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The King Of Fighters XII Official Thread
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BattleMonkey
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Kintaro said:
And a few more months and we will likely see SFIV fall off while SFIII remains.
Fersis said:
Just give it a week or two. The game just came out and there has not been a lot of talk for it over at the Shoryuken threads even for the JPN release. Although, the sad thing is, if the trend of negative impressions continue, you probably won't get too much discussion no matter how many threads are made.
LowParry
Member
Xater said:
Now that I think of it, no. Tekken's always been on that #1 spot.
But anyway, combos! That would be nice to discuss. I don't give a fuck if you think the game bombed or sales or whatever. Let's talk some game! I just don't know where to begin......
.....Robert rules!
Okay, well...here are some tiers from Arcadia from Oichi's site again. (Versus City)
Jump off from there I guess. It doesn't surprise me to see the FF team as strong. All three characters feel complete with a wealth of moves. Of course, since the game is still new here, who knows how these things will rearrange themselves.
Jump off from there I guess. It doesn't surprise me to see the FF team as strong. All three characters feel complete with a wealth of moves. Of course, since the game is still new here, who knows how these things will rearrange themselves.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Apparently Iori is supposed to have the best short range game of the whole cast and you can combo into his super from his command grab. Gotta start using him. Wonder where Elizabeth would be placed...
:lolShadow780 said:
I remember some guy at EVO said that he only played BB female characters or something like that and GAF raged hard.
Im my heart.bob_arctor said:
Yeah. He dominated.CcrooK said:
BattleMonkey said:
A SFIV update is coming soon. Besides the SFIII and SFIV crowd tend to hate the other game and think it's mindless. It's rare to see someone liking both.
2k2UM didn't get an arcade port until after the console version- which probably hurt it. 98UM was a modest success in the arcades- though it died off after SBO.
SBO is also an influence on those rankings, except for Deathsmiles.
Besides, the Japanese don't have a taste for good games as much as they do combos and lolis these days. You could make Mortal Kombat, replace the chars with lolis, add in a huge combo counter, and the Japanese would lap it up.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Fersis said:
I'm still sad that he lost his frankensteiner. HEY!
I just got it myself, and I don't quite agree with the rankings. I think Athena is a particularly strong character in this version. Some people probably freaked out from her lack of teleports, but she doesn't really need them. Her speed, combos, air abilities, and attack reflector make her pretty tough, maybe B class. Nowhere near Kyo domination though.
shaolin242 said:
Actually, it's funny you mention dumping Joe for Kyo. They both have fantastic low-combo game. Joe's crouching B Combo:
c.B - c.B- stand.B - fwd.B - Tiger kick
Is probably even more aggressive than Kyo's Comparable:
c.B - c.B- stand.B - downfoward.D
Both characters can make jumping an absolute nightmare, and have very strong pressure games. Kyo's super is probably much easier to land thanks to very nice invincibility when used right. Joe has a harder time comboing into his, thanks to slow start time, and no obvious invincibility.
I don't find either one really imbalanced, just ridiculously annoying to fight! They don't have to work as hard as, say, Clark. (-_-; ) But if you use the b+CD correctly, and really check their range with the proper Cs and Ds, their great strengths can also become their great weaknesses (since weak pokes are VERY succeptable to CCs.) Of course, that really shapes the battle into "how well can you counter your crazy opponent" and "What do you do AFTER those counters?" and if you're not good at those parts... well, you just found a new area to practice at!
(Or you just pick Goro, since he can absorb pokes while doing his hcf+C throw. THAT throws off some combo rhythm!)
Aaron said:
The biggest problem I have with Athena is her MASSIVELY SLOW RECOVERY off Psycho Sword. It's cute and very well animated, but it makes the move feel very risky. That leaves Psycho Ball and Phoenix Arrow, which both are still KINDA risky. I do enjoy how her CD Attack doesn't knock away as strongly as other characters, though, because it increases her combo options at midscreen, than if she was to knock them back like Clark.
I agree with the Robert love. I still play Art of Fighting 2 regularly because he's so frickin' badass in that game. Adjusting the vest after the Zanretsukyaku is just icing on the cake.
Kyo is definitely top tier. I got totally pwned by him online last night. You'd think after fifteen years of Kyo beating my ass down that I'd have him figured out by now, but nooooOOOoooo.
Kyo is definitely top tier. I got totally pwned by him online last night. You'd think after fifteen years of Kyo beating my ass down that I'd have him figured out by now, but nooooOOOoooo.
KingJ2002
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22 characters in a KOF game is not a lot of characters, many fan favorites were omitted and many of the characters in the game are shoto like... which leaves little variety which is why a game like blazblue is alot deeper.
Well... you should. these companies need to justify a 59.99 purchase and a lack of presentation isn't helping. It's half assed and does not provide the gamer with a better overall experience. It's wierd because the SNK of the past put more effort into things like this... it's not that hard to make a decent menu that explains what you're doing in there.
same with Capcom Vs. SNK 2... but all those dream matches had one thing in common. their arcade mode wasn't a time trial mode and they both all had bosses in the end.
they should concern themselves with creating sprites for standard HD first before they go out of their way for Full HD.
they could have added moves to replace them... that would be more in tune with this new fighting engine... instead they just remove them and leave the characters feeling unfinished.
Can't recommend a game with broken online play.
those are core... but the practice mode is bare and the online is broken.
sucks for them. SNKP should have worked on this game more to make it fully fleshed out... and they didn't.. why pay them for it? it's like hiring a carpenter to make a 5 bedroom house for you and he only makes 2 and 2/3rds... saying "he ran out of materials" and he needed to pay his collectors or he'll go out of business.
screw em is my motto.
personal preference and mai is a staple in the series like chun li for street fighter... for a rebirth title... the lack of "women's team" is wierd.
anotheriori
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Command throws nerfed in general, range on SAB isn't far. So-so normals. The only really new tools are airthrow and command hop which are only good near corner. Random command hop gets punched in the face. Damage is weak compared to real grapplers Goro/Raiden who have crazy range/priority/autoguard.Fersis said:
I guess you could look for counterhits then command hop onto combo.
anotheriori
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Sounds more like an attack on Arcana Hearts and probably uninformed as the Japanese players tend to keep playing games that have interesting mechanics and aren't so macho about the looks or female cast. The devs obviously made it so otakus would also play it.arstal said:
One of the more popular US games feature 3on3 dudes in spandex with super long combos and assists as well.
anotheriori said:
Yeah, Clark pretty much is a "Fish for counter hits" character. He has large amount of blowback on his CD and Gattling Punch, though, which are good for trying to push people into a corner.
If you DO get them there, know that if you gattling punch a person into the air, you can then quickly jump and Airthrow them. Which is actually pretty sweet.
If you counterhit with his crouch C, Hop in, and if you're deep enough, stand.D/C can be followed by the jet upper (df.A) before you do the SAB. Problem with the upper is that it only combos well if you're very close, otherwise, it misses alot.
cr.B-stand.A-SAB also combos. \
Hop is good for jumping under those who jump towards you. It's a great time to go for that cr.C counterhit!
If Clark had a better followup to all his blowbacks at mid-screen distance, and a command normal with some range, that made up for the lack of range for SAB by sucking people into it, I think he'd feel a lot better. I have to admit that his Hop feels like a revision of his old dash throws more than when I first saw him, but he does feel underpowered compared to the might of Goro or Raiden.
I think it'd be sweet if he got some moves derived from his hop.
BattleMonkey
Member
anotheriori said:
And garbage like Melty Blood which does extremely well on the charts.
AgentOtaku
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Been trying for 40 minutes ...not one damn online game played >=(
Seems like NO ONE in Europe even bought this ...then again, I guess it isn't out here so only importers would have it.
I'm fucked =*(
Seems like NO ONE in Europe even bought this ...then again, I guess it isn't out here so only importers would have it.
I'm fucked =*(
KingJ2002 said:
22 Character is a lot of characters for a new series. BB only has 12 and SF4 has just 4 more characters in its roster. Shoto like? So far I only count 3 out of 22 character that are shoto like. What game are you talking about? Cant be KOF12 thats for sure.
I buy a game for gameplay, not pretty menus.
Playing vs the CPU is just that, playing the CPU.
Then next time you fund Ignition.
Thats cause KOF12 doesnt play or have the same gameplay features as other KOF games behind it. You always have to take into consideration these features when moving 1 character to a different fighting engine. Thus why you play multiple Capcom fighting games and a lot of the characters play different. Example, Guile CvS2 to Guile SF4.
I couldnt either with BB untill it got patched.
I really want to know how Practice mode is bare bones. Please break it down for me.
It doesnt suck for them, it sucks for us. We are the ones that love the KOF series and its too bad that the netcode didnt come out as good as it should of out the box. Hopefully, this can be ironed out with the next patch cause gameplay wise they exceeded what they were trying to accomplish.
Fair enough, but Im talking about the extremist that wouldnt buy the game cause of the omission of one character. Its dumb.
Now for the important question that you seem to avoid. Why is CC so broken?
is the full move list in a pdf on the official site or anything anywhere, like with blazblue? its a bit annoying not having it in the manual or the practice page!
otherwise pleasantly surprised by how good this looks, i think with some patches it could be great. when it zooms out so that everything gets AA it looks wonderful
otherwise pleasantly surprised by how good this looks, i think with some patches it could be great. when it zooms out so that everything gets AA it looks wonderful
dragonflys545
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panda21 said:
It's on the practice page, you have to click R1.