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Trump to decertify Iran Deal

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studyguy

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-puts-iran-nuclear-deal-hands-congress-n810366

President Donald Trump is expected to put the 2015 Iran nuclear deal squarely in the hands of Congress, refusing to certify that Iran is compliance with the deal but letting lawmakers decide whether to tear it up.

Congress will now have to decide if they will reimpose sanctions on Iran with regard to the country's nuclear program, or attach new conditions to the agreement. Those sanctions were lifted as part of the 2015 agreement, and reimposing them would effectively destroy the deal, known as the JCPOA.
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Basically hands the decision off to Congress now, to be clear he's decertifying but not actually leaving it?
Sorry there's a lot of odd info flying around twitter right now about mixed messaging. Will try to clarify as more comes up.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/918862241415364609
AFP news agency (@AFP)
#BREAKING Trump to 'decertify' but not leave Iran deal: Tillerson #IranNuclearDeal
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/918862501000888320(edited)
AFP news agency (@AFP)
#BREAKING Trump will not ask Congress to reintroduce Iran sanctions: Tillerson #IranNuclearDeal
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Ogodei

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Ruining America's diplomatic credibility for decades to come, because any agreement we reach is only valid until the next time the GOP takes over.
 
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infi

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studyguy said:
Congress will now have to decide if they will reimpose sanctions on Iran with regard to the country's nuclear program, or attach new conditions to the agreement.
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How can congress add new conditions to an already agreed up on deal? Surely it would require all parties involved in the deal to agree to any new terms.
 
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Pandora012

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Wonder what congress will do.

infi said:
How can congress add new conditions to an already agreed up on deal? Surely it would require all parties involved in the deal to agree to any new terms.
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lol, only the us matters.
Honest answer is that they can add more conditions, but them being upheld is another monster entirely.
 
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Malreyn

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Wet Bloodfart said:
Would Congress reimpose sanctions? I was under the impression that the GOP majority actually didn't want to leave the Iran deal.
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If they don't want to leave the Iran deal, they could just pass legislation to remove the 90 day certification requirement from the POTUS
 
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liquidtmd

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refusing to certify that Iran is compliance with the deal but letting lawmakers decide whether to tear it up.
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1 - I doubt he understands what the fuck compliance is in this context

2 - I doubt he cares

3 - His entire M.O is to shrug and let others decide. Not surprised.
 
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studyguy

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infi said:
How can congress add new conditions to an already agreed up on deal? Surely it would require all parties involved in the deal to agree to any new terms.
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That's actually part of the worry, discussions leading up to it were all pretty adamant about leaving it as it is, also tossing the football off to this congress sounds sketchy, but we'll see what goes down. Honestly it just seems like he's trying to score some kind of points with....someone? While congress still signs off.
 
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HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
This will also hurt any attempts to negotiate with North Korea if Trump goes back on the deal. Our promises and agreements mean shit now to the world at large and means even more, beyond even NK, are not going to bother dealing with us. Good job Trump.
 
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tuxfool

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All of this stems from the fact that anybody with any foreign policy experience will have advised him to recertify.

But he got angry that people were telling him to do this, because he *knew* it was wrong. So basically this is the compromise, he gets to act like he is correct, but the real action is punted to congress, who may or may not be a stupid as he is.
 
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Shadybiz

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1. Doesn't want Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

2. Does something to increase the probability of them developing nuclear weapons.

3. ???

4. Profit?
 
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kris.

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My head hurts.

I hope some news agency has a bombshell oppo drop tonight because lordy I need some good news.
 
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Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Isn't this...OK? By Trump standards?

He's too spineless to do it himself so he's just puffing his chest out and kicking it to Congress, who will probably do nothing.
 
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RDreamer

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Some explanation of what's going on:

McMaster Wants to Save the Iran Deal by Hiding It From Trump

In a meeting with Senate Democrats last week, President Donald Trump’s top national security aide had a message for those worried that the administration may scuttle the Iran nuclear deal: If Trump doesn’t have to see it, he won’t be able to kill it.

The point National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster conveyed, according to a congressional Democratic aide, was that “[Trump] wants this out of sight and out of mind.”


McMaster was more subtle and careful in his words when he hosted a group of roughly 12 lawmakers at the White House, conspicuously timed with the president out of town. But that was the impression he left, three sources familiar with the briefing tell The Daily Beast.


Under the terms of legislation passed around the negotiation of the Iran nuclear deal, the president is required every 90 days to determine whether Tehran is in compliance. The measure was designed to put President Barack Obama (and anticipated successor Hillary Clinton) in a bind—forcing politically-uncomfortable declarations in support of an unpopular nuclear accord on the regular. But in the age of Trump, the 90-day-deadline has presented an unanticipated problem.

“Trump doesn’t want to have to be embarrassed every 90 days,” a Senate aide told The Daily Beast.
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BrassDragon

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Heh, I think there are lot of apparatchiks on the Iranian sides who also try to safeguard their national security while dealing with irrational / populist hardliners in power. They're probably sympathetic to McMaster separating the political from the symbolic in an effort to maintain the status quo.

Having said that, I hope McMaster still has enough juice to pull this off - he's been attacked pretty relentlessly in the pro-Trump echo chambers.
 
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ClosingADoor

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RDreamer said:
Some explanation of what's going on:

McMaster Wants to Save the Iran Deal by Hiding It From Trump
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Amazing.

The measure was designed to put President Barack Obama (and anticipated successor Hillary Clinton) in a bind—forcing politically-uncomfortable declarations in support of an unpopular nuclear accord on the regular.
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So they wanted to blame Obama and Clinton every time they had to sign the deal. But now their own guy has to do it and they are fucked.
 
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Korigama

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RDreamer said:
Some explanation of what's going on:

McMaster Wants to Save the Iran Deal by Hiding It From Trump
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Trump doesn't want to have to be embarrassed every 90 days, even though he already embarrasses himself EVERY day. Hoping to save the deal by hiding it from that manchild, having created this problem in the first place because they were hoping to make Democratic presidents look bad... this is the most thoroughly pathetic administration in the history of the country.

There can't be three more years of this crap, never mind potentially seven...
 
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sangreal

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ClosingADoor said:
Amazing.



So they wanted to blame Obama and Clinton every time they had to sign the deal. But now their own guy has to do it and they are fucked.
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Yup

They (both democrats and republicans) opposed the deal for political reasons but didn’t want to actually vote against it so they came up with this dumb plan instead
 
andythinkpad

andythinkpad

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Is there any Obama admin policy left he hasn't shat on? Beside Obama himself that is?


Also this decertification is completely pointless. Iran does business with China, not the US, China get to decide if Iran is being sanctioned.
 
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Madness

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kmax said:
Looking forward seeing Iran starting their nuclear program again.

Thanks, Trump!
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To be honest you'd be a fool to think they ever stopped. Just like NK, for Iran, nuclear weapons are the only equalizer for them against the US and Israel even if they do it secretly. But watch as China and India capitalize on this and use it to their advantage to get closer to Iran and cheaper oil.
 
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