oh wow. I guess that either shows how much or how little influence a single designer has on a game. Not sure which it is.
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The Last of Us (Naughty Dog): Hold One Second
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bumpkin
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Basically. Not much sense in throwing a bunch of resources into a launch window game for a console that won't have a deep market penetration (heh heh heh) for a fair amount of time.
Phoenician_Viking
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Larger install base does not translate into sales. Check Motorstorm franchise, Resistance franchise, Killzone franchise (i think 2 sold better than 3).
Personally i don´t think it´s good strategy at all. Instead of catering to 5 year old hardware, Sony should concentrate on making the PS4 very attractive console for consumers with good and varied games. But that´s just me.
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Like ps2 with God of War?
Callibretto
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what? since when? did Sony invent a cloning machine or something? I'm pretty damn surprised yesterday when I suddenly hear we got new AAA team out of nowhere when ND said they got 2 full team.
Nora Kisaragi
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is there a comparison photo of the 2 out yet? because i just can't see the resemblance =/
Agreed. Ridiculous, antagonistic hyperbole from people who think they're more intelligent than they are. Awful stuff.
Anyway, I see no reason not to get excited about this game. It looks awesome, and has a great team behind it.
Callibretto
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eh, the other line of thought is new console excitement is prime time for new IP to be turned into franchises where there's less competition and people more likely buy your game.
I think one of Ubisoft rep said it that we need new console so they can make new IP (to be milked for the next decade)
Motorstorm never sold great. Resistance has also always been a B-tier franchise, another remnant of the PS3 launch and a lot of people were done with the franchise after Resistance 2. Killzone 3 sold fine, but it reviewed worse than 2 and quite frankly was a worse title. PS3 first party titles never really seem to do gigantic numbers, certainly not on the scale of say a Gears of War or a Halo on the 360. Either way you're still far more probable to sell 3-4 million copies (roughly what Uncharted 3 did) on a console with an established install base and especially on a console where the developer's previous games sold well and are held in high regard.
Chiaroscuro
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Historically, new IPs performs better as new hardware launch titles.
I thought Enslaved was a fantastic game that had a lot of things right. I'm happy to hear that the director is on TLOU because where Enslaved was flawed are areas where Naughty Dog shines.
The loud minority eventually becomes the majority on GAF as always, as memes spread and the same group of people continually make it a point to interrupt any discussion about a game in question for untethered shit-slinging. I don't step into arguments about it because there are enough people who make it their business to take a dump on particular games and will stop at nothing to find one more thing that makes it a horrendous pile of rubbish - I'll just shrug my shoulders and continue to enjoy the games that I enjoy (and I enjoyed Enslaved and Heavenly Sword both very much)
It's just a shame for those developers that if they browse NeoGAF they'll be overwhelmed by the negativity. But then again, people learn through criticism, not just through praise, so if taken in carefully they could learn a lot and make their next games better and better.
The loud minority eventually becomes the majority on GAF as always, as memes spread and the same group of people continually make it a point to interrupt any discussion about a game in question for untethered shit-slinging. I don't step into arguments about it because there are enough people who make it their business to take a dump on particular games and will stop at nothing to find one more thing that makes it a horrendous pile of rubbish - I'll just shrug my shoulders and continue to enjoy the games that I enjoy (and I enjoyed Enslaved and Heavenly Sword both very much)
It's just a shame for those developers that if they browse NeoGAF they'll be overwhelmed by the negativity. But then again, people learn through criticism, not just through praise, so if taken in carefully they could learn a lot and make their next games better and better.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Agreed. I wasn't really impressed with the trailer, but the level of negativity here is confounding.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Someone posted a comparison of the three of them.
After seeing that... yeah, it's ellen page. haha
Callibretto
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not many people comment about Joel voice actor, but I really like it from what little line we heard from the trailer, when he said they'll take care of the body and get out of there, you can sense his desperation, or the sense that he just got out of tough fight, he sound exhausted or something. whatever it is, it didn't felt like he's just reading lines.
or maybe it's just me. some people here seems to doubt the voice actor or something.
There is no connection between Enslaved and TLOU.
The Lead Designer of Enslaved is just "a" designer @Naughty Dog now.
Nothing more!
No but not a bad idea
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Yeah... the line "quit this place" would be really easy to make corny... but he sells it real well.
Favorite line from the scene...
My mistake - though doesn't that mean there is in fact a connection? Didn't the guy state on a twitter that he's been working on TLOU and has had to keep it a secret?
Callibretto
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it sure is, can Ellen Page sue ND for using her digital likeness without approval? I thought sports dev need licenses to have digital likeness of athletes.
I still wouldn't have minded to see Nolan North in the game. Just like you'd see Harrison Ford in a new movie.
Maybe he'll appear as some side character.
They got away with Helen Mirren so they'll probably get away with this one too. ( Or maybe they actually ask for permission :? )
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
He's working on the game... but he's Naughty Dog now. They don't exactly hire a lot of scrubs.
People want to judge the guy on his resume? Well, working for ND is probably what folks should gravitate towards.
I'd guess it's dissimilar enough. The designers probably know what they can and can't do... It might not even be intentionally designed to resemble her. Just coincidence.
Callibretto
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Nolan North is probably the one providing that screeching screaming noise that creature made
So then what's the problem? I was just pointing out that the only things I didn't like about Enslaved are all things that Naughty Dog does exceptionally well (performance and level design for example) so it follows his influence would have a positive effect on TLOU since he'd have talented people around to assist on designing things where he might be weaker.
Callibretto
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maybe Helen Mirren is not aware of Uncharted 3, or don't mind someone using her likeness on it. I'm just wondering is ND does it without Ellen Page permission, and then Ellen Page decide she does not want her likeness to be used in the game, can she sue ND?
Chuck Norris
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Uh they'd have to prove that, and its a passing likeness at best
The character looks similar to Ellen Page, but it's nowhere close to being an actual digital likeness.
LowEndTorque
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Mark Richard Davies @Ninjafr4me 4 hrs Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Hmm reading the hate about yourself on NeoGaf is a tad depressing. Oh well - the game is going to be awesome
You guys are asses
Don't worry Mark. All that noise was pretty much just one poster with maybe one or two cohorts.
Now go make the haters and naysayers eat crow by pouring your heart and soul into this and producing the best game design (or whatever it is you are doing) that we have ever seen =)
Instead of being "depressed" get motivated to prove them wrong and give us some damn fucking good game design.
Jealousy? What do you mean?
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Chuck Norris
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Resistance sold over 4 million, Motorstorm sold over 3. Being a compelling early IP does a lot for franchises. Not being the best games meant those two lost a lot of potential return customers though.
You mean envy?
Jason's Ultimatum
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Press day.
I hope we get gameplay video.
I hope we get gameplay video.
Nora Kisaragi
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http://www.computerandvideogames.co...nslaved-lead-designer-doesnt-star-ellen-page/
so Ellen Page's name in this game is "Ellie"?
so Ellen Page's name in this game is "Ellie"?
Don't get your hopes up too high. I could see this going for a big e3 press conference reveal.
thehypocrite
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Agree, posters need to back off for a bit and see/play the game before presenting vacuous opinions.
Well, not really, because it won't look, feel etc. etc. like Enslaved.
He is working on TLOU but he is just one designer. They have a lot more.
Naughty Dog has its own Lead Designer
Callibretto
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if you look through the character designer trash bin, you'd probably found a note saying 'make it look like Ellen Page' lol.
I agree. This has all the makings of wowing people like they did with the Uncharted 2 demo. By not showing any gameplay at all the hype will build itself up.
SolidSnakex
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There are countless game characters that resemble celebrities, so this is nothing new. I don't think any lawsuits have happened over it even though there have been cases where the character or art looks exactly like a celebrity. Just look at Balrog's SF2 art or the character portraits from Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Those are blatant.
Callibretto
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the next footage we see might be E3, but I don't think you'll hear nothing about the game from now till then. it'll be in magazine previews with screenshots and some more insight about the character/world/enemies and what the gameplay might look like.
btw, in a way, I'm glad this trailer don't have gameplay footage. in a trailer made to sell the characters and the world, what gameplay sequence you can put into a few seconds left of the trailer other than action scenes. if they include that, the Uncharted with zombies comment will go even more crazy than now.
No doubt we'll hear about it in previews. We'll hear quotes like (just an example) "it's I Am Legend meets Resident Evil" or some shit and people will let their imaginations and expectations run wild. We'll have a basic understanding of how it plays and who the characters are by the time the first gameplay demo hits at E3.
ViewtifulJC
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I'm so tired of these shitty, bad framerate, black and white gifs from Tumblr
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