I agree, especially with the fact that the Wii U should have launched in place of the Wii. People who want to defend the Wii, whatever, I can understand it. People who want to sit and say that the Wii was better than the SNES are either very young or out of their minds. Greatest console ever made? I struggle to say it's not the worst console I've ever owned.
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The Wii was such a good console.
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I agree, especially with the fact that the Wii U should have launched in place of the Wii. People who want to defend the Wii, whatever, I can understand it. People who want to sit and say that the Wii was better than the SNES are either very young or out of their minds. Greatest console ever made? I struggle to say it's not the worst console I've ever owned.
SatoAilDarko
Member
My favorite video game system.
Own close to 200 physical games.
Live that it lives on within Wii U.
Own close to 200 physical games.
Live that it lives on within Wii U.
UncleSporky
Member
They rebalanced the game a bit in the transition, I thought it worked pretty well with the pointer.
Trauma Team is just amazing in every respect.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Never played Phantom Brave, is it better on Wii or PS2?
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
The system had legitimately amazing games! I miss the sheer variety of quality games. :3
LegendofLex
Member
Sure, but it's not as though its library existed in a vacuum where no other games could be played. A lot of people say backward compatibility is probably overvalued, and they're right, but Wii was really first out the gate with really blowing the lid off a company's back catalog and making all the best stuff available on the new system, and I think that deserves more credit than it often gets.
And the cycle continues.
2001 - "The Gamecube sucks!!! no third party support, controller is crappy, its kiddie!!!"
2007 - "The Gamecube was perhaps the best console that Nintendo made!!! It had a lot of awesome first party games, the controller is amazing for smash bros. it was a great generation!!"
2006 - "The Wii sucks!!! no third party support, I hate motion controls, its kiddie!!! and lolTheName"
2013-15 - "The WiI was an amazing console. It had great first party games!!!"
2012 - "The Wii U sucks!!! They lost third party support, sales are failing, gimmicky and crappy gamepad controller, worst console ever made!!!
2017? - "The Wii U was a great console. Sales were failing but it had great first party games, and the gamepad controller was very unique!!"
2001 - "The Gamecube sucks!!! no third party support, controller is crappy, its kiddie!!!"
2007 - "The Gamecube was perhaps the best console that Nintendo made!!! It had a lot of awesome first party games, the controller is amazing for smash bros. it was a great generation!!"
2006 - "The Wii sucks!!! no third party support, I hate motion controls, its kiddie!!! and lolTheName"
2013-15 - "The WiI was an amazing console. It had great first party games!!!"
2012 - "The Wii U sucks!!! They lost third party support, sales are failing, gimmicky and crappy gamepad controller, worst console ever made!!!
2017? - "The Wii U was a great console. Sales were failing but it had great first party games, and the gamepad controller was very unique!!"
I came here to post something similar. The Wii was a piece of shit hardware-wise so I will have to disagree with the OP.
I was already coming off of being soured by the decisions that led to Nintendo having a lack of third party support on the GameCube. When it was becoming apparent how the Wii would stack up against the competition hardware-wise, I have since written off Nintendo consoles.
While I thought waggle was a terrible replacement for a button press, I thought the Wiimote as a pointer was fantastic for RE4, Metroid Prime, Dead Space Extraction, World of Goo, Sin and Punishment etc.
Not to mention all the games that didn't require either, like Monster Hunter Tri, Fire Emblem and Xenoblade. I played those three with a classic controller for a total of over 500 hours.
Crimsonlink
Member
Man people bought more than 5-12 games for the Wii? News to me personally.
Smash, Zelda and like 3 other games were all I had for my Wii library. Its just not a good console imho.
Smash, Zelda and like 3 other games were all I had for my Wii library. Its just not a good console imho.
SirUltimos
Member
I see that a lot of people are already disagreeing, but I agree with you. Nintendo was in top form through most of the generation, and it got a lot of very unique third party support. A lot of the mid-tier development that disappeared from the HD Twins migrated to the Wii.
I've said it before, but I think that history is going to be very kind to the Wii. Once the memory of the shovelware has faded and it's power disparity is no longer a sore point, people are going to have great things to say about it's library.
I've said it before, but I think that history is going to be very kind to the Wii. Once the memory of the shovelware has faded and it's power disparity is no longer a sore point, people are going to have great things to say about it's library.
EatinOlives
Member
Yep.
2008 were some dark, dark times. After E3 ended that year I finally said to myself "well, I guess it's finally time to buy a non-Nintendo console for the first time ever".
There was a 360 under the Xmas tree that year.
UncleSporky
Member
You can really tell the people who kept an eye out for good games vs. those who just wandered past the Wii section in Wal-Mart occasionally and scoffed at the selection which was often shovelware + Mario Kart.
It really wasn't that hard to find the gems, though.
It really wasn't that hard to find the gems, though.
Jonneh3003
Banned
But you just said you only bought 5 games, how do you know if the rest of the library is any good? The Wii is full of fantastic hidden gems.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I'm 33.
As a first party machine, I'd take the Wii over SNES any day and I LOVED the SNES first party lineup.
When talking third party support, SNES is obviously the better system overall.
Yeah, if I only bought Killzone Shadowfall, inFamous: Second Son, and Bloodborne, I'd probably think the PS4 was pretty underwhelming as well, despite one of those games being amazing.
So true. It actually makes it pretty easy to find out whose opinions are safe to completely disregard.
GoldCrusader
Member
I only played the Wii one but it's supposed to be a remake of the ps2 game. So I would guess the Wii one is better.
Edit: I did a quick research and the Wii remake is also ported on psp.
EmptySkyForm
Neo Member
There should be way more cons than that.
The wii lacked basic social features. Friend codes were dumb, sending messages was stupid because you had to exit the game to see messages. IIrc you couldn't tell if you have received a message until you turn the system off. No invites to games. No notifications. No profiles. Basically connecting to other people greatly enhances your experiences in gaming. And this is coming from a person who rarely uses party chat.
DownGrader
Member
Reasons for this are:
a) when the platform is "finished", and when it doesn't need to compete with other platforms in the same generation (including the competition for player's wallet), it's easier to appreciate its legacy and its library
b) they are all Nintendo consoles with both high-quality Nintendo games and those quirky features which make Nintendo consoles "not like the others".
I'm not sure how you can say Nintendo was in top form then. Aside from Galaxy and Punch Out, most of their efforts seemed lack luster compared to the other titles in their franchises.
Oddly enough 3rd party titles are the real stars of the Wii library for me.
ninjablade
Banned
Repackaged Gamecube with waggle as a nextgen console. Pretty crappy console but even then, I wont lie it has the most interesting Nintendo Games since the N64. Could have been amazing if Nintendo Actually Cared about making at least as half as powerful as a 360.
I'm absolutely amazed anyone can hold an opinion like this when looking at the sales of the Wii vs Wii U.
sixteen-bit
Member
I think it's because it's easier to look back at a console library in retrospect instead of contemporaneously in the moment, software droughts and all.
Crimsonlink
Member
Everyone in support of the console is mentioning an absurd amount of games they bought for it. What games were they? Besides 1st party from Nintendo, what else was there?
1st party from Nintendo is roughly 25-40 games depending on preferences and stuff.
3rd party has 1000s of shovelwares but what were the quality ones? I'm expecting answers like Xenoblade and Monster Hunter to be top contenders lol.
1st party from Nintendo is roughly 25-40 games depending on preferences and stuff.
3rd party has 1000s of shovelwares but what were the quality ones? I'm expecting answers like Xenoblade and Monster Hunter to be top contenders lol.
depths20XX
Member
I really didn't like this console. I have no real memorable experiences with the console outside of the novelty of the motion control stuff with friends when it first came out. Mario Galaxy and Donkey Kong were cool though.
I don't know how old are you or if you have ever played old games.
When you play an old console you won't think at the context there was at the time because you are playing the console right now (when that context doesn't matter anymore or even when you can't know the context because you weren't even born).
All you have before your eyes is the game itself (which is obviously dependent on the hardware).
Xenoblade is first-party.
Jonneh3003
Banned
I mentioned quite a lot in the OP and i've seen a few thrown around in the thread like Trauma Team and Zack and Wiki
There was a lot of weird stuff on the Wii you dont really see anymore in the console retail space. Stuff like de Blob, Boom Blox, Deadly Creatures, Mushroom Men, Endless Ocean, the Trauma games, Sin & Punishment... The list goes on!
I'll always appreciate the Wii for being the last bastion of console B games. They are sorely missed nowadays and its a gulf that indies are yet to fill, imo.
Nintendo's output was pretty stellar too, even if not considered the best in their respective series.
I'll always appreciate the Wii for being the last bastion of console B games. They are sorely missed nowadays and its a gulf that indies are yet to fill, imo.
Nintendo's output was pretty stellar too, even if not considered the best in their respective series.
Dangansona
Member
Yup. OP also needs to rethink some of those games he listed. Didn't even include Zack and Wiki or Madworld.
SirUltimos
Member
It's all a matter of opinion, really, but for the most part I preferred Nintendo's output on the Wii more than I did, say the Gamecube. Their main franchises were better than their Gamecube iterations (for the most part) and they had a lot of new quirky ideas, some of which worked and some of which didn't.
MrSaturn99
Member
Amazing console marred by the third-party shovelware avalanche and really bad scheduling. Remember when "Nintendo abandoned us!" was a thing?
Otherwise, loved the hell out of it. Although sometimes I do wonder what would've happened if they went HD...
I can't speak for everyone else, but I highly doubt I'll change my change my opinion of the Wii U in the future. The first-party output's great, but the overall misdirection of the console has been quite disappointing for me.
Otherwise, loved the hell out of it. Although sometimes I do wonder what would've happened if they went HD...
I can't speak for everyone else, but I highly doubt I'll change my change my opinion of the Wii U in the future. The first-party output's great, but the overall misdirection of the console has been quite disappointing for me.
You're listing a lot of ancient platforms that most of us probably played the hell out of back in the day. That's moving the goalposts a bit. For just the Wii library, no, I don't think it compared favorably to the competition. And in terms of library + functionality, including graphics, online services, content delivery, etc. the Wii was the worst console of its generation by a significant margin, in my opinion.
I don't see it. I bought a Wii and sold it after about a month or two. The console didn't entertain me and my kids kept going for the PS3 and Xbox. Hey, I'm not going to say "stop liking what I don't like". Maybe for the Wii's audience those offerings WERE fantastic. edit: and I say this as someone who owned an SNES, N64, and Gamecube, and enjoyed all of them.
UncleSporky
Member
If given the choice, deserted island style, being able to play all games on SNES or all games on Wii for the rest of my life, I'd probably pick Wii.
Wii has Xenoblade and Monster Hunter Tri. That's like 1000 hours right there.
The Endless Oceans, the Trauma Centers, The Last Story, the first party including Prime Trilogy, two mainline Zeldas, one of the best Mario Karts, the Galaxies...it's an incredible library.
I guess I don't have enough nostalgia for SNES, and/or I feel like I never need to go back to that well again.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I don't know, maybe you should read the op.
Not sure what's wrong with Xenoblade and Monster Hunter Tri, as they're both great games.
I'm certainly not going to argue with you here. I don't hold the same level of nostalgia for the SNES either, despite loving it.
Dangansona
Member
What? I know we are just talking about your opinion, but name one Nintendo franchise that is better on Wii other than mario galaxy.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Wii was fun for about 10 minutes until you realized Nintendo gimped it with 2001 tech and forced waggle. 99% of the time I found myself wishing I had a normal controller and don't even get me started on their friend code bullshit which RUINED online multiplayer. Third party support was mostly crappy spin-offs and shovelware; the only thing Wii had going for it was the virtual console. Easily Nintendo's worst system yet it somehow sold a ton because it became a fad/ late 00's pop culture icon.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Easily THE most underappreciated gaming software library in history. Hardware wasn't great but the games were fantastic.
So many people missed out on so many great games because of "lol SD grafx!!!1!!"
Also, LOL at anybody talking about shovelware. The beloved PS2 was just as bad. Also, the attach rate for Wii was right near 360 and PS3. GAF for some reason thinks it wasn't even close, which is ludicrous.
So many people missed out on so many great games because of "lol SD grafx!!!1!!"
Also, LOL at anybody talking about shovelware. The beloved PS2 was just as bad. Also, the attach rate for Wii was right near 360 and PS3. GAF for some reason thinks it wasn't even close, which is ludicrous.
Always-honest
Banned
It had great games but i was sad that it was so underpowered. Games really looked horrible on a HD tv. Asside from a handful of games.
But i agree, was a great family console. I had a lot of fun with it.
But i agree, was a great family console. I had a lot of fun with it.
LegendofLex
Member
I think it's a bit of an assumption that the people buying game consoles in 2006 were the same people that bought them in the 80s and 90s (I never owned an NES or an SNES), and even if they were, that they didn't see access to those libraries as valuable (which is especially weird since VC was apparently a really vibrant platform sales-wise). It certainly isn't true that most of the people who bought Wii ever owned a GameCube.
Fact of the matter is, that the Wii had access to all those games makes those games part of its library. It's moving the goalposts to say "well, those games don't count because reasons." I'd certainly consider the 20 or so VC games I bought as part of my Wii library, especially considering VC was the means through which I played most of them to completion for the first time, and replayed at least once or twice.
Many of the games on the VC service are my favorite games ever; it doesn't matter that they first released on "ancient platforms."
DownGrader
Member
I feel this applies more to the DS than the Wii. Anyways, first-party franchises which did make a transition to the current generation are mostly better than its last-gen counterparts.
Super Smash Bros. 4 > Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Mario Kart 7 > Mario Kart DS
Mario Kart 8 > Mario Kart Wii
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds > Zelda: Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks
etc.
However, many franchises haven't transitioned (Wario Land, Advance Wars, Battalion Wars) or we've yet to see the result of the transition (Star Fox, Metroid). Therefore, the stars of last gen library are:
third-party titles
Nintendo games which haven't got a current-gen sequel
Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2
That's exactly the reason I will never be able to talk shit about Wii U. This console re-introduced me to Nintendo games, which I only glimpsed on before, and damn it re-introduced me.
GoldCrusader
Member
Also the Wii has the awesome remake of Klonoa but sadly it was sooooo overlooked by people.
Sad that such a great character never got any big success. Probably my favorite mascot-like character too.
Sad that such a great character never got any big success. Probably my favorite mascot-like character too.
clevbrowns94
Member
I did like a lot of the games on the console. It has some classics and some actually decent third party games. I didn't really like the controls, however. I wish that a lot more games had classic controller support (like DK returns for example) and you didn't have to plug the classic controller into a wiimote. I also didn't like constantly having to change the batteries, which was even a pain with rechargeable batteries. Overall, I like the Wii U more, and I'm glad you can transfer virtual console games over and play Wii games on the gamepad (well at least view them on the gamepad, they need to fix that for more games).