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The Oily, Gentlemanly Super Spin Fighter 4 Reveal Thread of Kunoichis and Karatekas
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Snapshot King
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Threi said:
Well we all know TO ain't bringing nothing to the table.
myDingling
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So much ridiculous fucking talent in that one photo alone. All made possible by the arcade scene in socal. YJDK.
sixteen-bit
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that Mike Ross believe photoshop always puts a smile on my face
NinajHeartless
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_dementia said:
Mike Ross gives hope to Honda players everywhere (me) :lol
There are other implications that are relevant to both the casual joe and hardcore fighting fans here:
No arcade version means no location tests. For those who don't know, location tests are days where a company will pull several of their beta machines to an arcade, and eager players will attempt to learn the as much as they can about the new game. This data is used by the developers to help balance the game.
Conversly, no arcade version means that the developer can feel free to make any changes they wish to the console version without fear of splitting the community.
A great example of this is Soul Calibur 3. It initially came out on console only, and the balance was TERRIBLE. Many people attributed this at the time to the lack of location tests. After some time, Namco released SC3: AE to both console and arcades. Basically it was an updated version of the game, and the balance of this version is credited as being one of the best in the series.
Now I know Street Fighter isn't Soul Calibur, and Namco isn't Capcom, so history isn't necessarily going to repeat itself. All I'm saying is that there is some benefit to a console only release that should interest everyone playing. I do genuinely that the lack of an arcade release, and the lack of participation by the pros in Japan is going to hurt this games popularity. I also believe that fighters have lagged behind other genres far too long in adaptability because of Japans bloated and flailing arcade industry.
No arcade version means no location tests. For those who don't know, location tests are days where a company will pull several of their beta machines to an arcade, and eager players will attempt to learn the as much as they can about the new game. This data is used by the developers to help balance the game.
Conversly, no arcade version means that the developer can feel free to make any changes they wish to the console version without fear of splitting the community.
A great example of this is Soul Calibur 3. It initially came out on console only, and the balance was TERRIBLE. Many people attributed this at the time to the lack of location tests. After some time, Namco released SC3: AE to both console and arcades. Basically it was an updated version of the game, and the balance of this version is credited as being one of the best in the series.
Now I know Street Fighter isn't Soul Calibur, and Namco isn't Capcom, so history isn't necessarily going to repeat itself. All I'm saying is that there is some benefit to a console only release that should interest everyone playing. I do genuinely that the lack of an arcade release, and the lack of participation by the pros in Japan is going to hurt this games popularity. I also believe that fighters have lagged behind other genres far too long in adaptability because of Japans bloated and flailing arcade industry.
Snapshot King
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The console characters all turned out fine, and they were all house balanced. All Bs and Cs aren't they?
GotchaForce
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Blueblur1 said:
People care because of stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ4Sg-IpOvE. Fighting games aren't faceless affairs like shooters have turned into.
myDingling
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Blueblur1 said:
I don't care that you suck at Halo.
Snapshot King
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Arde5643 said:
I wouldn't really say thats fair, considering no reputable series aside from Soul Calibur has ever done a console only game. You're putting SSF4 next to stuff like Evil Zone and Destrega instead of realizing this is more of a new situation.
sixteen-bit
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What? Soul Calibur III Arcade Edition never got a home port.Zanken said:
None of the console characters are really tourney-proven though since you have a really small sample of great players using those console characters.Snapshot King said:
The only I'm seeing as tourney worthy is Gen. The others, you still have too small of a sample to see whether or not they can be used reliably in tournaments.
The only one using Sakura reliably is Saber.
The only one using Rose reliably is Saqs.
From what most people are saying though, almost all of the console characters save for Gen/Seth are lower tier to low middle tier. So C to D ranks.
black_vegeta
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Blueblur1 said:
GTFO!
myDingling said:
The way I see it; The argument isn't about us little people not caring about an arcade release or not. (Because the arcade scene is essentially dead to us.) The argument is about the elitists telling us little people that we should care....and basically thank the tourney-players for keeping the genre alive.
Kintaro said:
Will Japan not get SUPER on consoles?
My bad, I guess the thread does move too fast for its own good.LosDaddie said:
The OP should probably be updated with this excellent posts from Oichi.
Read up this posts, Los:
Oichi said:
Basically, without an arcade release, the Japanese scene for SSF4 and SF4 will die down pretty quickly since the pros will just play something else in the arcades and just play SSF4 casually at home.
Since the fighting level will go down because of this, that'd be less people interested in competitively playing the game.
Even assuming that the lack of SSF4 arcade would effectively kill the game for Japan, I don't see how that's going to affect us as much as people think. The Marvel scene isn't exactly tiddlywinks and it's basically a US-only game.
Snapshot King
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Yknow what I don't get? There's so much crying and gnashing of teeth going on in here. What does it matter? Your whining isn't going to change anything. Why not save your energy? Play some SF4.
Read up the posts from Oichi - the arcade scene is still going strong in JP, so having a fighting game not released in arcades means that JP won't play it competitively.LosDaddie said:
If there's no competition in a fighting game scene, well, that means said fighting game is dead.
That's it, really.
Since you're really hung up on semantics....LosDaddie said:
Capcom is leaving the Japanese competition scene high and dry.
myDingling
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Snapshot King said:
I wish. I'm at work goddamnit.
Snapshot King
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Maybe you should get back to work then. Less stressful than listening to all these crybabies :lolmyDingling said:
LosDaddie said:
Did you see how well SF4 sold on consoles in Japan? The answer is, not very. Super SF4 will sell even less.
They don't play these games at home as much as they do in the arcades. What is so hard to understand about this? If the arcade scene was alive and well anywhere near me, I wouldn't have bought SF4 either.
LosDaddie said:
It's not that they don't want to, it's that they literally can't. Japanese culture is different. You don't just go to people's houses and hang out like in the West. Do you think they are going to overhaul their entire culture to accommodate one game? Remove trains and replace them with more roads and vehicles? Replace urban sprawls with huge houses, and then sell them for sub-prime mortgage rates?
They'll just play something else.
Arde5643 said:
You guys really underestimate the creative ability of Americans. It's not Magical Sugoiland that brings the innovation- it's getting the game first. We'll innovate just fine.
Japan can always put the consoles in boxes, or play on PSN/XBL (not like they lag with each other)
That said, they'll get an arcade release- I'm sure of it.
So much whining over this- this thread needs more Heavy Weapons Guy at this rate. ^_^
Oh, Justin Wong is going to start using Fei Long to see if he's tourney worthy. I'm betting he is.
Snapshot King
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Once again, something that no ones ever even addressed. So WHAT if the japanese skip the game ENTIRELY? Over here we'll start up console scenes like the one I mentioned in Montreal. THAT one is working out amazingly well. Are you saying that the rest of the world is too fucking lazy to even give it a shot? Or that without the MAGICAL ASIAN DAIGO SKILLS the scene'll die?
jaundicejuice
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Snapshot King said:
I would play but I have to go get some oral surgery :/
Snapshot King
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jaundicejuice said:
Fuck dude. I feel your pain. Hopefully you'll get gassed real good
Well, losing a great competitor is still a big loss though - mostly for those who follow the scene or play the game competitively.arstal said:
This is pretty much like how it will feel if the UFC suddenly bans all Brazillian fighters on joining the UFC.
Sure, you still have excellent and talented American/Canadian/UK/European fighters in the UFC, but can you still call it the best in the world?
PS: In case you don't follow UFC scene, the best middleweight and light heavyweight fighter in the world are two Brazillians who are pretty much untouchable by most fighters.
That's how it feels for people who follow the SF4 scene when they heard that Japan won't be getting the updates in the arcades.
sixteen-bit
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PC version ftwmyDingling said:
myDingling
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Snapshot King said:
Fucking god.
Private console get togethers != public arcade competition
They're harder to put together.
You can't get as many people.
Individuals need to put in work as opposed to business operating for profit.
You tend to play the same people over and over and don't learn much beyond that.
Snapshot King
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Arde5643 said:
Because he doesn't believe that the top level guys are the only ones keeping the genre alive SF4s a flavour of the month to him? We're all friends here, how bout we hop off the discredit train and STOP CRYING.
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