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TLOU team originally working on a new Jak and Daxter
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~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
There's no grit in that artwork
people dunno wth they're talking about lol. stylize/cartoony =/= big eyes
this can worked. ND is talented, im sure they wanted to capture an awesome mood with that concept, and they know how to do that.
Acquiescence
Member
Is that how Daxter would look if he was in The Last of Us? A gritty Dax for a gritty world.
Mixed feelings on this to be honest. TLoU is one of my favourite games this gen, so I'm obviously glad they made it. But on the other hand, a Jak 4 made by Naughty Dog? Wouldn't have said no. Maybe next gen.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
To me it's as if Nintendo released a Mario game that looked like this;
It's fair enough to want to try a new visual style, but it's a shame their immediate thought is "let's give him more hair/make him look like an actual animal" rather than sticking to the cartoony roots of the series.
i change it every now and then. i ran with these for a good while:
but i always change it back. i like ramirez. has a good feel. the great red dragon is probably my second favorite. there's also one i used from rasl for a little bit, but i can't find it.
Hot Coldman
Banned
"my new game is much better than the old one =/= "yo, that guy who my last game was directly inspired by? FUCK HIS SHIT" *middle fingers in air blowing raspberries*
I'd admit the 12-year-old comment wasn't on, if that was actually my point
Callibretto
Member
no, I think they still know what makes them charming, which is why they canned the project. it's easy to imagine one of the first thing they do when trying to make new Jak and Daxter game is to design their new look, and they probably don't want to simply use the old design with higher polygon and updated texture/shader like Nintendo did with their WiiU Mario and friends design. (not saying what nintendo did is bad, their character design is so iconic that you can't mess around with it too much.)
if they really don't know, they'll just go through with the new look.
Are you okay? Are you okay, Ani?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I think Daxter with proper fur would be enough. To be honest, the level of detail they gave Ratchet & co. in the PS3 R&C games would have been fine.
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Miles Quaritch
Member
I don't remember enjoying it at all, but as I recently downloaded the trilogy on Vita, I think I'll give another shot as it sounds a lot more interesting from your small description than I remember it being.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
This was aleady known. They spoke about it during TLOU development.
Personally, I thought TLOU was great, but I would've loved a new Jak and Daxter game too.
Personally, I thought TLOU was great, but I would've loved a new Jak and Daxter game too.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
Sort of want.
Nocturnowl
Member
Exactly, looking at how the series progressed it would've driven on even further down the vehicle focused clusterfuck route, a 3D platformer would be the biggest swerve of all.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I need a lie down
on-topic: I'm not a massive fan of what they were showing here, but I'm open to pretty much anything ND cares to do nowadays.
on-topic: I'm not a massive fan of what they were showing here, but I'm open to pretty much anything ND cares to do nowadays.
Again, LoU was amazing, but J&D 1 and 3 aren't by any means "bad games" (infact, they're pretty fantastic ones).
Especially Jak 1 is one of my favorite games from the first half of the ps2 life.
Is that how Daxter would look if he was in The Last of Us? A gritty Dax for a gritty world.
E looks like a great middle ground between realistic and cartoon, it doesn't mean it would have to be "gritty" or try hard like Jak 2 was, and certainly better than the full on Dreamworks smirk.
Byronic Hero
Member
Let me just warn you, as a fan of the franchise, do not play the Vita version. The framerate is horrible. Especially for the 1st & 3rd games.
Get it on PS3 if you want the definitive versions of the trilogy, because if you pass judgement off of the Vita version, you will end up hating the series.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
you dont know if that was the immediate thought, its pretty unfair to say ND would take a franchise like this an brainless decide !duur CoD grit!.
They were looking to take a long dormant franchise bring it back with a new style n slight different mood. And judging by what ND have done, its a pretty damn exiting thought IMO.
Callibretto
Member
it's not easy to make cartoony visual looks impressive I guess, I mean look at how much shit people give to Knack, especially the human character, if you give these character long ears, they basically look kinda like Jak and Daxter npc
I guess a proper nextgen J&D looks is probably like the cg promo render like this with fur on cartoon daxter, but Jak really doesn't look that impressive really
King of the Potato People
Member
Jak and Daxter is ND's most fun game for me, love the non-linear island and how seamless the world was compared to other platformers.
I'm glad they didn't try an awkward reinvention of the series. They already did that with Jak II.
I'm glad they didn't try an awkward reinvention of the series. They already did that with Jak II.
to be honest, there's nothing wrong with trying a different approach. they were obviously not making jak 4 with this game, and it was more of a reboot. that would probably allow them more freedom in its design instead of forcing it to adhere to previous entries in the series (and connecting it to its absolutely awful story). a guy with a gun and his animal companion wouldn't be a bad way to look at 'jak and daxter'. i was never really a fan of daxter (or jak after the first game), so maybe something that isn't a clash of two different styles would benefit the tone of the game overall.
jak and daxter was never a series of platformers either. the first game was a platformer in the then-dying collectathon style. jak ii was a mishmash of genres to the point where platforming was just another style of gameplay added to the mix. from my understanding of jak 3 (i never played it), it was more or less an open-world game, a better gta-lite than jak ii was. so in a sense, remaking jak and daxter wouldn't really be killing anyone's innocence when jak ii already did that a decade prior.
and naughty dog was clearly done with making games where level design was the focus after jak and daxter. they became much more about storytelling and setpieces starting with jak ii. that's not a bad thing- it's just a thing. the problem with jak ii was the genre they were trying to shoehorn all of that into was a poor fit. they started to improve matters starting with uncharted. the last of us is the culmination of a decade of work, experience, and discovery- of learning what works and what doesn't. they learned through jak ii that to tell a compelling story the way they wanted, they needed a more linear experience. they learned with uncharted the way to make the compelling story believable was to make the in-game characters match the ones from the story.
if anything, the cancellation of this project was a sign that yes, maybe they don't have the chops to do a traditional platformer anymore (although i don't think that was ever the case), but it's also a sign that they recognized problems in reconciling the differences between their vision of games, and what they were actually making. i wonder if they were developing a jak ii reboot and discovered all the problems with the original, and learned from it. if the last of us was the project we received from all their lessons taught, then i say it was worth the introspection at the very least.
jak and daxter was never a series of platformers either. the first game was a platformer in the then-dying collectathon style. jak ii was a mishmash of genres to the point where platforming was just another style of gameplay added to the mix. from my understanding of jak 3 (i never played it), it was more or less an open-world game, a better gta-lite than jak ii was. so in a sense, remaking jak and daxter wouldn't really be killing anyone's innocence when jak ii already did that a decade prior.
and naughty dog was clearly done with making games where level design was the focus after jak and daxter. they became much more about storytelling and setpieces starting with jak ii. that's not a bad thing- it's just a thing. the problem with jak ii was the genre they were trying to shoehorn all of that into was a poor fit. they started to improve matters starting with uncharted. the last of us is the culmination of a decade of work, experience, and discovery- of learning what works and what doesn't. they learned through jak ii that to tell a compelling story the way they wanted, they needed a more linear experience. they learned with uncharted the way to make the compelling story believable was to make the in-game characters match the ones from the story.
if anything, the cancellation of this project was a sign that yes, maybe they don't have the chops to do a traditional platformer anymore (although i don't think that was ever the case), but it's also a sign that they recognized problems in reconciling the differences between their vision of games, and what they were actually making. i wonder if they were developing a jak ii reboot and discovered all the problems with the original, and learned from it. if the last of us was the project we received from all their lessons taught, then i say it was worth the introspection at the very least.
Which one? There are several examples in there.
Canis lupus
Member
Is that thing supposed to be Daxter? I want a new Jak, but not like this.
A and C especially.
Yeah those aren't good, but i like E more than any other entry and more than the original one.
Freaky Fred
Banned
Daxter E and G are pretty cool. The rest look like crap.
I dont know if its the same one Anihawk found, but I remember an interview that was more about Jason dumping on Miyamoto and the developers of Wrath of Cortex than the actual game.
silver.tongue
Member
It does'nt have to be one or the orther.
If Sony were to revive Jak & Daxter, and I would love to play a new J&D, they should give it to a smaller Sony Studio, mayba Sanzaru (they did an amazing job with Sly4).
Naughty Dog is to big now for a 3D plataformer.
The only thing depressing is your taste.
To be fair the things he criticizes Miyamoto with is story and voicework...and tbh Mario games have incredibly basic and tropy storytelling...and he was right about Jak 2 being one of the first 3D cartoony platformers to get a fairly serious story
Terbinator
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Crackster?
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
As someone who really didn't care about TLOU all that much, I do wish that we had gotten a new Jak and Daxter instead. While the PS3 had plenty of adult-oriented, story-driven action games, it didn't have nearly enough light-hearted platformers for all ages. If we did get a new J&D, I'd hope it would fill that role.
Shrike_Priest
Member
After having watched it, I think the biggest news from this is that he gives a pretty darn clear direction of where the franchise is going.
His take on the ending where it represents her realization that she needs to become independent from Joel and can't trust him anymore makes a VERY good case for an "adult Ellie"-type arc. Perhaps even one where Joel ends up being an antagonist, or their "break-up" being a key focus of the game.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Bullshit. You can't look me straight in the face and say the level design of II is bad. I'd go so far to say that it's better than J&D. Sprawling forests, ancient temples, intricate sewer systems, industrial wastelands. Tonnes of variety, big big levels, I don't know how that's some harbinger or future Naughty Dog, or even correct.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Would of prefered the jack and daxter personally.
I would have rather had J&D than TLOU. We need more 3D platformers; I'm growing tired of shooters.
Precisely this.
Precisely this.
nah he says in super mario sunshine the characters come out saying bloop bloop bloop and it's the only mario game with full voice acting. but nevermind that- he thinks the idea of pushing the platformer genre forward is having more story. what the fuck.
the level design in jak ii isn't bad. it's fucking horrendous.
ignore the tag. i'm serious. outside of the few platforming sections there are, it's not fun at all.
Byronic Hero
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Quite a few people, I'd say. The games share and audience with franchises like Sly Cooper and Rachet & Clank, and those games still sell.