Soul of the Beast
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There's a reason why most new thrid party triple-A games are not planned for the Switch.
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THQ Nordic kinda disappointed by the Switch's power
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clarknova156
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Armchair Nintendo fans know a shit load more about programming and porting games over then you do THQ!!!
Yea... no really... yea....
Here we go again. Another generation of defending what is a fun and neat console but is far from its competition in actual muscle.
Yea... no really... yea....
Here we go again. Another generation of defending what is a fun and neat console but is far from its competition in actual muscle.
Kittehkraken
Member
You're right. Nothing going on in the background of Xenoblade or BotW, or any other Wii U game. Especially BotW with its physics engine. Silly me.
And I couldn't imagine Horizon 3 on the Switch because they couldn't even optimized it properly for the PC. It was built around the Xbox, and it showed with PC optimization.
But the Switch is capable of a Horizon 3 like game if the code wasn't designed around the Xbox or PS. The Wii U had a damn fine Need For Speed;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUd_vUjyMWQ
The Wii U ran third party games just fine. Its not like Nintendo were the only ones getting good results with the Wii U hardware. It just didn't get very many third party games because it sold like shit, but the ones it did get ran and looked just fine. Did a good job with what indie games it got as well.
Ruud_Luiten
Member
It's true; compared to other consoles Switch isn't very strong..
Godzilla's Left Toe
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That poster is just going to ignore this post.
yes, they just don't have the same budget. Battle chasers is a Kickstarter project realized in Unity. It would have never been made if it required Zelda-level amounts of money.
Also the Switch version is an afterthought, the core development team didn't plan for a weak Cpu.
Kittehkraken
Member
Waiting out the initial sales hype on a console that was just released so they don't spend time and money developing/modifying engines for another Wii U sales disappointment?
Soul of the Beast
Member
Take a slim PS4, make it 1/3rd the size and add a screen.
So not very possible or probable.
The main problem is Unity tbh. Runs like shit on every platform outside of PC, wouldn't surprise me if they couldn't get it to run well on the Switch.
Don't forget a car battery on your back, better watch out so it doesn't leak any battery acid!
And one is less than 20% the size of the other, runs on batteries, and integrates a screen and controller.
Don't be obtuse. Size, cost, and power are all linked.
Whenever someone says to me that the Switch is weak, and that it should be more powerful, I'll show them this picture:
And ask them where exactly they think the more powerful chips should go.
It usually also shuts down discussions about the battery.
We've know long before the Form factor of the Switch was leaked that an home-/handheld hybrid simply could not be as powerful as X1/PS4.
That is a ridiculous argument. The iPhone gets more powerful every year, despite being packed to the gills and getting thinner bit by bit as every year passes. There's also nm shrinkage etc etc. Come on now. That picture is irrelevant insofar as power evolution.
Still more powerful hardware? Nintendo decided it to be portable.
LazyDevs
Has it crossed your mind that it might just not economically feasible to throw your code that's fine for Ps4, Xbox and PC out of the window and restart at zero to create a Switch version that looks roughly the same but has technically nothing in common?
The truth is Nintendo's hardware priority is Nintendo's primarily.
They're getting better at third party, but GCN showed them going for power parity wasn't going to help them.
Regardless, they've ALWAYS innovated in hardware in ways that alienated them from third parties. Carts. Small discs. Weird buttons layouts. Motion controls. THIS IS WHAT NINTENDO DOES. ITS NOT A MISTAKE, ITS A HISTORICALLY TRACEABLE COMPONENT OF THEIR DNA.
Wii showed them they could go it relatively alone and make a crap ton of money.
Wii U humbled em.
Now they'll likely get better than Wii 3rd party support (along with more indies and collaborations with third parties), but still aren't trying for parity.
Switch isn't about cramming a PS4 or Xbone experience into a tablet.
It's about a hybrid system at a decent price with decent battery life.
Something had to give. And it was raw power. That's okay. It runs quite possibly the best game in a generation or two just fine AS A LAUNCH TITLE.
Graphics ain't quality folks. And if they is, go with god and I'll be playing AAA stuff on the go alongside Splatoon and MK8 over A CELLULAR NETWORK.
Value propositions don't have to be mutually exclusive kiddos.
They're getting better at third party, but GCN showed them going for power parity wasn't going to help them.
Regardless, they've ALWAYS innovated in hardware in ways that alienated them from third parties. Carts. Small discs. Weird buttons layouts. Motion controls. THIS IS WHAT NINTENDO DOES. ITS NOT A MISTAKE, ITS A HISTORICALLY TRACEABLE COMPONENT OF THEIR DNA.
Wii showed them they could go it relatively alone and make a crap ton of money.
Wii U humbled em.
Now they'll likely get better than Wii 3rd party support (along with more indies and collaborations with third parties), but still aren't trying for parity.
Switch isn't about cramming a PS4 or Xbone experience into a tablet.
It's about a hybrid system at a decent price with decent battery life.
Something had to give. And it was raw power. That's okay. It runs quite possibly the best game in a generation or two just fine AS A LAUNCH TITLE.
Graphics ain't quality folks. And if they is, go with god and I'll be playing AAA stuff on the go alongside Splatoon and MK8 over A CELLULAR NETWORK.
Value propositions don't have to be mutually exclusive kiddos.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
To consumers, but not to Apple
. Nowhere near that. Their honest aim is 50% profit margins on products and they are not far off (profit margins should include more than just manufacturing cost in the equation).Switch is going to sell gangbusters this winter, with or without THQ or any other third parties. They are mostly irrelevant to Nintendo's success IMO.
If you want to be successful on a Nintendo console, you don't port PS4 games, you make original ones like Mario X Rabbids or games evoking old classics like Hollow Knight or Shovel Knight.
If you want to be successful on a Nintendo console, you don't port PS4 games, you make original ones like Mario X Rabbids or games evoking old classics like Hollow Knight or Shovel Knight.
Wait there's a portable PS4 that costs 299?? Where can I buy that???
Notorious_Roy
Member
Sure, but do you think a Switch costing 900 bucks would be a succes?
And/or Nintendo has the cash flow to buy a semiconductor company and develop their own silicon?
So where is the fan going to be so the GPU/CPU doesn't throttle when you are playing advanced games? Or are you saying that the handheld console is going to be downclocked so much that it doesn't throttle at all?
Using the iPhone as an example in this case is HILARIOUS.
Except we don't have AT&T's and Sprint's and Verizon's to subsidize the price of a $650 piece of tech.
Having just received my Switch yesterday and playing a little Zelda, I'm quite impressed with the systems power. Nintendo's studios can create some beautiful looking games on the given hardware.
However, anyone expecting the likes of Destiny 2 or Anthem on Switch is forever setting themselves up for disappointment.
The Switch doesn't need such games to thrive though.
However, anyone expecting the likes of Destiny 2 or Anthem on Switch is forever setting themselves up for disappointment.
The Switch doesn't need such games to thrive though.
To be fair the Switch already has a fan, it vents out the top.
excelsiorlef
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The era of developing last gen ports of current gen games is basically over though so companies are going to be less inclined to dedicate resources to building that level of game for the Swtich. That's the trade off with the type of relatively unique console The Switch is.
What many people in this thread seem to either fail to understand or don't want to understand that this is not always, or even often, a question of fundamental theoretical capability.
Its a question of whether it makes economic sense to port your existing game. And if a platform is significantly slower than what you targeted so far, then that increases the cost of producing a decent port, which means that your potential payoff needs to be larger to justify that. That's all there is to it.
Its a question of whether it makes economic sense to port your existing game. And if a platform is significantly slower than what you targeted so far, then that increases the cost of producing a decent port, which means that your potential payoff needs to be larger to justify that. That's all there is to it.
Nintendo already had a product for your expectations: the WiiU
I swear some people would rather see Nintendo release Scorpio hardware only for then to say it's doing nothing different so what's the point?
Do 3rd parties really think that by having the same hardware and features across 3 platforms would magically increase the market and make their games sell better?
Do 3rd parties really think that by having the same hardware and features across 3 platforms would magically increase the market and make their games sell better?
mavericktopgun
Member
Lol. The Switch is way more powerful than a Xbox 360 and a PS3. MUCH better CPU, GPU and 8 times the RAM (which is faster too).
If Rise of the Tomb Raider is possible on Xbox 360 with such great graphics then every game is possible on the Switch.
If Rise of the Tomb Raider is possible on Xbox 360 with such great graphics then every game is possible on the Switch.
xrnzaaas
Member
It's one thing to develop an exclusive for a certain system and another to optimize a multiplatform title for a certain console, especially one that's the weakest of all.
Let's see how Skyrim will look and run on the Switch in its final build, it should be a nice benchmark on what kind of performance to expect from third party ports.
Monkeyball
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Hah.
Then don't target your games to the most powerful hardware. Indies don't. Blizzard doesn't. In fact, nobody does, because most games are specced for mid range PC's anyway.
You're sure that the Switch could decently run games like Battlefront 2?
No one targets the most powerful hardware, everyone targets PS4/Xbox One. Switch is significantly slower than those which makes it harder to port a PS4-targeted game to Switch. Simple as that.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
It probably could at extremely run down settings etc. I not talking about the switches power here more that Dice are technical wizards and I wouldn't be surprised if they could manage it but I don't see why they would even if possible.
Retro Edge
Member
Docked is absolutely fine, to be honest, I was impressed how good it runs docked.
The handheld mode however is from hell, I have it, I even played Zelda, imagine Korok Forest constantly, that's LCU in handheld. It's constantly like 20fps and lower if you move the camera to the city and if you boost it feels like slow motion it's horrible, absolutely horrible.
mavericktopgun
Member
Not with the same resolution, geometric detail and lightning as on Xbox One and PS4. But that's logical.
But we are talking about a device that is as small as a 3DS (without Joy Cons).
excelsiorlef
Member
That'd be a pretty dumb move that wouldn't work
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Haha this for real?
Guess i'm ok without THQ.
Tbh i thought they went bankrupt ages ago 😂
Pancakes R Us
Member
Wow, I had no idea THQ still exists.
Saoshyant
Member
They did. There's this C-tier publisher in Europe called Nordic who bought some of the cheaper THQ IPs and then renamed themselves to THQ Nordic. They are not the THQ you knew at all.
mavericktopgun
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Take a look.
Rise of the Tomb Raider on Xbox One and 360.
Doesn't look that bad on 360 right?
And that's a console that has 8 times less RAM than a Switch, way slower CPU and GPU and rather ancient stuff inside.
Rise of the Tomb Raider on Xbox One and 360.
Doesn't look that bad on 360 right?
And that's a console that has 8 times less RAM than a Switch, way slower CPU and GPU and rather ancient stuff inside.
excelsiorlef
Member
That's completely ridiculous...
They aren't going to create underpowered games for the PS4 and Xbox One just so it's easier to port to the Switch
excelsiorlef
Member
But they aren't developing for the PS3/360 anymore...
So this point is pretty moot
mavericktopgun
Member
And?
I'm talking porting a game to Switch is easier than porting a game to Xbox 360. Power wise. I know that the 360 is dead.
Giftofgab24
Member
Most AA and AAA games are spec'd for current gen consoles. That's the category most of THQ games fall in.
On topic.... I think the Switch is absolutely a fantastic product. I just am not a fan of them claiming it's a home console. It's really not. It's a handheld with a tv dock that provides more power to run at a higher clock. I think a lot of people's frustration is the fact that Nintendo didn't make a true home console this gen. That's completely fine and it's obviously been a financial success for them. You just can't please everybody.