hogendaz85
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Seriously something has got to give!
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Trump to decertify Iran Deal
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I am really, REALLY getting sick and tired of seeing this sentiment in every. single. fucking. thread. about the Fucking Moron-in-Chief.
I shudder to think what will happen to some of you if Mueller legitmately finds nothing that sticks to him.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Obama did it. Must undo.
Absolutely agreed, and I've said as much in other threads. Even IF Mueller builds a rock solid case against this Ship of Fools/Car of Idiots, it's going to take A WHILE for anything to happen with it...possibly years. Get out and protest if there's one around, and more importantly, get out and fucking vote next time (also in 2018). We are in for a ride, and we should not be looking to Mueller to be our savior.
snausagesUK
Member
For real. It's not inconceivable that he might be a private citizen by the time the investigation wraps up anyway.
Saint Gregory
Member
It took me so long to realize that this wasn't The Onion. How is this real life?
American diplomatic leadership is all but dead. The Iraq invasion started the decline after the end of the Cold War and Trump has all but accelerated it. Only delusional Trump-voting Americans see this as a position of strength. They are the ones playing 3D chess while the rest of the world is cucked. But actions like this only hasten the US ending up in the same ash heap of history they said the Soviet Union would end up on.
Onion is irrelevant in 2017. Reality is just trumping the fiction.
andythinkpad
Member
Give him 5 more months Orange Turd probably will quit UN.
TheRealTalker
Banned
I knew this was going to happen
Of course Iran is developing ballistic missiles, sending militias to foreign countries, killing innocents, funding wars, drug trafficking, etc... but this deal was about Iran and its nuclear development.
Now we might get all of the stuff listed above plus them getting a nuclear program like NK.
A nuclear arms race may begin in the ME.
Of course Iran is developing ballistic missiles, sending militias to foreign countries, killing innocents, funding wars, drug trafficking, etc... but this deal was about Iran and its nuclear development.
Now we might get all of the stuff listed above plus them getting a nuclear program like NK.
A nuclear arms race may begin in the ME.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Congratulations USA, you're the bad guys now.
Mueller is not going to save your ass. We need to march on Washington.
Iran isn't going to restart their nuclear weapon program tomorrow over this. Iran has already stated that they will stick to agreement, for now. They also have basically rest of the world behind them on that and scolding Trump for this decision.
This does drive NKorea further away from any reasonable negotiations because why in hell they would trust US to stick to any agreement made after this?
TheRealTalker
Banned
Also explains why they started rushing the Thaad deal with SA
Almost all of the bolded every major nation on Earth is doing. Saudi Arabia does that at probably 10x the amount Iran does. What is the difference between them? Just because one is okay with Israel? Also, I would say this is something that applies greatly to the US over Iran right now. Who do you think is the #1 consumer of recreational drugs, who is the #1 exporter of arms, etc.
Hierophant
Banned
Never make a deal with the United State
lol. The holier than thou westerners attitude when their governments are doing much worse shit than these is hilarious to see.
Imperfected
Member
"Our policy is now that Iran should be free to pursue nuclear weapons."
"Why?"
"The President doesn't want to have to tick a checkbox every three months."
"Why?"
"The President doesn't want to have to tick a checkbox every three months."
Hierophant
Banned
A bunch of Americans still think that their country is a force of good for the world when any cursory glance at history proves it is anything but
This didn't start with Trump, it was always this way.
R10Neymarfan
Member
And the worst fucking place. God what if one of those terrorist extremist groups somehow get weapons and a way to launch them? And they don't give a shit about mutually assured destruction when they feel it's gods will
ShockingAlberto
Member
Yup.
People think Mueller is a movie cop that is going to find The Evidence that Trump personally met with Russia and then they punched babies while agreeing to hack voting machines and Trump will immediately be thrown out of office as soon as Mueller says so.
Off-Topic GAF gets furious if you do anything to suggest that it won't happen this way because you're being a debbie downer and what people want to do is believe everything will be great.
Mueller might find absolutely nothing. He might be threatened, he might be bribed, he might find a mountain of circumstantial evidence, or a line of bodies willing to lay on the train tracks for Trump. He might have something solid but the Republicans in congress won't move until 2018, or 2020, or 2024, or never.
Trump should have never have gotten this far, but he did, and he now has all the protections being the leader of the Republican party affords.
Watch out with that language else the "Whataboutism" crew catch wind of it.
Mr_Antimatter
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Outside of a government collapse, no nation is willingly going to part with a nuke. To do so is illogical, they are all that holds back a more powerful nation with 'regime change' on the menu.
If Iran gets them, they will only serve to prevent invasion, and for Iran to get a place at the big kids table, something Israel and SA do not want.
Baron_Calamity
Member
That's the only reason this is happening.
Pretty sure Pakistan is a worse place for nukes than Iran. The difference is that they are considered America's allies (despite doing a lot of crappy shit against their interests).
TheRealTalker
Banned
I never mentioned any other country
I am just stating something people usually assume the Iran deal did or what they put fourth as to why the Iran deal should be ceased even though it is a deal for non nuclear proliferation and not the things stated above
hence the second statement of
BadAss2961
Member
What else is there to hope for at this point? He's done everything to show he's unfit for office. Mass protests have happened. Republicans aren't going to force him out even though a growing number of them realize he's terrible. The nation is split, he could possibly get re-elected.
Mueller is the only thing that could stop us from getting a full term of this mess.
The frustration some posters have is when it's a given that countries in the region are going to project their power. It's also a given that the US has always tried to assert itself for regional dominance, but the ways and means of this aren't really ever addressed in the same manner, there isn't as much outrage over it from most liberals despite it being particularly monstrous. It's hypocrisy.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
The only reason he ran for office is because he couldn't take being talked down to by a black man. Now that he's in office he's doing everything in his power to nullify each and every accomplishment that black man made it is truly pathetic not to mention extremely racist, irresponsible, dangerous, and immoral.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Here's the thing there are only two options as I see them. Option number one wait until 2018 have an unprecedented turnout in the midterm elections and elect a Democratic Congress. If we manage to do that then we can start on the road to impeachment. As we all know though Democratic turnout in midterm elections and the gerrymandering of our states makes it extremely difficult for that to happen. 2018 is going to be a litmus test for Democrats it's going to be really interesting to see if our constant political engagement will extend to the polls.
Then of course the second option is Mueller conducting a thorough and explosive investigation that gives Republicans no choice but either get him out of office or let him serve the rest of his term from a jail cell.
Personally I would much rather the first option of gaining a democratic Congress since not only will that take care of the problem with getting Trump out but it will also Ensure that anybody replaces him won't be able to still harm the country. However, 2018 midterms seem like an eternity away people are frustrated so I can understand begging Mueller to hurry it up.
I think it is a very real possibility that Mueller isn't able to build a strong enough case to tie Trump directly to anything.
TheRealTalker
Banned
well yeah your right
what I am stating is that the press, governments and other forms of media don't convey deals as properly as they are suppose to and thus we get a guy speaking about to decertifying the Iranian deal on other notions then actually why/what the deal was made primarily for.
I mean listen to his speech:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918901399080935424
what he was listing wasn't anything to do with the nuclear deal.
what he should've done instead was express sanctions for a,b and c and then explain why they need to get sections for a,b and c (in a true world everyone would get penalties for harming innocents, etc...).
but now we literally will have Iran also doing nuclear development as well as whatever.
He also stated in a tweet that countries have been doing business with Iran on which he likely assumes is being used for Iran's expansionist program but again he could've addressed it by literally stating that instead of destroying another deal that prevented a nuclear arsenal being added to the list of many other worries.
The only thing I am seeing is he either wants war really bad or the deal sold off other places like Syria, etc... that the world doesn't know about.
Even if collusion cant be pinned to Trump (Id be surprised if it cant), hes absolutely on the hook for obstruction of justice. By his own admission, even!
Whether or not Congress decides to impeach is another story.
Imperfected
Member
... okay?
I mean, if they're meeting the terms of the deal, then people can trade with them and if they make money by doing so, that's completely normal. "Free Trade as a motivator for peaceful diplomacy" has been American policy for like seventy years.
Their missile system is pretty much their only functional defense.
They mostly send advisors to train armies and thats it. Something even Germany is doing.
You gotta be more concrete than killing innocents.
Iran is actively fighting drug trafficking.
Generalpsyduck
Banned
Mattis will have the war he has wet dreams about.
KernelPanic
Member
Probably posted but I spit out my dinner today:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/919024875670589440
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/919024875670589440
TheRealTalker
Banned
I don't want this to turn into a list wars but just to reply to your question
yeah
https://www.popsci.com/iran-reporte...ile-in-drones-body-for-rebels-in-yemen#page-2
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...udi-arabia-war-yemen-houthis-outflanking.html
but also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
then
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-backs-taliban-with-cash-and-arms-1434065528
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...al-qaeda-members-living-in-iran-idUSKCN1002VK
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/iran/2012-01-29/al-qaeda-iran
some other countries (allies) and even western one's do the same thing but Iran isn't clean
yeah
https://www.popsci.com/iran-reporte...ile-in-drones-body-for-rebels-in-yemen#page-2
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...udi-arabia-war-yemen-houthis-outflanking.html
but also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-...guard-rules-the-countrys-black-market-2015-12
then
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-backs-taliban-with-cash-and-arms-1434065528
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...al-qaeda-members-living-in-iran-idUSKCN1002VK
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/iran/2012-01-29/al-qaeda-iran
some other countries (allies) and even western one's do the same thing but Iran isn't clean
I have hard time coming to terms with this tweet. Moron does realize that world is against his Iran speech and stance? Like only him and few of his goons love it.
Why I'm not surprised Hannity had a say in foreign policy?
Shambalakan
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1.7 million comments from Iranians for the latest Trump post on Instagram! lol
https://www.instagram.com/realdonaldtrump/
Millions of Iranians don't like this regime, but they hate it when someone like Trump says Arabian Gulf instead of Persian Gulf.
https://www.instagram.com/realdonaldtrump/
Millions of Iranians don't like this regime, but they hate it when someone like Trump says Arabian Gulf instead of Persian Gulf.