MS is trying to take on Google, Apple, Sony, Netflix and tons of other companies with Xbox One. They've invested in cloud computing, Xbox Studios, Kinect, etc. Their scope is fucking massive. Their hardware has to account for all these goals and ideas. Sometimes things can get out of your control and lose their way a bit in the process.
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TRUTHFACT: MS having eSRAM yield problems on Xbox One
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MS is trying to take on Google, Apple, Sony, Netflix and tons of other companies with Xbox One. They've invested in cloud computing, Xbox Studios, Kinect, etc. Their scope is fucking massive. Their hardware has to account for all these goals and ideas. Sometimes things can get out of your control and lose their way a bit in the process.
Angry Fork
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They will release it and give 3 year warranty if anything fails. Probably better for MS than delaying until everything is perfect.
I suspected yield issues when some sources said it was 40nm, and given the large amount of estram.
Depends, if yields are bad even with a downclock, they might have no choice.
Personally I expect shortages even with a downclock, especially if the 40nm figure is true.
if they're bad enough to cause a paper launch, they'd effectively give the holiday to sony.
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Man, they better bring the games at E3. I played primarily on the 360 this gen because multiplats were better on there. If they're better on the PS4, which it sounds like they will be, Playstation might be my main console again. E3 is going to be insane. Not sure I can justify buying both consoles, both MS and Sony better bring it with the exclusives.
Before all the XBONE IS DEAD bullshit comes afloat, I've heard developers are understanding and haven't had to compromise too much. Ports of PS4 will look better. However, remember this is still a rumor, and I really didn't want this to turn into a brand new thread until we have some one like cBOAT or Lherre confirming it. It's not something I've pulled from thin air to casually throw around on GAF. There is a reason they didn't mention clock speed at the press event.
MS wont drop the clock speed. They will just buy more fab time and working on bringing yields up.
You can look at it 2 ways.
Does MS want to take a hit on yields for what could be as little as months or be at a huge power disadvantage for a decade ?
Wishmaster92
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lol wuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
Pricing, wrong R&D, not needed etc
Pricing is most likely the reason. Also, MS thought Sony would have 2GB GDDR5. Even the rumored 4GB still meant they would have double the amount of RAM. Even to insiders and devs, the 8GB came out of nowhere, leaving microsoft in the dust. By late feburary (the ps4 reveeal), it was far too late to change the hardware without delaying the release by a good amount.
ginger ninja
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OP seems like i am reading a CIA spy ring intelligence brief
Chuck Norris
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With the info that has come out that they started putting this system together about two years ago, why does it seem to me like they've just gotten some inside info on what Sony was doing and created a bastard child mix between a 360 (RAM design) and a PS4?
MS would rather take a further reduction in power, lower the resolution to 900p, forgo any dreams of tesselation or expensive effects that make no real difference to the average user- and launch at the same as Sony.
Saving a bit for OS. (10% was thrown around earlier).
KittyKittyBangBang
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"Xbox, install AMD Overdrive"
I will hold my heartburn until i figure out if this is an issue to have heartburn over.
I will hold my heartburn until i figure out if this is an issue to have heartburn over.
Over a year ago, the ps4 had 2gb of gddr5, then last year it was upped to 4gb on improving ram chip densities. Sony got lucky in that ram chip densities are going up in time and recently committed to 8gb. It was never a guarantee. MS engineers needed that 8gb guarantee for their goals with the console from the start. Hence their solution using ddr3. Edit: mostly beaten above.
Downgrading the GPU performance goes from low end mainstream to horrible territory. I think there's a Haswell chip with Iris that has that performance. An expensive CPU, but a CPU doing > than XboxOne's APU. Wish MS went with standard parts. Heavily customized parts often have yield issues and COGS issues. I don't understand why people keep doing it.
Delay would be suicide. Leave PS4 on the market for 6+ months by itself with Battlefield 4, COD:Ghosts, Watch Dogs, etc and there would be no coming back for X1.
That depends on their overall product placement strategy.
shinra-bansho
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Insider musical chairs. Around and around we go.
I'm not touching either console at launch. Going to wait a good six months at least to see how thing shake out, on both the hardware and software front. This gen made me cautious.
Militant17
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This is what I was worried about when it was revealed the Xbox One has an external power supply. Obviously it's external to help with heat issues because the box looks big enough to house an internal one.
I doubt it because a difference in power that huge wont blow by the general public.
Aside from that , your assuming yields are bad enough to delay the launch if they stay with the targeted specs.
I actually agree, if this is true it won't matter, Microsoft will still moneyhat and the gaming press will hype up the Xbox One more than both Wii U future and PS4.
no1curr about gaming journalism tho in the public eye. Sales will be the deciding factor of who "wins"
Unless you mean that it will be loved by the public then yes you are right. Don't think there should be doubt
The Iris Pro has nice performance but a very high cost that puts it out of current console design territory.
Because higher customization can also lead to higher savings.
edit: custom libs etc can also lead to issues like tracing a bug in the design.
We still don't have a clear picture of how capable to Wii U is.
The Bird speaks the truth.
BoboBrazil
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Nope, 3rd party ports being superior on the PS4 mean all sites will be using it as the system for their playthroughs of games. Shortly after launch word will get to casual gamers that the superior versions are on PS4 after the hardcore purchase them and tell their friends.
I am not getting one at launch. I am going to wait about a year to make my final decision on what "next gen" console I want. Hopefully by this time there will be bundles and price cuts....
And yes...I had a RROD, but then got a elite with no problems after....but i'm just not taking that chance again
It's not about competency it's about complexity and design choices. They chose OS, television, and the Windows 8 App platform ahead of pure gaming. Those requiered architectural sacrifices and silicon budget to achieve.
ginger ninja
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in any case i presume he was asking in DBZ terms
H_Prestige
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It would be closer to WiiU than ps4. In terms of flops.
ok, do you happen to know if it is 40nm or 28nm. Some sources say the former while others the latter.
Radical_Ed
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About 120 for the CPU and something like 240 for the GPU (yet not OoO allowed in the CPU, so less efficient). So, something near 360 flops, which is also what is rumoured to have a Wii U.
Examples. Because it doesn't look like it here nor did it work for either of the HD twins.
On the other hand, I'm betting PS4's COGS 3 years from now will be super cheap. GDDR5 will be cheap per GB because so many things use it.
Yup, it's not that hard to understand really.
TAJ
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They've done it before. Hell, with the original Xbox they revised the announced GPU clock speed twice. (From 300 to 250 to 233.)
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