Momo said:This post makes it seem like you care very much about it
He is in the "I hate CFW" camp. He probably was trying to attack teh hackers. This time though his argument will probably backfire.
Momo said:This post makes it seem like you care very much about it
Bisonian said:So if you care for OtherOS and the ability to install Linux on your PS3, a "niche feature that few care about", that was advertised for the system and then taken away, then you deserve to be granted proper respect and not have a bunch of trolling posts aimed in your direction.
Bisonian said:If you care for the integrity of trophies, a "niche feature that few care about", that was advertised for the syste and then taken away, you deserve to be granted proper respect by having a line of people tee off by calling everyone fucking losers.
Seems fair. Obviously some reasons for enjoying a PS3 are much more important than others.
Not until we get back the search function and smilies, popular features that a lot of members cared about, that was advertised for the site and then taken away.Stumpokapow said:Hypocrisy resolved?
Rapping Granny said:I phrased it wrong.
I was talking about the people who go to all this trouble to hack and cheat for trophies, not people who just play the games and try to get them since I some what care about trophies, I was talking to the people who take it to the extreme and ruin it for everybody else.
How exactly is it ruining it for everyone else? I thought they were there to extend gameplay and give you something extra to do while playing or after you've finished the game. Someone else hacking their trophies doesn't affect me in the slightest.Rapping Granny said:I phrased it wrong.
I was talking about the people who go to all this trouble to hack and cheat for trophies, not people who just play the games and try to get them since I some what care about trophies, I was talking to the people who take it to the extreme and ruin it for everybody else.
electroshockwave said:I like them as a measure of my own progress and I like the little competition it adds when you compare your score to a friend's. This doesn't really change for me if someone I don't know cheats to make it look like they have 200 platinums
McLovin said:but but but I wanna play snes games on my ps3!
captmcblack said:Trophies, achievements and gamerscore suck, and have sucked since they were implemented.
While we were distracted by that shit, they took away the real free rewards and measures of prowess/skill for doing and finding cool stuff in games that had existed every year before 2005 - cheats, unlockable modes, bonus content, extra levels, etc - and turned them into paid DLC.
In 1994, we'd input a code on the character select screen for hidden characters.
In 1999, we'd run into a hidden locker in the game map to unlock new costumes.
In 2004, we'd collect all of a particular item or complete a series of sidequests to unlock ultimate weapons or a special extra mode after the completion of a game.
In 2011, we buy big head mode and an extra map or costumes as DLC that was on the disc already for $5.
lol @ us for preferring the right to pay for what we used to always have for free in exchange for a persistent list that says we beat 30 people with Ultra Combos in SSFIV.
Some rewards program and competitive trophy hunting I think.angelfly said:How exactly is it ruining it for everyone else?
I just don't see any difference between hacking trophies and groups that get together to farm trophies in games which seems to be perfectly fine with the same people complaining. AFAIK The rewards program was something that was pitched in a survey like PSN+ but I've never heard them actually say it was coming.Momo said:Some rewards program and competitive trophy hunting I think.
I'm not sure, I've never really been very into trophies but know folk who are.
Seriously. If this changes what you think about trophies, than you weren't thinking about them right in the first place.BigBadShamoo said:I fail to see how this effects one's personal enjoyment of a game. Trophies were shallow experiences anyway, this just prooves it lol.
Yup, in a second.RotBot said:I'd have all trophies and achievements abolished forever to get portable gamesaves back.
You're asking the wrong guy =P I can see a sense of invalidation setting upon people who struggled to achieve platinums and such before, now they can't simply be "hey I got 17 plats" without getting suspicious looks from fellow "trophy hunters".angelfly said:I just don't see any difference between hacking trophies and groups that get together to farm trophies in games which seems to be perfectly fine with the same people complaining. AFAIK The rewards program was something that was pitched in a survey but I've never head them actually say it was coming.
angelfly said:I just don't see any difference between hacking trophies and groups that get together to farm trophies in games which seems to be perfectly fine with the same people complaining.
jmdajr said:Your blaming dlc on trophies and achievements? I think we would have dlc regardless. Trophies and Achievements are just an extra incentive really for people to buy them. You don't have to bite. And what do extra costumes and horse armor have to do with achievements anyway?
captmcblack said:Trophies, achievements and gamerscore suck, and have sucked since they were implemented.
While we were distracted by that shit, they took away the real free rewards and measures of prowess/skill for doing and finding cool stuff in games that had existed every year before 2005 - cheats, unlockable modes, bonus content, extra levels, etc - and turned them into paid DLC.
In 1994, we'd input a code on the character select screen for hidden characters.
In 1999, we'd run into a hidden locker in the game map to unlock new costumes.
In 2004, we'd collect all of a particular item or complete a series of sidequests to unlock ultimate weapons or a special extra mode after the completion of a game.
In 2011, we buy big head mode and an extra map or costumes as DLC that was on the disc already for $5.
lol @ us for preferring the right to pay for what we used to always have for free in exchange for a persistent list that says we beat 30 people with Ultra Combos in SSFIV.
So I heard that there's a "Trophy Unlocker" homebrew...
captmcblack said:I'm not blaming anything on anything.
What I am saying is that DLC is the literal monetization of things we got for free for 25 years. Extra costumes, extra items, extra modes, extra maps, extra colors, etc...these are things that you got for free on consoles through roughly 2005 - no exceptions. You used to get those extras for doing stuff in the game that required skill (sidequests, beating every boss with zero damage, perfects in every round, beating the game in a certain amount of time, etc), or for having certain knowledge of the game that isn't disclosed obviously (secret codes, etc).
Come 2005, we no longer got those things for free. However, in exchange for not getting real gameplay-impacting stuff for free, we got gamerscore/trophies/achievements instead. You unlocked achievements instead of extra costumes/items/modes/maps/colors/etc. Those achievements have zero impact on gameplay, and they are used as the proof of skill or game knowledge in the same way the old-school unlocks, cheats, easter eggs and bonuses were. We can still get the stuff that actually impacts gameplay though...we just have to pay money for it now, whereas achievements and such are free.
Would we have DLC regardless? Of course we would. But if we still received substantial amounts of gameplay-impacting game content for free, the developers would have to provide more valuable things for our money. It'd be like the PC; when you buy DLC on PC, you get almost entire new games for the cost (or at least you used to; perhaps this is different now). I know for sure you wouldn't be able to get away with selling DLC that simply unlocks content that exists on the disc, that's for sure.
angelfly said:I just don't see any difference between hacking trophies and groups that get together to farm trophies in games which seems to be perfectly fine with the same people complaining. AFAIK The rewards program was something that was pitched in a survey like PSN+ but I've never heard them actually say it was coming.
captmcblack said:Would we have DLC regardless? Of course we would. But if we still received substantial amounts of gameplay-impacting game content for free, the developers would have to provide more valuable things for our money. It'd be like the PC; when you buy DLC on PC, you get almost entire new games for the cost (or at least you used to; perhaps this is different now). I know for sure you wouldn't be able to get away with selling DLC that simply unlocks content that exists on the disc, that's for sure.
captmcblack said:I'm not blaming anything on anything.
What I am saying is that DLC is the literal monetization of things we got for free for 25 years.
darkwing said:i guess you are not in the Playstation Rewards Beta then, but you are right, it may not be coming after all after this lol
Stumpokapow said:Of course, it's also the case that ballooning budgets caused the need for this secondary monetization (and in-game ads and and and and). If content production prices were what they were last gen, it's quite likely we'd still have unlockable costumes. When it takes a team of 200 2 years to make a game versus a team of 60-80 8 months, any corner that can be cut in terms of extra bonus tidbits and content will be--or if that extra stuff is produced, it's expected to justify its production cost. There are definitely pieces of DLC that are more cynical and pieces that are less, but on the whole it was a pretty logical growth in my mind.
Dunlop said:25 years ago game development did not cost the same as a blockbuster movie. The business model has evolved, if this was possible 25 years ago it would have been done.
I do realize that the point of your arguments is to continue to paint CFW in a good light no matter what the situation or hacks that will come out because of it.
Regarless of whether this is important to you (it is definately not to me), there are people who have invested tons of time in leveling their trophies, so this news if true will definately suck for them.
What are they giving away based on trophies?darkwing said:i guess you are not in the Playstation Rewards Beta then, but you are right, it may not be coming after all after this lol
angelfly said:What are they giving away based on trophies?
captmcblack said:Yeah, I get that...but you figure that there is only so much that is acceptable, you know? In this gen alone we've seen people put 2-player mode/multiplayer as DLC (RE5), paid bonus DLC that locked out multiplayer/MP beta (or whatever it was) for people for a month (Bad Company 2), and similarly nefarious things.
At what point do we go "okay guys, we get it - you'd charge for anything if you could" and start being like "fuck that"? I'm not advocating that people go hungry or lose jobs so that I can have my alternate Blanka costume for free, but still...damn, this gen.
NHale said:I guess people didn't hear about the Modern Warfare 2, InFamous, FIFA 10 or FUEL trophy exploits, where you can download a save and unlock trophies without doing anything. So yes, only now is this a problem...
But the best one is SOCOM: Confrontation where you can unlock ALL the trophies in one minute and this is a Platinum that everyone says it's very time consuming. A bunch of people used that exploit but they were never banned by Sony even with the timestamps showing that they unlocked everything in less than 1 minute.
So Trophies are "dead" a long time ago...
angelfly said:How exactly is it ruining it for everyone else? I thought they were there to extend gameplay and give you something extra to do while playing or after you've finished the game. Someone else hacking their trophies doesn't affect me in the slightest.
SolidSnakex said:Sony even agrees that it ruins it for everyone. The reason that the PSP never got trophy support was due to the system being hacked. Sony realized that it would be pointless to implement that system because you'd have people faking their trophy list.
NHale said:I guess people don't know about Modern Warfare 2, InFamous, FIFA 10, FUEL (+ a lot more) trophy exploits, where you can download a save and unlock trophies without doing anything.
Jinfash said:Not until we get back the search function and smilies, popular features that a lot of members cared about, that was advertised for the site and then taken away.
Thread over?iNvidious01 said:after some digging i found that it wont sync with sonys servers