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The Witcher 3 controls like shit
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ExtinctionEvent
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Of course it doesnt, I'm shocked someone tried to use the sales excuse.
Totally agree with you. Combat isn't great but it's fine. And some think the alternative option barely does anything? It absolutely does, if you've tried it. People can harp on the controls all they want, but for me, the game had mostly incredible writing/quests/characters to keep me going. Admittedly I am the type who cares more about story compared to gameplay. I'll happily play on the easiest difficulty to get to the story quicker (like I did with Witcher 3).
thelastword
Banned
Yeah, absolutely OP, the combat is also pretty poor, but I guess the story, quests and openworld tried to make you persist...I think if the game was harder with these controls and combat it would not have reviewed so well....So instead of people just defending a poor part fo the game, they should probably encourage the devs to improve there, because if another Witcher game comes out with such a fault, it won't fare as well...
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
I dunno about that, everything about an RPG. The skills, level up, quests, you fight more than anything else. Everything is built around fighting and getting more powerful at it. Gameplay is always vital RPG or not. Story is more important in an RPG though, but more than gameplay? I would never go that far.its what makes games, video games.
The combat can be really good at times actually
as someone who didnt like the combat and movement to begin with, go with the alternative control scheme with a controller. Makes everything feel much more nice.
It feels weird to make minute movements, but it feels like Red Dead or other Rockstar games in movement.
Hey guys, don't tell him this, but when I got the Witcher 3 for my PC I played with a 30 fps lock and I enjoyed the combat still. I also used a controller on PC.
as someone who didnt like the combat and movement to begin with, go with the alternative control scheme with a controller. Makes everything feel much more nice.
It feels weird to make minute movements, but it feels like Red Dead or other Rockstar games in movement.
Hey guys, don't tell him this, but when I got the Witcher 3 for my PC I played with a 30 fps lock and I enjoyed the combat still. I also used a controller on PC.
Rellik
Member
Do people seriously not check the settings in their games? It's the first thing I do.
thelastword
Banned
No, RPG's are not a new genre....There have been so many great RPG's that have nailed both, it's also not the first witcher game, so this is no excuse. Story and combat are equally important in an RPG.....Playing through a 100hr game becomes a delight when you know the combat and controls are ace...
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Said it a million times before but I've never had a problem with the controls or combat in Witcher 3, especially the Alternative control method. It might not have the best controls ever but it's more than fine. Playing on a 360 controller, on PC at 60fps+ really helps too, as the controls are more responsive than at 30fps.
With how some people bang on about it being terrible, I'm guessing some people never played Witcher 1 and 2 because Witcher 3's controls feel like Bloodborne in comparison.
With how some people bang on about it being terrible, I'm guessing some people never played Witcher 1 and 2 because Witcher 3's controls feel like Bloodborne in comparison.
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
Exactly, combat is crucial in any RPG. Gameplay is always vastly important.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Because it controls poorly.
Sure, but I have a feeling that you're in the minority - especially if you're comparing between PC players who are more likely to drop settings/resolution to be able to play at 60FPS. The Witcher 3 is one of the best games of all time despite its gameplay, which is one hell of an achievement in itself.
Parapraxis
Member
I must be a masochist, I really liked W3's controls, though i'll admit, it has a steep learning curve.
This game has far and away a better combat, and deeper combat then any other AAA WRPG that I can think of. The only one I think I liked more was Fallout 4, but they stripped a shit ton of WRPG elements as well when making that game.
It's hard to make a content rich game and make everything perfect. The Witcher 3 is definately not Dark Souls, but at least it's not Skyrim.
Minute movements are difficult, but I disagree that it controls poorly. It's decent, but it's definately not the best.
Don't gatekeep. Not everyone who enjoyed this game played on PC at 60 FPS.Many played on console, and many players dont have good PC's. Your experiences are different then a whole slew of people. You can sya "maybe you'd enjoy the controls at 60 fps on a M+KB instead" but claiming it's the only way to experience the game is silly.
AtomicShroom
Member
Not to mention really tons of unpolished rough edges, menus that are horrible in every aspect possible (laggy, poor navigation, poor UX, confusing, poor feedback, etc.), lots and lots of bugs, painful item management, etc...
CerebralTiger
Member
The mechanics in general are poorly implemented. The combat animations are played out randomly, so you never really know when Geralt will decide to waste a second to spin around before he actually attacks. There's little to no hit reaction/feedback. Collision detection is all over the place (just try and get a headshot with the crossbow lol).
There's a noteworthy drop in animation priority when switching over to alternative controls, but it's still not great or ideal.
I played it both on the PC and PS4. The game's flaws are inherent and unrelated to the platform. That said, playing it at 60fps definitely improves responsiveness (as with every other game out there).
There's a noteworthy drop in animation priority when switching over to alternative controls, but it's still not great or ideal.
I played it both on the PC and PS4. The game's flaws are inherent and unrelated to the platform. That said, playing it at 60fps definitely improves responsiveness (as with every other game out there).
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
Be hahaha...you joking? Horizon has far better combat, mechanics for one. As does mass effect, and numerous others.
Other than Bethesda , name a game that plays worse?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
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It's pretty damn good since they fixed the performance. The game not having very responsive controls (which is a fact - and I love the game) has nothing to do with what platform it's being played on.
Red Liquorice
Member
I got the GOTY edition in a deal a few months back and I just gave up after an hour, if that. Just the thought of playing a game that big that played that bad.... I just can't.
Tight, enjoyable controls are the baseline of what you should be going for as a game designer imo - at least for 3D action games. If you don't have that, I don't care how good the story is.
Tight, enjoyable controls are the baseline of what you should be going for as a game designer imo - at least for 3D action games. If you don't have that, I don't care how good the story is.
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
Not enough Deva are good at it, it always should be a top priority.
demosthenes
Member
I was afraid of this, it kept me from playing for a long time. Glad I finally did. Thought the complaints were greatly exaggerated.
Yeah I don't really get why so many seem to hate on TW3 controls. Seemed fine to me on PC. Is the console version controls different?
To me, it felt like there was natural momentum to Geralt's movement. It may have taken a little time to get used to, but I got used to it pretty quickly. When they patched in the alternate control method, I didn't like it. The movement felt... weird and artificial. Just my 2 cents.
MGS5 writing is bad I agree, but Horizon writing is great. John Gonzalez is awesome.
So like shit too?
I love Rockstar games but they are probably the AAA dev with the worst controlling open world games out there.
I will try later the alternative control scheme but with your Rockstar comparasion and with some people in this thread saying it doesnt change anything I am getting disappointed already :/
Edit: and now there are people saying the alternative control scheme is worse than the default one. I am scared now.
Blam
Member
I actually stopped playing the game entirely because of the movement system. I couldn't believe such a highly praised game had a movement system akin to the cars in GTA IV
Mass Effect 1 & 2 did not play all that well imo, or control all that well. Remember about combat design. The Witcher 3 has excellent combat design where you have to prepare before fighting an enemy, but the constant drowner and bandit fight aren't all that interesting. (Fodder in RPGs don't tend to be.)
Horizon does have better combat, but the little I was able to play it, the story, voice acting, character movements and attention to detail were all not nearly as good.
I never played Andromeda or 3. Andromeda came out after the Witcher 3, so it's hard to compare.
robotzombie
Member
People complained so much about Geralt controlling like shit they literally added an alternate option
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
You dont have to prepare, thats the issue, its too easy and not deep enough. Even on death march. The same few attack animations are poor.it really needs changes for the next game, as everything else about it is stellar. Its better than witcher 1 though .
The voice acting in horizon is very good, better than most of the witchers bad accents, but the quests and writing arent as good but what Is?
Um yes it does, gameplay is a reason among many why a game is rated highly or not.
There's much more that goes into combat design besides just movement. Im not saying that you are forced to like something, but just remember, we are both talking about games that have sold several million copies.
idk, I think the problems are heavily over exaggerated. It's not the best, but it shouldnt get int the way like you gys make it out to be
I had to prepare for certain fights, and I played on equivalent "medium" settings.
I didn't say gameplay, I said combat.
Gameplay is more than combat, and I think the mediocre element in W3 is combat, not gameplay.
ExtinctionEvent
Banned
OK than combat is crucial. The entire game is built around it, heck its his profession. ItS the single thing you do mire than anything else.
If you spent 350 hours in a game before realizing that you hate it. Then you have a problem.
-Music is Fantastic
-Very Good Art direction
-Very Good scene direction
-Fantastic voice work
-One of the most believably designed open worlds
And that's off the top of my head.
The reason why controls and combat are often the main points of criticism about the game is that they are among its very few undisputed weaknesses.
I understand not liking how Geralt animates, the combat (some hitboxes are poor, there's no denying that)... anything, really. But from my experience I would never call the controls "unresponsive". Geralt does exactly what I want to, when I want him to. And I played it at 30 FPS, since my rig is pretty old by now.
Combat should be better, it is not the best. This is true.
Its mediocrity is not such that the game is ruined in any great detail.
gate stormer
Member
Never understood the complaints with TW3 controls. I'd hate to see complaints if people played the first one however.
100% agreed OP, Witcher 3 could have been one of best games but controls are just bad compared to Horizon and MGSV. Controlling Geralt didnt feel good at all, sometimes I didnt feel I controlled him at all and that broke the emersion.
Edit ; Just found this video on Youtube, fuck didnt even know there was a setting for changing controls, now I want to play Witcher 3 again...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=agjn3O1Unrw
Edit ; Just found this video on Youtube, fuck didnt even know there was a setting for changing controls, now I want to play Witcher 3 again...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=agjn3O1Unrw
No they arent, not for me.
Horizon had good combat and I dropped it because it failed in those things W3 did well (story and world building).
W3 had mediocre combat, but I have 300+ hours on it.
Then again I love Dragons Dogma, though that game does get tedious with its open world elements.
adversarial
Member
I never understood these threads and the hate for its movement. Never had any issues controlling Geralt. However, it is the GOAT so it's only natural, I suppose.
You walk around and talk to people more than anything, two areas in which W3 is excellent.
Combat isn't great, as I said, but it's serviceable.
Good enough to support the great parts of the game.
I agree, also I think it looks like shit. But I know no one here will agree with me.
nelo_inc
Member
Agree.The world is very well designed and exceptionally recreated.
But not perfect, and Geralt movement is very sluggish even in combat.
nycgamer4ever
Member
Controls are shite in any platform. It's been Witcher's achilles heel since the first game. I mean it has mod to make the controls better! Combat is also one of the worst parts of the game. Of course it's not bad enough to take away from the brilliance of the writing overall quality of the game.
Could you expand on that. What do you mean you don't have to prepare? If your argument is that you can just spam Quen and light attack, I don't consider that a real argument because there are many games which most people consider to have much better combat systems that do not require you to utilize most of the options that they give you.
It's much more beneficial to you to use signs, to use oils, bombs, potions, read the bestiary so that you know what enemies are vulnerable to. It's worth your time to gather the ingredients for better oils, potions and bombs. At a certain point you definitely outscale the content of Death March, towards the back half of Act 1 I think (to be fair Act 1 is by far the longest act). But then Hearts of Stone ramps up the difficulty again.
So, could you spam light attack and Quen and power through 95% of the content? Yeah. But it wouldn't surprise me that if you're not using all the tools that you don't find the combat very interesting. It has its flaws, though as a real time action RPG system I think it does better than most outside of like Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls. It has far more interesting melee combat than Horizon as well, which I understand is not the focus of Horizon but I simply have very little interest in bow combat.
I wanted to type out an eloquent response, but this pretty much nails it.