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The Official Ace Combat 6 thread of narrative bloat and online joy
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Red Blaster
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Finished it earlier tonight. Was enjoying it in the beginning but after completing the campaign and screwing around in online for a bit, I'm pretty disappointed. As everyone knows by now, the narrative and story are insultingly bad. It's a little depressing considering how impressive the story presentation was in the 4th game. Voice acting and the cutscenes were also not as good as in previous titles.
The large battles were awesome for the first few missions but the fact that almost every one of them required me to take out fucking half a country's military just burned me out. I also hated how on the harder difficulties, AWACS would basically scream at you to go work on other operations while you were occupied with one. The mission variety pales in comparison to AC5 and thus sours the pacing of the game, quite a few of the missions seemed like retreads towards missions from older AC games but with about 30 times the number of enemies. They also stripped out a lot of stuff from past iterations: the plug-in system/ branching paths from ACX, the pilot ranking system/different plane squadrons from Zero, boresight aiming, number of planes and missions (I believe with only 15 missions this is the shortest AC in quite a long time). The Allied Attack system is not bad in theory but it could use some workm hopefully it makes it into the next one. Online mode just sucks. Barely anyone is playing and the few games I've played have just degenerated into people flying around in circles using the High-G and firing either QAAMs or XLAAs. It's evident that the development team doesn't really know how to make an online game, doesn't really matter though as leaderboards are all that AC really needs.
Hopefully Namco changes things a bit for AC7, I've grown a little tired of the typical fly-through-the-tunnels, battle an elite squadron of fighters, blow up an enormous superweapon formula that Project Aces adheres to.
The large battles were awesome for the first few missions but the fact that almost every one of them required me to take out fucking half a country's military just burned me out. I also hated how on the harder difficulties, AWACS would basically scream at you to go work on other operations while you were occupied with one. The mission variety pales in comparison to AC5 and thus sours the pacing of the game, quite a few of the missions seemed like retreads towards missions from older AC games but with about 30 times the number of enemies. They also stripped out a lot of stuff from past iterations: the plug-in system/ branching paths from ACX, the pilot ranking system/different plane squadrons from Zero, boresight aiming, number of planes and missions (I believe with only 15 missions this is the shortest AC in quite a long time). The Allied Attack system is not bad in theory but it could use some workm hopefully it makes it into the next one. Online mode just sucks. Barely anyone is playing and the few games I've played have just degenerated into people flying around in circles using the High-G and firing either QAAMs or XLAAs. It's evident that the development team doesn't really know how to make an online game, doesn't really matter though as leaderboards are all that AC really needs.
Hopefully Namco changes things a bit for AC7, I've grown a little tired of the typical fly-through-the-tunnels, battle an elite squadron of fighters, blow up an enormous superweapon formula that Project Aces adheres to.
Barbacoatl
Banned
I hate it when you crush just when you're about to finish a long mission. Serenity now. Other than that, I really like the game; never played the ps2 versions of it and to be honest, I don't care that much.
robot
Member
:lol The aircrafts movement looks really weird in that replay. Awesome paint scheme though.
I'm about to fly Mission 12 and absolutely love the game. I haven't played an Ace Combat game since #2 on PS1, so obviously this is a huge leap of quality for me. The game's a little on the easy side, but I can't wait to replay some of those missions on a harder difficulty (especially 9 or 10, whichever was the huge dogfight)
I guess my only complaint is there's a little too much air to ground fighting - doesn't feel like much of a challenge sweeping past these ground forces with a barrage firepower. I don't mind the cut scenes too much, they're pretty funny in a cheesy way.
I'm about to fly Mission 12 and absolutely love the game. I haven't played an Ace Combat game since #2 on PS1, so obviously this is a huge leap of quality for me. The game's a little on the easy side, but I can't wait to replay some of those missions on a harder difficulty (especially 9 or 10, whichever was the huge dogfight)
I guess my only complaint is there's a little too much air to ground fighting - doesn't feel like much of a challenge sweeping past these ground forces with a barrage firepower. I don't mind the cut scenes too much, they're pretty funny in a cheesy way.
Red Blaster said:
Boresight aiming is in there - I never use it, but stumbled on it by accident.
I disagree with most of your points, but I guess that's because I'm not tired of the formula. Overall I found the game to be significantly better than AC5, which is the most recent I've played.
Your points re: online are fair, but are to a certain extent inherent to the genre I'd say. People seem to love Crimson Skies online - I've never played it. Are there any obvious modes from that game which AC6 is lacking? It seems as if expanded coop would be the only effective way to address your principle online concerns.
"Maam, how did you get these?
blonde proceeds to rat out the guy
If it wasn't for the military-run government being overthrown at the end (lame) and we saw the guy executed, it would have been funny enough to make up for how bad the story was
And Chopper >>>>>>>> Shamrock. Chopper went out in style while Shamrock didn't even die (pussy). Also Chopper wouldn't move in on a recently dead pilot's wife and kid (although I doubt the mom is who Shamrock is interested in...)
blonde proceeds to rat out the guy
If it wasn't for the military-run government being overthrown at the end (lame) and we saw the guy executed, it would have been funny enough to make up for how bad the story was
And Chopper >>>>>>>> Shamrock. Chopper went out in style while Shamrock didn't even die (pussy). Also Chopper wouldn't move in on a recently dead pilot's wife and kid (although I doubt the mom is who Shamrock is interested in...)
Red Blaster
Member
gkrykewy said:
How do you activate it? In Zero it was done by pressing R3.
6 is quite similar to Zero and X so if you've skipped those then I could see how you wouldn't be bored with it. If you enjoy the enormous battles, then I could see one preferring it over 5. But AC5 still does so many other things better.
It's not the modes, it's the way the game feels online. They didn't tweak the gameplay at all for multiplayer, it feels like a novelty. I think maybe adding blackouts and redouts would make things significantly more interesting as people can't just do batshit crazy stunts to avoid missiles all the time while hoping to get lucky with QAAMs.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I'm enjoying it pretty well. Plan on finishing the campaign tonight.
My one big complaint is that I just saw that it had online co-op which had me really excited. But wtf, 2 goddamn co-op stages? Go to fucking hell namco. And it looked like one of them was just a rehash of a campaign mission. Seems like they just scraped something together to get a new bullet point.
Would have been nice to actually do the campaign missions in co-op
My one big complaint is that I just saw that it had online co-op which had me really excited. But wtf, 2 goddamn co-op stages? Go to fucking hell namco. And it looked like one of them was just a rehash of a campaign mission. Seems like they just scraped something together to get a new bullet point.
Would have been nice to actually do the campaign missions in co-op
Warm Machine
Member
Just finished the game. Credits rolling now. Great game, I just wish they would have written a better story.
BudokaiMR2 said:Would have been nice to actually do the campaign missions in co-op
I don't understand why they could not have done that? That's like the easiest co-op mode to implement ever and there's tons of planes as well. Wished they followed the score mode in Halo 3 , that's what made co-op so addictive in Halo 3.
Warm Machine
Member
I don't like how the story in the Ace Combat games is being told by a 3rd person. I also don't like how they never show the character you are supposed to be. It makes me feel disconnected from the events around me.
Red Blaster
Member
Warm Machine said:
The faceless pilot is a essentially a series trademark. However, Ace Combat 5's story directly follows the events around your flight unit and not through some distant perspective like the others. What sucks is that it seems they'll never revisit the formula in the Japanese version of Ace Combat 3 which featured pretty lengthy anime cutscenes with fleshed out characters and multiple endings.
Then again Project Aces isn't (exactly) the same team that did the PSOne games or Ace Combat 04.
Adam Blade
WWKC
icecream said:
... in Soviet Russia idol sings...
Wait, what?
icecream said:
Impress Game Watch has slome slightly bigger pics for those that are interested.
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20071116/ace6.htm
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Wait, so are all these DLC planes new or can they be unlocked in the main game? I'm guessing the Idolmaster plane is new.
after finsihing up todays session of Mass Effect I put this on for a quick multiplayer with a bud to figure stuff out in a private room as it just came out.
Its now 2 hours later and I will be goosed tomorrow morning but my god SO MUCH FUN on multi from just formation flying to dog flights to co-op.
Still need to learn a tonne but it was ace (also had the Top Gun soundtrack on repeat and giggled like a child).
Its now 2 hours later and I will be goosed tomorrow morning but my god SO MUCH FUN on multi from just formation flying to dog flights to co-op.
Still need to learn a tonne but it was ace (also had the Top Gun soundtrack on repeat and giggled like a child).
Just started playing this game last night and having never really liked an AC game in the past before (or never really exploring them beyond the first couple hours), I'm way into AC6.
Just did the snowy mountain campaign mission, around 6 or 7, and having a blast just feeling the massive battles and chaos. Graphics are also insanely good at any altitude except a couple hundred feet.
Playing on normal and getting S and A's on all my mission objectives... which can't be right since I know I suck at flight games, even if they're arcadey.
So what's a good way to avoid an incoming missile? Is there a way to lock onto an incoming missile so you know which way to juke? I'm just randomly juking left and right and rolling around and it seems to do the trick but I don't feel very bad ass.
Also, what's boresight aiming? How do you activate it? I love getting kills with the vulcan cannon so someone tell me!
Awesome game so far -- not sure if I'll ever play multiplayer but hit me up if you want to rape me.
Just did the snowy mountain campaign mission, around 6 or 7, and having a blast just feeling the massive battles and chaos. Graphics are also insanely good at any altitude except a couple hundred feet.
Playing on normal and getting S and A's on all my mission objectives... which can't be right since I know I suck at flight games, even if they're arcadey.
So what's a good way to avoid an incoming missile? Is there a way to lock onto an incoming missile so you know which way to juke? I'm just randomly juking left and right and rolling around and it seems to do the trick but I don't feel very bad ass.
Also, what's boresight aiming? How do you activate it? I love getting kills with the vulcan cannon so someone tell me!
Awesome game so far -- not sure if I'll ever play multiplayer but hit me up if you want to rape me.
GrayFoxPL
Member
For me the best AC game I played was japanese AC3. Giantic story with branching paths and multiendings. It was like full lenght anime. It also had cyberspace and the space battles, but it fit well with the whole SF-anime formula. It was awesome, epic, full 3cd ride. Then they cut everything out and rammed the missions into one disc for euro release :lol.
AC4 was tiny in comparsion, but it's such neat little package, you can play it over and over again on harder difficulties. Great gameplay and very replayable. Good story.
AC5 played only the demo so I don't really know anything about it.
Never played AC Zero an AC6.
I wanted to get into AC again but don't know what would be the best to get AC5, Zero or AC6.
Could someone advise? Red Blaster?
I remember Zero got a backlash from reviewers, but is it really bad? I always wanted to buy it.
Oh and btw. Idolmaster on fighter planes is an insult for all airborne. Wtf was namco thinking.
AC4 was tiny in comparsion, but it's such neat little package, you can play it over and over again on harder difficulties. Great gameplay and very replayable. Good story.
AC5 played only the demo so I don't really know anything about it.
Never played AC Zero an AC6.
I wanted to get into AC again but don't know what would be the best to get AC5, Zero or AC6.
Could someone advise? Red Blaster?
I remember Zero got a backlash from reviewers, but is it really bad? I always wanted to buy it.
Oh and btw. Idolmaster on fighter planes is an insult for all airborne. Wtf was namco thinking.
The multiplayer is quite excellent. My favorite 360 mp experience. It's not perfect, but the devs are working at fixing the main glaring issues (penalties for crashing, less points for using higher-end weapons eg. QAAMs). I'd buy the new mp maps, but no one would play them - which is a shame (the vanilla Siege map is pretty cool, but people rarely play it already). I bought the previous Team Battle DLC1, but haven't even had a chance to play it yet. At least it was only 100pts. The pricing is starting to seem a bit expensive.
I'll probably still pick up the co-op map here. I'm a sucker for that.
The Ace of Aces mission 1 sounds expensive. After all, it IS mission 1. If they do this for all missions, it'll really start to add up. That being said, it seems they at least put some work into it:
(from Acecombatskies forum member Tomcat man
I quite enjoyed the singleplayer. My main issue was that it was too easy. I love a good challenge. If these provide that, I might have to bite.
I'll probably still pick up the co-op map here. I'm a sucker for that.
The Ace of Aces mission 1 sounds expensive. After all, it IS mission 1. If they do this for all missions, it'll really start to add up. That being said, it seems they at least put some work into it:
(from Acecombatskies forum member Tomcat man
I quite enjoyed the singleplayer. My main issue was that it was too easy. I love a good challenge. If these provide that, I might have to bite.
Namco has announced new DLC for this week, hits tomorrow.
You can view screenshots here: http://forums.exophase.com/showthread.php?t=6328
You can view screenshots here: http://forums.exophase.com/showthread.php?t=6328
