried to be a symbol is stil bound by his human faults.

When Rachel dies that sends him over the edge. It sends him on a revenge streak a very core function that most humans indulge in. This is where he fails as the ultimate symbol for Gotham and becomes a tragic character. When he falls so does the chance of Bruce/Batman getting out of the Vigilante business. Batman must remain as the only symbol for Gotham City because no Human in the open can do it... only Batman.
 
UltimaPooh said:
Here is why Harvey Dent is important to the film TDK. Batman even though he doesn't want to has limits, and those limits will cost him someday. He's tired and being broken on a daily basis from taking down all the crime in Gotham city. Bruce/Batman sees Harvey Dent as the model government official to take up his mantle and continue taking down the crime problems of Gotham City. Dent is a way to do things through the proper channels and would leave a bigger more lasting mark on the city than a vigilante would.

So they set Dent up to be the White Knight for Gotham, only to realize that he is only human and is subjected to human feelings and thoughts. Batman isn't because he is a vigilante, no one can attack him because he is a symbol in every since of the word. Dent, even though he tried to be a symbol is stil bound by his human faults.

When Rachel dies that sends him over the edge. It sends him on a revenge streak a very core function that most humans indulge in. This is where he fails as the ultimate symbol for Gotham and becomes a tragic character. When he falls so does the chance of Bruce/Batman getting out of the Vigilante business. Batman must remain as the only symbol for Gotham City because no Human in the open can do it... only Batman.
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that is good
 
Scullibundo said:
The film focused around Gotham and the struggle between Batman and the Joker to keep Gotham going to their own mould. Harvey as a character just acted as a direct representation of the struggle between Bats and the Joker. To lose Harvey would be for Bruce to lose Gotham.
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I've always viewed it as Harvey Dent being central to the story and the events between Batman and the Joker are just the chaos happening around him. I can see where you're coming from, though. I guess a lot of it depends on the viewer's frame of mind.
 
Freshmaker said:
That was not the core of the movie. The core of the movie was Batman having to choose. The whole two face sub plot was padding.
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TDK is about Batman and Joker's war over Gotham, with Dent representing Gotham. You lose Dent's arc, you lose what the conflict is about; it becomes too abstract and you don't see any direct consequences of Batman and Joker's actions.

I don't know what you mean by "Batman having to choose" is the core of the film. Choose what?

Discotheque said:
If they got rid of Two Face they would have to have included something significant in there to make Batman rogue at the end of the film.

Still I kinda agree with you, Two Face thing was rushed at the end. Should have just let him live on to the next film. Would have been a lot more emotional investment too. Probably end TDK with him actually becoming Two-Face.
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Two-Face alone is not a good enough character to justify his own movie. The idea of Two-Face works best as the third act of a character arc, rather than a completely separate villain in a separate movie.

Ending the movie with Dent just turning into Two-Face, and not actually dealing with the ramifications of that right then and there, also just completely leaves TDK both narratively and thematically unresolved.
 
Plus the pseudo-realistic injury to Dent's face was stretching credibility anyway, the few hours that Dent was able to go about his business with his face half-open was ludicrous enough. Nolan's Two Face was never supposed to be a supervillain like Joker or Ra's, he was the tragically human consequence of the tussle between the Joker and Batman. He was a plot point, not something that keeps on running. Without his fall there was no ending to the movie.
 
Nolan wants to put us in the victim's shoes, thus the action is fast, confusing and over before you know it, or maybe he realised that zooming the camera out will show how ludicruous a man in a suite & cape fighting looks :P Seriously though, Big Daddy factory fight scene was good. Nolan can build suspense, that will have to do.
 
Rewatched Batman Begins and TDK over the last two days.

BB is still the better movie. The script is so tight, the pacing so good and the character motivations and themes so much more realized.

TDK I had to stop halfway through because on rewatch its just not as compelling. Though the final scene with Dent and Gordon is still probably Nolan's most - literally speaking, dread-full scene as it still packs quite an emotional, foreboding punch.
 
Scullibundo said:
Rewatched Batman Begins and TDK over the last two days.

BB is still the better movie. The script is so tight, the pacing so good and the character motivations and themes so much more realized.

TDK I had to stop halfway through because on rewatch its just not as compelling. Though the final scene with Dent and Gordon is still probably Nolan's most - literally speaking, dread-full scene as it still packs quite an emotional, foreboding punch.
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I agree
 
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