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[Defective14]

Edgy. Cross not only aged terribly, but it sucked in its own time. Chrono Trigger is a classic that deserves a remake.

I played it recently and, to me, it hasn't aged terribly at all. It was way better than Trigger when it came out. Trigger has a remake on the 3DS, that's all it needs.

Cross needs a remake if nothing else.

 

[Meowster]

Cross is a fantastic game. Stop the blaspheming!

 

[Manmademan]

You know why FFVI sucks? Because of a playable cast of fourteen characters, only three of them manage to be women.

Three and a half.

No one knows what Gogo's gender is.

And two of those 14 (mog and umaro) are nonhuman monsters/creatures without an obvious gender.

 

[Kaisos]

To be fair, two of them are the closest thing the game has to a proper main character. I'd say Terra and Celes are the two most important characters in the game.

Yes, but it's still telling that in spite of the large cast size, there are only three women, just like every other FF game.

And two of those 14 (mog and umaro) are nonhuman monsters/creatures without an obvious gender.

Please, both are referred to as male.

 

[PSqueak]

I personally loved the "Spaceman" form, and i found hilarious/genius that said spaceman was a decoy and the real main unit was one of the little bits.

 

[mortal]

I thought you were going to talk about its sequel

Yeah, I came here just expecting the word "cross"

What sequel?

This is why we can't have nice things. Spoiled rotten smh.

Chrono Cross was a solid RPG, especially considering this came out on PS1. Gorgeous art and presentation, wonderful soundtrack, decent battle system, even a variety of recruitable party members.

It's not a perfect game sure, but at least worthy of some acknowledgement.

 

[TheDinoman]

Ha ha ha ha.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation/chrono-cross

Metacritic isn't everything, you know.

For example, FF13 has an 83 there. I'd imagine there being a lot of people not agreeing with that, to say the least.

 

[Sephzilla]

Yeah the fact that the humanoid spaceman centerpiece of the battle is just a diversion and the real Lavos is an inconspicuous orb was a really clever twist.

 

[Anoregon]

Chrono Cross is the anti-FF6 when it comes to characters. FF6 has a deep roster of characters that are all pretty fleshed out and interesting. Chrono Cross has a deep roster of characters, but most of them aren't fleshed out at all and are boring as hell.

Yeah, that's always been one of my main issues with Cross as well. Trigger was really well served by having a small cast and giving each party member an important chunk of development/exposition, usually in a way that related to the major events in their specific timelines. Cross just has too many to give most of them a reasonable amount of screen time. Outside of initial appearance gimmicks like "skeleton", "scarecrow", "alien, "baby dragon", etc, they all kind of get lost in the shuffle.

Then there's also the fact that the continuously expanding cast was the reason they cut the Magus/Gil storyline, which was just a terrible trade.

 

[Stone Ocean]

You know why FFVI sucks? Because of a playable cast of fourteen characters, only three of them manage to be women.

And two of them are among the most important characters in the main plotline, one being arguably the main face of the game

 

[Defective14]

This is why we can't have nice things. Spoiled rotten smh.

Chrono Cross was a solid RPG, especially considering this came out on PS1. Gorgeous art and presentation, wonderful soundtrack, decent battle system, even a variety of recruitable party members.

It's not a perfect game sure, but at least worthy of some acknowledgement.

Oh. Thought you were talking about Trigger there for a moment since you can shift a couple words and it's the same statement.

 

[Ishida]

Metacritic isn't everything, you know.

For example, FF13 has an 83 there. I'd imagine there being a lot of people not agreeing with that, to say the least.

Well, FFXIII deserves the scores, also.

And while Metacritic may not be everything, it's at least better proof for an argument on a game's reception than simply saying "it sucked for it's time", which has like... Zero proof.

 

[decoyplatypus]

My main irritation with Chrono Trigger is the number of unavoidable encounters. Other than that, I'm fully in the tank for CT.

 

[FlynnCL]

I usually dislike final bosses that are basically just a "heart", but it fit perfectly here. It's a small parasite, almost harmless looking, but even to its core it keeps defending itself by messing with your expectations on what or where it actually is.

 

[Celine]

I thought you were going to talk about its sequel

Lol

 

[StoneFox]

The bigger dude isn't even the real Lavos. The orb on your left is. You have to kill that one to win.

Yeah, people always seem to miss this.

 

[Grenchel]

Thanks op, now I want to replay Chrono trigger....

Is it available anywhere on current consoles? pc?

 

[L Thammy]

This thread reminds me. One of my friends refuses to play Chrono Trigger because he's afraid that it'll be as bad as Chrono Cross.

 

[Trojita]

I played it recently and, to me, it hasn't aged terribly at all. It was way better than Trigger when it came out. Trigger has a remake on the 3DS, that's all it needs.

Cross needs a remake if nothing else.

That wasn't a remake. Also Cross was bad then and even bad now.

 

[DarkConfidant]

Oh RevisionistGAF and your stealth CrossWasShit threads. I'm onto you.

Spoiler

The Lavos fight was lame, but most JRPGs seem to do that with final bosses. It's like when Sin just had a little blob dude inside of him called Yu-Yevon, in FFX.

 

[KojiKnight]

You know why FFVI sucks? Because of a playable cast of fourteen characters, only three of them manage to be women.

And yet, 2 of those women turned out to be amongst the best portrayed in any game, let alone a Final Fantasy one.

 

[Poltergust]

The only thing I didn't like about that final boss fight is the music. I much preferred World Revolution over this weird techno track.

 

[Defective14]

Thanks op, now I want to replay Chrono trigger....

Is it available anywhere on current consoles? pc?

It got a port to 3DS.

 

[antitrop]

Thanks op, now I want to replay Chrono trigger....

Is it available anywhere on current consoles? pc?

PC emulation or DS is the best way to play it, these days.

 

[Manmademan]

And two of them are among the most important characters in the main plotline, one being arguably the main face of the game

Exactly.

Cyan, gau, strago, setzer, and shadow are all clearly side characters irrelevant to the plot.

Terra and Celes are as close to main characters as that game has.

And as for the complaint that Mog and Umaro are referred to as male: it doesn't matter. Those characters have no intelligible lines, and no impact on the plot. They exist to fill combat slots and gender/sex is irrelevant.

 

[HeresSomeWeapons]

You know why FFVI sucks? Because of a playable cast of fourteen characters, only three of them manage to be women.

Troll post? I can't tell. Are we really basing the quality of a game on the genders of your party members?

EDIT:

Terra and Celes are as close to main characters as that game has.

Also this.

 

[Defective14]

That wasn't a remake. Also Cross was bad then and even bad now.

Well Metacritic disagrees with you. Overall score of 94? Better game play than Trigger? I mean...objective evidence is there, but don't let that stop you.

 

[Thaedolus]

It got a port to 3DS.

DS*

I just finished that version last night.

 

[Athreous]

I don't like CT, it's dragon ball rpg horrible art, eveyone's th same, just different hair and skin color =p

Flame shield on! xD

 

[Anoregon]

Exactly.

Cyan, gau, strago, setzer, and shadow are all clearly side characters irrelevant to the plot.

Terra and Celes are as close to main characters as that game has.

I always found Cyan kind of important just due to his very personal link/agenda to Kefka, what with his family being murdered. He's not on the level of Terra/Celes or even Locke, but he's not really a throw away/filler dude.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Technically, it's not a sequel. Radical Dreamers was the sequel to Trigger and Cross followed after that.

But boy! I love how in canon Crono is a coward. It's great.

What.

 

[antitrop]

The only thing I didn't like about that final boss fight is the music. I much preferred World Revolution

World Revolution is perfect.

 

[PSqueak]

You know why FFVI sucks? Because of a playable cast of fourteen characters, only three of them manage to be women.

Isn't the Mimic character heavily implied to be Setzer's girlfriend?

 

[Greatest Ever]

There are plenty of problems with Chrono Trigger, from the combat to the encounter design to the boring sections.

 

[jstripes]

And two of them are among the most important characters in the main plotline, one being arguably the main face of the game

Terra is everything Lightning could never be.

 

[Defective14]

What.

In canon, there's a peasant uprising and the royal family are forced to flee the country.

It's great.

 

[Defective14]

Isn't the Mimic character heavily implied to be Setzer's girlfriend?

There are several fan theories about who Gogo is.

Nothing substantial, as far as I am aware.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gogo_(Final_Fantasy_VI)#Identity

 

[Toth]

While we're at it, FFIV is a better Final Fantasy game than FFVI.

Didn't know people believed otherwise XD

FFIV > all

 

[L Thammy]

I don't like CT, it's dragon ball rpg horrible art, eveyone's th same, just different hair and skin color =p

Flame shield on! xD

It really is disgusting how Frog looks just like Magus.

 

[Seik]

You know why FFVI sucks? Because of a playable cast of fourteen characters, only three of them manage to be women.

I mean, I know that it's important to have a balanced cast, I'm all for it.

But to the point it makes a game suck solely because of the cast's genders? Boy oh boy, you're missing out on a lot of games with that logic.

 

[Manmademan]

I always found Cyan kind of important just due to his very personal link/agenda to Kefka, what with his family being murdered. He's not on the level of Terra/Celes or even Locke, but he's not really a throw away/filler dude.

He's entirely filler. Remove him and his side story from the game and nothing changes.

This isnt true for Terra, Locke, Celes, Edgar, or Sabin.

He's not down in the "completely pointless" tier with gogo, umaro, and Mog but he's not essential or even all that relevant to the game.

 

[Stone Ocean]

He's entirely filler. Remove him and his side story from the game and nothing changes.

This isnt true for Terra, Locke, Celes, Edgar, or Sabin.

He's not down in the "completely pointless" tier with gogo, umaro, and Mog but he's not essential or even all that relevant to the game.

Yeah, he's essentially the Black Panther of VI. Cool character with a fleshed out story but ultimately his story is its own thing

 

[PrimeBeef]

He's entirely filler. Remove him and his side story from the game and nothing changes.

This isnt true for Terra, Locke, Celes, Edgar, or Sabin.

He's not down in the "completely pointless" tier with gogo, umaro, and Mog but he's not essential or even all that relevant to the game.

Without his story wouldn't we miss out on Keflka poising his kingdom as well, giving even more depth to how mad/evil Kefka is?

 

[Anoregon]

I feel like "filler" implies the game would be better off or at least not worse off without him though, which I definitely feel is not the case. His inclusion adds to the overall experience of playing the game.

Without his story wouldn't we miss out on Keflka poising his kingdom as well, giving even more depth to how mad/evil Kefka is?

Yup. That scene is one of the main events that shows how depraved Kefka is before the world of ruin. He murders an entire kingdom just because he kind of feels like it.

 

[RedAssedApe]

This is true, but it's no sequel.

Semantics.

 

[antitrop]

I feel like "filler" implies the game would be better off or at least not worse off without him though, which I definitely feel is not the case. His inclusion adds to the overall experience of playing the game.

FFVI wouldn't be FFVI without Mr. Thou.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Without his story wouldn't we miss out on Keflka poising his kingdom as well, giving even more depth to how mad/evil Kefka is?

Not really, it's not like having Cyan around enabled the events in Doma to pass, he just made it personal.

 

[Defective14]

He's entirely filler. Remove him and his side story from the game and nothing changes.

This isnt true for Terra, Locke, Celes, Edgar, or Sabin.

He's not down in the "completely pointless" tier with gogo, umaro, and Mog but he's not essential or even all that relevant to the game.

He's important if only to show the lengths of Kefka's villainy and how he poisons the entire kingdom just to accomplish his goal.

Cyan isn't that important to the plot but he does have a personal vendetta against Kefka, no doubt.

 

[Anoregon]

FFVI wouldn't be FFVI without Mr. Thou.

Sir thou

 

[Eylos]

I agree with you op, the first form is way cooler and menacing