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[Team Andromeda]

A 750ti can play 4K games, just as my PS4 PRO…...I've played many 4K games on it......Does it mean the 750ti and PRO are 4K pieces of kit? no, not close...….Yet they do play quite a few games at 4K, even moreso the PRO over the 750ti......….So marketing can say it plays games at 4K, but yet it's not a 4K native machine....

Tell me this when you see a 4K badge on a TV do you it expect it to be 4K?.
The 4K logo is clearly on the PS4 Pro box, it's used in SONY PR and the system is quite poor at handling 4K, it doesn't even have 4K BluRay playback.
The One X does a much better job and like I said the 4K logo is on the SOC inside the system.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Same shit, different day.

 

[jshackles]

 

[thelastword]

you just said the Pro was never marketed as a 4k and now disproved you say about a 750ti , just accept you were wrong on this occasion

Tell me this when you see a 4K badge on a TV do you it expect it to be 4K?.
The 4K logo is clearly on the PS4 Pro box, it's used in SONY PR and the system is quite poor at handling 4K, it doesn't even have 4K BluRay playback.
The One X does a much better job and like I said the 4K logo is on the SOC inside the system.

Can you play 4k games on PRO? Yes, Can you play 4k Games on a 750ti? yes...….PRO enhanced titles were made to look better on 4K TV's, but they never said it was a 4K native machine, just that it can play 4k content, which happens to include 4k native games, CB, DR etc......But they never marketed it as a game's console which plays every game at 4k native....


OK here is this quote from Cerny, the Chief Architect of PRO.….He said it's not a 4k native machine, you would need much higher specs for that...

Cerny said

"Incidentally, he mentioned that his personal estimate is that rendering at native 4K across the board would require a minimum of 8 teraFLOPS of computing power, and thats not something that can be achieved at a reasonable price this year. That said, users will be able to discern the difference between games on PS4 and the improved versions on PS4 pro at a glance."

Then Sony said this;

"PS4 Pro: Dynamic 4K Gaming & 4K Entertainment"

https://support.playstation.com/s/article/PS4-Pro-Dynamic-4K-gaming-4K-entertainment?language=en_US

The above clearly says it's not a 4k native machine, over and over again....They were always on about CB, the ID buffer, Geometry rendering, wavefronts and tonne of other techniques that's not native......Now take that messaging and compare it to.....this below..


By Phil Spencer.....

“I look at [PS4] Pro as more of a competitor to [Xbox One] S than I do to Xbox One X,” claims Spencer. “This is a true 4K console. If you just look at the specs of what this box is, it's in a different league than any other console that's out there.” Spencer points out 40 percent more GPU speed, more RAM, and the speed of storage as the advantages of the Xbox One X over the PS4 Pro, but he also knocks Sony’s methods for getting to 4K resolutions with some of its games. “When I think about techniques to somehow manufacture a 4K screen like what some other consoles try to do, this is different than that.” Spencer also says he expects the majority of consoles that Microsoft sells next year will be Xbox One S."

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview


It's a different message entirely...……..Can we agree?

 

[The Cockatrice]

All their stuff is fucked at launch and most still buggy as hell.

Kotor 2 (bug filled and broken. Still great though)
New Vegas (though its still a fine game)
Alpha Protocol
Pillars of Eternity (Enjoyed it)
Tyranny(still very broken)
Pillars of Eternity 2 (Piece of shit)
Neverwinter Nights 2 (even community can't fix it)
Stick Of Truth (was surprising not a buggy mess)

When Chris Avellone left is when the last real talent at Obsidian left.

I'm ready for numerous game breaking bugs in Outer Worlds. Those 4K textures and resolution bumps will be irrelevant compared to the power of Obsidian's QA department or shall I say... Lack of it. They are a scummy company at the top. Just ask Chris Avellone

Damn and I thought I was the only one who thought PoE2 was absolute garbage. It ran like horse shit on a high end PC and quests were broken as hell. I also laughed every time it rained in that game because it looked incredibly bad and tanked the frames a lot. Stick of Truth being a great game was probably Ubisoft's Q&A and not Obsidians.

 

[phil_t98]

Can you play 4k games on PRO? Yes, Can you play 4k Games on a 750ti? yes...….PRO enhanced titles were made to look better on 4K TV's, but they never said it was a 4K native machine, just that it can play 4k content, which happens to include 4k native games, CB, DR etc......But they never marketed it as a game's console which plays every game at 4k native....


OK here is this quote from Cerny, the Chief Architect of PRO.….He said it's not a 4k native machine, you would need much higher specs for that...

Cerny said

"Incidentally, he mentioned that his personal estimate is that rendering at native 4K across the board would require a minimum of 8 teraFLOPS of computing power, and thats not something that can be achieved at a reasonable price this year. That said, users will be able to discern the difference between games on PS4 and the improved versions on PS4 pro at a glance."

Then Sony said this;

"PS4 Pro: Dynamic 4K Gaming & 4K Entertainment"

https://support.playstation.com/s/article/PS4-Pro-Dynamic-4K-gaming-4K-entertainment?language=en_US

The above clearly says it's not a 4k native machine, over and over again....They were always on about CB, the ID buffer, Geometry rendering, wavefronts and tonne of other techniques that's not native......Now take that messaging and compare it to.....this below..


By Phil Spencer.....

“I look at [PS4] Pro as more of a competitor to [Xbox One] S than I do to Xbox One X,” claims Spencer. “This is a true 4K console. If you just look at the specs of what this box is, it's in a different league than any other console that's out there.” Spencer points out 40 percent more GPU speed, more RAM, and the speed of storage as the advantages of the Xbox One X over the PS4 Pro, but he also knocks Sony’s methods for getting to 4K resolutions with some of its games. “When I think about techniques to somehow manufacture a 4K screen like what some other consoles try to do, this is different than that.” Spencer also says he expects the majority of consoles that Microsoft sells next year will be Xbox One S."

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview


It's a different message entirely...……..Can we agree?

Can you not agree you said they didn’t advertise it as a 4K console when they did?

the Pro ain’t a bad console at all but it’s aimed differently than the X

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Oh for FUCKS SAKE, do you have to do this in EVERY FUCKING THREAD...

Corny isn’t going to jump out your screen and give you a blow job, you know. The Pro is a good but loud little machine that can run games at a decent enough res but is, really, a 1440p box. The X can push much more but usually doesn’t get the attention it deserves to do this. The pro has the same near enough memory and so won’t get texture enhancements. The X has much more and so, does.

Fuck off. No more to say. Grow the fuck up, watch some porn, jerk off or something. Jesus Christ. You were banned and then came back EXACTLY the same. Sort it out.

 

[Stuart360]

Nice to see TheLastWord back to his old 'thread derailing' self. That lasted long.

 

[Bogroll]

I've connected my Pro up to my 1080p tv, It suits it better as the rez that the games lately are coming out don't scale up to 4k tv's very nicely. I'm starting to see what Phil Spencer meant now as in closer to Xbox s.

 

[Damian Monroe]

Can you play 4k games on PRO? Yes, Can you play 4k Games on a 750ti? yes...….PRO enhanced titles were made to look better on 4K TV's, but they never said it was a 4K native machine, just that it can play 4k content, which happens to include 4k native games, CB, DR etc......But they never marketed it as a game's console which plays every game at 4k native....


OK here is this quote from Cerny, the Chief Architect of PRO.….He said it's not a 4k native machine, you would need much higher specs for that...

Cerny said

"Incidentally, he mentioned that his personal estimate is that rendering at native 4K across the board would require a minimum of 8 teraFLOPS of computing power, and thats not something that can be achieved at a reasonable price this year. That said, users will be able to discern the difference between games on PS4 and the improved versions on PS4 pro at a glance."

Then Sony said this;

"PS4 Pro: Dynamic 4K Gaming & 4K Entertainment"

https://support.playstation.com/s/article/PS4-Pro-Dynamic-4K-gaming-4K-entertainment?language=en_US

The above clearly says it's not a 4k native machine, over and over again....They were always on about CB, the ID buffer, Geometry rendering, wavefronts and tonne of other techniques that's not native......Now take that messaging and compare it to.....this below..


By Phil Spencer.....

“I look at [PS4] Pro as more of a competitor to [Xbox One] S than I do to Xbox One X,” claims Spencer. “This is a true 4K console. If you just look at the specs of what this box is, it's in a different league than any other console that's out there.” Spencer points out 40 percent more GPU speed, more RAM, and the speed of storage as the advantages of the Xbox One X over the PS4 Pro, but he also knocks Sony’s methods for getting to 4K resolutions with some of its games. “When I think about techniques to somehow manufacture a 4K screen like what some other consoles try to do, this is different than that.” Spencer also says he expects the majority of consoles that Microsoft sells next year will be Xbox One S."

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview


It's a different message entirely...……..Can we agree?

The Pro box & Red Dead say hello

 

[phil_t98]

The Pro box & Red Dead say hello

Maybe they meant PS4 konsole? Hahaha

 

[thelastword]

The Pro box & Red Dead say hello

That's not saying it's 4k native though...…..Even when DF mentions 4K mode on PRO and XBONEX, it doesn't means it's native......It can be DR, CB etc....2160p output is not 4k native...…...

 

[phil_t98]

That's not saying it's 4k native though...…..Even when DF mentions 4K mode on PRO and XBONEX, it doesn't means it's native......It can be DR, CB etc....2160p output is not 4k native...…...

What do you think it means to the general public? It means native 4K when they see 4k

 

[thelastword]

What do you think it means to the general public? It means native 4K when they see 4k

Are you not part of the general public, you seem to understand it just fine...……..If you understand it why can't they?

 

[phil_t98]

Are you not part of the general public, you seem to understand it just fine...……..If you understand it why can't they?

No I am a gaming fan and read posts online, they see 4K tv and know the tv is 4K so they see the console and game advertised as 4K so in no way would they think it does not have full 4K resolution. Surely you can see that in the way it’s advertised?

 

[Stuart360]

Its funny how these things go around in circles. TheLastWord is basically saying what Greenberg said (was it Greenberg?) with his infamous 'you realize all games will output at 1080p on you tv right? when he was responding to the 900p concern trolling, something Sony fanboys gave him and Microsoft shit for.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Oh for FUCKS SAKE, do you have to do this in EVERY FUCKING THREAD...

Corny isn’t going to jump out your screen and give you a blow job, you know. The Pro is a good but loud little machine that can run games at a decent enough res but is, really, a 1440p box. The X can push much more but usually doesn’t get the attention it deserves to do this. The pro has the same near enough memory and so won’t get texture enhancements. The X has much more and so, does.

Fuck off. No more to say. Grow the fuck up, watch some porn, jerk off or something. Jesus Christ. You were banned and then came back EXACTLY the same. Sort it out.

He doesn't learn, and won't learn. It's beyond obvious at this point. The mods revealed that he has a history of baiting people with console wars rhetoric and then reporting anyone that responds to him with that same shit. People need to stop giving him attention and let him just fade away.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Its funny how these things go around in circles. TheLastWord is basically saying what Greenberg said (was it Greenberg?) with his infamous 'you realize all games will output at 1080p on you tv right? when he was responding to the 900p concern trolling, something Sony fanboys gave him and Microsoft shit for.

This is mental. Olympic tier mental gymnastics.

 

[Stuart360]

He doesn't learn, and won't learn. It's beyond obvious at this point. The mods revealed that he has a history of baiting people with console wars rhetoric and then reporting anyone that responds to him with that same shit. People need to stop giving him attention and let him just fade away.

If even the mods are saying that, why isnt he perma banned?

 

[Xaero Gravity]

If even the mods are saying that, why isnt he perma banned?

They've given him plenty of chances, I'm guessing because at the very least he doesn't get personal with insults, which I can appreciate.

Here's the post in question

Staff - NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

People are going to be sliding into your DMs now.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

The Pro box & Red Dead say hello

Hahahaha 4k or some other variation of 4k (2160p) is mentioned FIVE TIMES on that screen. How do you answer this thelastword ? Hahaha

 

[Nikana]

I'm so dizzy from this thread.

 

[thelastword]

No I am a gaming fan and read posts online, they see 4K tv and know the tv is 4K so they see the console and game advertised as 4K so in no way would they think it does not have full 4K resolution. Surely you can see that in the way it’s advertised?

Reading forums is not the only way to know about technology...…...In any case, people don't just buy stuff anymore...….With so many lawsuits around, even the guy on the best buy showfloor has to be more upfront.....Dad may not be tech savyy, but I'm sure he has a tech savvy friend which he will call or he will consult his son who plays games all day is his basement...….People are more aware of marketing speak more now than anything. Even TV and youtube teaches you these things..
.

Its funny how these things go around in circles. TheLastWord is basically saying what Greenberg said (was it Greenberg?) with his infamous 'you realize all games will output at 1080p on you tv right? when he was responding to the 900p concern trolling, something Sony fanboys gave him and Microsoft shit for.

The messaging was never about True 4K or native 4k...…….which I've given many excerpts of....The messaging in this ad should not fool anybody really.....


Anyways, I see what's going on here, so I'll bail out of this thread.....People who were never interested in the contents of this thread are now here......

In any case...I'm glad the dev decided to do a bit more with PRO hardware in outer worlds, looking forward to the analyses.....

 

[phil_t98]

They've given him plenty of chances, I'm guessing because at the very least he doesn't get personal with insults, which I can appreciate.

Here's the post in question

Staff - NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

People are going to be sliding into your DMs now.

www.neogaf.com

Ah good to read that, and it makes a lot more sense to the ban. Makes it even more funny that some people created a post welcoming him back.
Thanks for sharing

 

[Mod of War]