PhantomX1313
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Yall pray that affleck leaves....for Batman prod
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Today in DCEU: Affleck reportedly wants out as Batman
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Discotheque
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i'd kill if a joss whedon superman movie happened.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Yah. I have no idea why DC fans are so fixated treating the term "origin movies" at its face value. The Incredible Hulk movie count as an origin movie which goes over quickly how he obtained his power and jumped to Hulk facing his first true adversary. Same goes for Spidey, (where they are skipping how Parker got bitten by Spider, Uncle Ben death etc) and jump to Spiderman facing his first true foe in his next movie.
Superman and Wonder Woman fucking in mid-air.
Oh and Batman and Black Canary fucking next to a pile of burning corpses.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Oh yeah, agreed.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Didn't he vehemently deny reports of him stepping back and not directing like 2 weeks before he announced he wasn't directing
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Now I want this lol..
Yeah.. and I really think they might not say anything if it is true.
"Damn you and you lemonade" kills me every. Single. TimeAlways go more towards the goddamn Batman route
Yep, if it's true they won't say anything, although it would raise a lot of questions if he's no where to be seen in the Justice League press.
Primethius
Banned
Yea, same. But to be honest, at this point, I'd take anything over the garbage DCEU is putting out right now. Small or big steps alike.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
FTFY.
Seriously, I was definitely less pleased with the DC films this year than I was the ones that came before (recently). It even motivated me to write about Man of Steel. And I rarely write. So, I agree, essentially.
And yet I also feel the shadow of trying to ape Marvels' work, the online furor of vastly over-written comparison between the two, and WB executive desire to quickly duplicate the success of the Avenger's is mainly responsible for the problems in Batman V Superman, which really should have been two movies.
We all knew it the very instant they revealed Doomsday in that second trailer. You 'member? It was like... oh?... oh.
Then Suicide Squad is what you get when you forcefully try to duplicate someone else's (Marvels') light humor aspect of the formula.
But as the fanboying intensifies, I'd prefer to chart a course of slowing down and duplicating Marvel success through methodology of introducing heroes through individual movies. Of relaxing the pressure and heat and intensity and scrutiny on these movies so they can breathe and happen. Of course, since Justice League is up next after Wonder Woman, it's already far too late for that, but even still...
I feel like as long as WB executives listen to the internet and try to duplicate Marvel's example, instead of follow their own unique path, quality will decline.
If you ever have a chance read this
In it Batman finds out his parents were killed because Martha was helping to bring down a sexual exploration ring. He decides to pick up where she left off, it is a nice solid take on Batman dealing with something out of his depth.
The guy who wrote it was a lawyer specializing in representing abused children. It gets real, and not in a corny way like SVU
Is that supposed to be exploration or exploitation?
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Honestly, when Civil War got a pass for worse shit than BvS got pilloried for I decided it was time to "tune out" the internet.
It feels like a lot of commentators are stuck in a bubble where they have a fixed idea of what all superhero movies should be like, and are aggressively resistant to anything that doesn't conform to their expectations. Hence even mediocre examples of the style they like get a warmer reception than anything that tries the alternative approach.
It feels like a lot of commentators are stuck in a bubble where they have a fixed idea of what all superhero movies should be like, and are aggressively resistant to anything that doesn't conform to their expectations. Hence even mediocre examples of the style they like get a warmer reception than anything that tries the alternative approach.
what worse shit did Civil War get a pass for?
Primethius
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The thing about an alternative approach is, you actually have to execute on it (see: Nolan Batman movies).
You don't get points for aiming high and falling flat on your face. I'd rather get a competently built house than a person who promises a mansion and gives me a half-broken wall.
Always go more towards the goddamn Batman route
As much as I hate that comic, these scene killed me
Me too. Affleck is an excellent choice for Batman and I hope stays on despite these rumors.
Bobby Roberts
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Why does it feel that way?
What if the expectations they were hoping the film conformed to were simply "a good movie" and that's it?
What kind of "commentators" are you paying attention to?
Why are you paying attention to them?
What do they think about the multitude of films that have nothing to do with superheroes?
Is the bubble you think they're stuck in more of a construction you've built to wall out a large chorus of people who disagree with your take because you'd rather not examine it too closely beyond a "team sports" win/loss mentality?
The Artisan
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well, he did say he would never do another superhero role ever again after daredevil. since he went back on his word, his past is coming back to haunt him.
No one even talks about Civil War anymore.
You go see a Marvel movie you say 'its alright' then you wait for the next one
we're literally talking about Civil War right now
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Yeah, no one talks about comic book movies. Very niche fanbase.
Unspeakable Evil
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That's because we're all shills!
Same.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Thanks guys
Not75Drops
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If we're going by this logic, The Room is a good movie because people still talk about it.
I've seen a surprising number of DCEU fans go from "Forget about the critics" to "At least it made a lot of money", and now to "At least people talk about it". Of course people still talk about it. It's a divisive (at the very least) movie about two of the most well-known superheroes.
Always go more towards the goddamn Batman route
That might be the last great comic book I read. There should be a film adaptation of just that single issue.
Ryan Reynolds can play Batman and Green Lantern.
Me too. He is like a good BronsonLee.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
The Room is better than any of the DCEU movies.
Might say it's better than the MCU stuff as well.
illmatic22
Banned
Really wasn't the same without him
One man's treasure is another's man's trash. Critics have a weird job that doesn't make much sense when viewed more closely. They essentially decide for the public what is good and what is not. But they are just people. People who have their own individual tastes that may or may not reflect that of another individual. Does anybody have one reviewer they tend to follow most that has shared 100% of that person's opinions on movies? I find that highly unlikely. It just seems really up in the air to me.
A lot of people's definition of a "good movie" is different. What constitutes "good"? Is it the technical aspect of it? The Dark Knight Rises was really well put together but I really didn't like that movie. Other people may view TDKR as being amazing simply because they just like everything Batman. Or maybe it was the technical aspect. Or something else? All of the above?
By what standard does each reviewer hold a movie too? Are they all the same? If not, do they make their standards clear? If Reviewer A says a movie is bad because of this one thing but Reviewer B says he or she didn't mind that but instead thought it was bad because of this other thing what are you, as the reader, supposed to think? What if Reviewer C said both of those things are the reason the movie is good?
And what about individual anomalies? What kind of mood was the reviewer in that day? Do they have a bias for or against one of the actors or director? If so, would they admit it? They are just people after all and people have biases.
I think it's a bit crude to dumb all this down to "were they just expecting a good movie" when what determines how good a movie is varies so wildly from person to person.
BronsonLee
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I literally cannot see any comparison between us besides the fact that our names start with B
Bobby Roberts
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But that's not really my point. My point is that suggesting there's some sort of hidden agenda behind the mindset heading into the theater seems unrealistic to me, especially when the alternative is that the person heading into the theater is more than likely simply hoping for an entertaining film at the least.
Not to say people don't have their own biases, and obviously every film critic is going to have something that makes them tick differently than the next person. But the thrust of the post I was responding to seemed to seek an outside explanation as opposed to the most obvious one.
Basically, it's the building blocks for a self-congratulatory narrative that suggests holding a contrary opinion is worthwhile in and of itself, and denotes a higher state of consciousness and awareness or some shit like that. "They'd could see, if only they'd allow themselves!"
Like, I get that. But I don't really think that's what's going on here. I think a lot of people went to BvS and saw a busted-ass movie. And they didn't think it was busted-ass because of a bunch of superhero-movie dogma that it was bold enough to avoid/contradict. But maybe they thought it was busted-ass because it just wasn't made very well.
Flying Toaster
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After a few years of super hero movies I have come to the realization that origin stories are not necessary and the idea of a day in the life of a hero is a lot more appealing to me than a few movies leading up to an epic battle or conclusion.
I loved the new Judge Dredd movie. I am indifferent to the marvel cinematic universe. I don't even know what I would want to see with the DC universe anymore. I love Batman 1989 and I thought Batman and Robin was a great movie for all the wrong reasons. If there was ever to be a reboot on the DC movie universe I guess I would want to see more independent character non origin movies that focused on the character dealing with situations in a short time span.
Edit: Above post by Bobby Roberts is excellent.
I loved the new Judge Dredd movie. I am indifferent to the marvel cinematic universe. I don't even know what I would want to see with the DC universe anymore. I love Batman 1989 and I thought Batman and Robin was a great movie for all the wrong reasons. If there was ever to be a reboot on the DC movie universe I guess I would want to see more independent character non origin movies that focused on the character dealing with situations in a short time span.
Edit: Above post by Bobby Roberts is excellent.
Its the last go-to argument of the desperate fanboy. Even if you ignore the fact that everyone has a bias, that i'd be them is no surprise. 'Their' franchise has been hit hard critically, and consistently. If this happened to, say, newer Zelda games or Halo, you'd have the same reaction from some of those properties fans. It is simply easier to blame others for 'not getting it' than it is to admit that many dont love what you love and that its okay. Doesn't make the argument have any merit, but it helps you understand to a degree.
If anything these IP's and characters are so great and beloved, that some badly percieved movies ain't gonna stop the train. We'll get Batman movies till the end of time. And that's great.
Oh yeah, Bobby is a treasure. Half the reason i signed up after lurking for many years.
You know there's a difference between saying that BvS is busted ass movie, and the massive shit piling that happens in every DCEU thread. At best I think BvS was a 6/10 and that's being generous. Hell I dislike the movies interpretation of Superman and it's clearly a messy movie made for hardcore DC fanboys to get the most out of it.
That said it does seem like every DCEU thread that isn't in community has a steady stream of drive by posts saying how it's dumb.
Also on the other end of the spectrum their isn't a massive conspiracy of people hating the DCEU. BVS didn't resonate with audiences, while Suicide Squad did in a big way. Out of the three movies we have yet BvS is the one that's general disliked on most fronts.
That said it does seem like every DCEU thread that isn't in community has a steady stream of drive by posts saying how it's dumb.
Also on the other end of the spectrum their isn't a massive conspiracy of people hating the DCEU. BVS didn't resonate with audiences, while Suicide Squad did in a big way. Out of the three movies we have yet BvS is the one that's general disliked on most fronts.
I may not have had interactions with you but that doesn't mean I don't read and appreciate your posts. I'm sure there are others in the same boat as me.
The reason for the massive pile-ons is because of the three middling to bad movies that have been released so far. There's little to no good will for the DCEU right now because the movies so far have made it that way.
I'm pretty sure most Gaffers think SS is a worse movie than BvS. Which it is.
The reason BvS gets so much negativity is because it was one of the biggest and most hyped blockbusters this decade and ended up being a big disappointment. Just because the fanboys are willing to overlook its' many, many flaws doesn't mean everyone else is.
Ignatz Mouse
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I keep thinking of "Room" and not "The Room."
Which is a better movie that the MCU/DCEU stuff.
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