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the guy who started this must be starved for attention. he also really wants people to know how tolerant he is.
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Tracer's butt victory pose will be removed from Overwatch
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Yes they are?
That's some Hank Hill butt.
I have as many pixels as necessary, since I'm looking at it in the game.
Yes, she is. Looking behind you looks like this.
She's either looking at her ass or my crotch. Take your pick, both amount to the same thing.
I don't think you know what direction 'down' is.
If "behind you" means "to your left," maybe.
Fushichou187
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In 2050 this will get you banned from FutureGAF. Augment Appropriation is real yo.
manfestival
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Are you 10 years old? I'm not saying you need to write a dissertation to be taken seriously, but you're probably going to need to try harder than that.
Scientist Supreme!
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Brilliantly put. Hopefully the next generation changes that.
Obviously the second part.
That would be the exact reason they are removing it
RageWaffles
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Good. Her wedgie is ridiculous.
Without sounding too racist, I realize Hanzo is asian and his eyes are small there. But I assure you, he is in the same pose you've seen before, looking over his shoulder. My point is, his pupils don't go down directly towards his ass.
petethepanda
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I would be fascinated to see what the response would be if instead of scaling back the sexualization of its female characters they upped the sexualization of their male characters to match it. I wouldn't be shocked if some of the people upset about this removal would be even more upset about that.
She seems to look directly into the camera
I have as many pixels as necessary, since I'm looking at it in the game.
This is when you know the accusations of her eyes pointing at her ass are reaching.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Yo like you have to be laser focused to even think she's looking at her butt. Like I don't even think the people who want the pose noticed all these "details"
This is over the shoudler
i love her design. so sexy
Maintenance
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Is this the cover of the game, or have they changed it?
Because I'm seeing some butt right in the middle. Better change it.
Because I'm seeing some butt right in the middle. Better change it.
No. That was the reason for the complaint. Blizzard's reasoning is that it makes people uncomfortable.
stufte
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So why do you think it's crazy that I believe that?
Blackleg-sanji1
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Look at that one FF game with the heavily sexualized male protagonist thread to see that.
cm osi
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c'mon, not enough. she's like watching something distant on the ground (actually she's staring at the camera, whatever)
So what your saying is blizzard needs to add in the helicopter as a winning pose for the dudes. With in game sweatpants. That would cause such an uproar and it would be great.
Making the butt the focal point tells the viewer that her butt is a major part of her identity.
I think people forget we live in a real world, and that games are influential media that also exists in a real world. Art and the ideas that it conveys are extremely powerful, and it never exists in a vacuum as gamers often like to imagine. When a girl plays as a character, and she's told at the end of the match, "your identity is butt," that affects her. Identity is monumentally important to most humans, and you have no right to tell her that she shouldn't feel affected by it.
I don't mean to sound all huffy, it's just irritating that people act like the human psyche isn't affected by subtlety, when in reality it's affected by subtlety more than anything. Being dismissive of this sort of thing benefits no one.
The paint lines never lie!
This is over the shoudler
Without sounding too racist, I realize Hanzo is asian and his eyes are small there. But I assure you, he is in the same pose you've seen before, looking over his shoulder. My point is, his pupils don't go down directly towards his ass.
Can we please remove this pose? It's really putting me down
No, she isn't. She's staring below the camera's eyeline. Mercy, Hanzo, Mccree, they're staring at the camera. Even Widow is staring at the camera. Tracer is drawing sight straight down to that ass. I've got like 700 games of Overwatch played, I've seen these poses a LOT.
Damn.
we must protect the butt
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holy shit at this response
No longer are butts welcome into this industry
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Yes, she is. Looking behind you looks like this.
She's either looking at her ass or my crotch. Take your pick, both amount to the same thing.
I don't think you know what direction 'down' is.
Pay attention to the white highlight in her eyes. The pupil is usually right next to the highlight, which is near the top left of the pupil's corner. By that notion, she can't actually be staring at her ass in that shot, and in fact is looking ahead at head elevation.
stufte
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I think you and others are reading entirely too much into a pose. Not everything is a subliminal message, and sometimes a butt is just a butt and not some sort of message about self worth.
Danny Dudekisser
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Yes, she is. Looking behind you looks like this.
She's either looking at her ass or my crotch. Take your pick, both amount to the same thing.
I don't think you know what direction 'down' is.
So, when you look around, like, in real life, you can see more than just butt. That guy is staring behind him, but then, there's so much more to see than just where he's looking! If he were to look a little more to the side, say... where Tracer is looking -- it's possible that he could still be looking at something besides his butt.
I verified this myself. Despite my impeccably-shaped man buns that I can barely keep my own eyes off of, it was possible to turn my head to different angles and not look at my butt.
hardcastlemccormick
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Sorry, I see I posted before you edited in your full argument.
I just don't see this as a situation where "Tracer is good therefore she can't be sexy." That's not how I read the post at all.
It's not shit critique because they backed it up. They said, look, here's how you establish this character, and then you sexualize the character, which is the unfair and totally lame default thing the game industry does with any female character they create.
That's a perfectly valid complaint and I hope more people start making it.
I would hate to play a game that ignored community feedback. I know criticism for my work comes in all forms, sometimes in ways I may not agree with. But everything is a discussion. I'm not watered down by changing my work.
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do people not understand how eyes work? if she was trying to look at her ass, they'd be back further. there wouldn't be white in the corners. she's looking in the same general direction that he face is pointed.
She's not looking 'to the side' she's looking down.
You guys are still trying to rules lawyer this shit: Obviously she cannot specifically SEE her own ass in center view, but she's stretching her eyes that way damn hard. In artistic terms, she is pulling you, the viewer, in to look at where her eyes are looking - her ass. She's sticking out the thing she wants your attention drawn to - her ass. Her arms and legs are in a pose that frames the central image of her stance - her ass. Literally everything about that pose is centered on her ass. She's not standing looking over her shoulder like some kind of badass, like Hanzo, Mccree, or even Mercy, she's looking over her shoulder trying to get you to look at her ass.
VibratingDonkey
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I don't have the context of what this character is supposed to be like, or how it fits with the rest of the game, but generally speaking, I wouldn't have minded if this pose was kept in, as to my eyes it looks like what Blizzard presumably intended to evoke. Just reminds me of Bayonetta, a character that's arguably strong and heroic. But I also don't mind if it's not kept in if others do mind it. It's just a butt pose after all. Doesn't make the game any worse for me, but possibly makes it better for others. Go for it.
Ultimately it's Blizzards call, and based on the short statement in the OP, it seems their intent with the butt pose differed from how some interpreted it, and so Blizzard changed it to better suit their creative vision.
There is no problem here. It's pretty dumb and sad how there always seems to be this overreaction to the commonplace news of a developer changing or removing something based on feedback, when that something is butts or tits.
Ultimately it's Blizzards call, and based on the short statement in the OP, it seems their intent with the butt pose differed from how some interpreted it, and so Blizzard changed it to better suit their creative vision.
There is no problem here. It's pretty dumb and sad how there always seems to be this overreaction to the commonplace news of a developer changing or removing something based on feedback, when that something is butts or tits.
Banana Aeon
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yes, even by looking down, it is possible to not look at your butt.
I just find it hilarious that some gamers are claiming this is a huge act of censorship or something. It should go without saying that a team willfully opting to change their own creative work isn't censorship.
But what's odd is that this is such a big story to begin with. Blizzard is trying to make a universe with enough creative material to last 100+ years. Think like Marvel.
And yet, their basis really doesn't have that much world building. Each character only has a few dozen material voice lines, a few dozen animations, 4-5 models, etc. As a result, every single asset matters.
Blizzard is putting immense thought into every single decision. No decision is being based on a whim or agenda.
Heaven forbid they make changes to their first game in a new IP during closed beta...
But what's odd is that this is such a big story to begin with. Blizzard is trying to make a universe with enough creative material to last 100+ years. Think like Marvel.
And yet, their basis really doesn't have that much world building. Each character only has a few dozen material voice lines, a few dozen animations, 4-5 models, etc. As a result, every single asset matters.
Blizzard is putting immense thought into every single decision. No decision is being based on a whim or agenda.
Heaven forbid they make changes to their first game in a new IP during closed beta...
truestatic
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Take a picture of yourself looking at your butt, with the camera on a level with your face. You will tilt your head WAY down, and your eyes will appear to be practically closed. Tracer is looking just below the horizon. SHE AIN'T EYEIN UP HER OWN BUTT.
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