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[Maiden Voyage]

It makes sense that the people who support Musk are also Peterson fans. Jesus fuck how sad.

Anyways, my friend who was fired from Twitter already has a job offer from a SF area biotech company. It seems all of the Twitter employees leaving or being fired are getting greedily gobbled up by other companies as fast as possible. And rightfully so.

I don't hate Peterson and quite enjoyed his first book. He's clearly fallen down the grifting rabbit hole, though. He's turned himself into a meme at this point.

 

[Wildebeest]

Upgrade your favourite public intellectual to a more efficient one.



Twice the hotdog consumption rate of other public intellectuals.

 

[Clear]

It makes sense that the people who support Musk are also Peterson fans. Jesus fuck how sad.

Anyways, my friend who was fired from Twitter already has a job offer from a SF area biotech company. It seems all of the Twitter employees leaving or being fired are getting greedily gobbled up by other companies as fast as possible. And rightfully so.

Why? Twitter wasn't profitable, wasn't a tech leader, was permanently mired in controversy over political speech. All it had was that it was the chosen social media platform of the liberal/progressive elite.

Want to explain why pre-Musk takeover Twitter was "good" by any metric?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Hey. At least Peterson and the Babylon Bee are back.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Season 7 of Silicon Valley.

 

[TylerD]

This was pretty interesting. He’s now a Twitter intern according to his profile.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

It makes sense that the people who support Musk are also Peterson fans. Jesus fuck how sad.

Anyways, my friend who was fired from Twitter already has a job offer from a SF area biotech company. It seems all of the Twitter employees leaving or being fired are getting greedily gobbled up by other companies as fast as possible. And rightfully so.

I hope they matched the $500K Twitter was paying. I also hope the thousands of Cisco, Meta and Salesforce software engineers that got fired in the SF area within the past couple of week are getting gobbled up by other companies as well.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

 

[SJRB]

lmao what the fuck?

Yeah just hire entire teams if they work great together, why not.

 

[BadBurger]

I hope they matched the $500K Twitter was paying. I also hope the thousands of Cisco, Meta and Salesforce software engineers that got fired in the SF area within the past couple of week are getting gobbled up by other companies as well.

My friend was definitely not getting anywhere near $500k. The average salary there for low level engineers, which he was, is around $150k.

Also Cisco is down in San Jose. I know because I went there for work a few times.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Tumblr looking at getting SEs for half the price.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I just watched the video of senior software engineer saying that he worked 4 hours in the past quarter. Not sure how real it is though.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Hot take. People hating on Elon are as cringe as the ones idolizing him.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

To be fair, other departments can be shit too.

I do finance. My job relies on good data. If IT/tech dept can t load the data correctly my job gets affected too. I can say the same... how hard can it be to load and churn out data?

The worst part is the dept doesn't even check their work to see if it's correct. Most of the time they only correct it if one of us notices junk data like something is wrong or some reason it's spitting out all zeros. So the dept goes on auto-pilot until someone brings it up.

And then when we tell them there's a problem.... "Can you guys submit a ticket?". Ok fine, here's your IT ticket. Then sometimes they'll respond back saying they fixed it and close the ticket. I check and it's still wrong. So again it shows they didn't even check or do the work.

Then when I say it's still wrong, they'll come back and say can you reissue a new ticket because the old one is closed.

Hey, no skin off my back really. If someone says what's up I just say the system is wrong and I'm waiting for IT to fix it again, taking forever and having me redo a ticket. If it gets bad, we just copy their department director on he email trail.

Wow--Do we work in the same Finance department? Lol

 

[BadBurger]

 

[The Book Reader]

Twitter will survive just fine imo. What we are seeing is a bunch of cry babies upset that one of the biggest social media platforms is no longer going to be controlled by a political party.

Twitter is going to be just fine.

 

[Aesius]

How does Big Tech typically hire for entry-level jobs? I mean, does your average Comp Sci graduate from a directional school in the Midwest have a chance of getting hired or do they typically only take kids from Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, NYU, etc.?

 

[akimbo009]

How does Big Tech typically hire for entry-level jobs? I mean, does your average Comp Sci graduate from a directional school in the Midwest have a chance of getting hired or do they typically only take kids from Ivy League, Stanford, Caltech, NYU, etc.?

Internships, mostly, and from ivy and some obvious others but they also hire from other schools too. College students can also otherwise apply for the intern program if the school isn't already in the program itself.

Other entry is like normal, people apply and get interviews, and an offer is submitted or not. At these big tech companies, generally folks have a Master's degree but not always. And a lot are looking to hire from more diverse backgrounds and schools to get a wider range of views. Non schooling backgrounds also work - it's really just a matter of applying and getting through the process.

Unlike how some are portraying things here, tech companies are basically like any other. I have worked in the tech industry for a long time, but also in other non-tech settings, and it's all the same - bunch of people hanging out, getting drunk, and working hard when they need to and otherwise trying to make shit work out for them.

 

[ReBurn]

The best thing about this whole mess imho is that it has exposed every Silicon Valley ugly secret as truth.

The entitled overpaid tech workers who care more about politics and lattes than working.

The clueless executives who overhire and make the company full of useless bloat that mass firings are inevitable when things go bad.

The H1b visa workers who are pretty much slave labor who have no choice but to obey their slave masters.

The H1B belongs to the worker, not the company. An H1B holder can change jobs as long as their new job is within the scope of their visa and their new employer will sponsor them. If they're good at what they do they tend to make as much as everyone else because they can and do leave.

Often a portion of an H1B holder's total compensation is the money their employer pays in legal fees on their behalf since a lot of those folks ultimately are seeking a green card and can't afford the legal fees themselves. There's also visa rules that limit their ability to accept different or more senior roles as role changes can affect their immigration status. I've had people on H1B ask me to not promote them because they were afraid of what it would do to their immigration status. I have a guy now who wants to be a manager but didn't accept the job because he didn't want the title change to affect his visa renewal and green card application.

But yeah, every employer just uses them for slave labor. That's the whole story.

 

[akimbo009]

The H1B belongs to the worker, not the company. An H1B holder can change jobs as long as their new job is within the scope of their visa and their new employer will sponsor them. If they're good at what they do they tend to make as much as everyone else because they can and do leave.

Often a portion of an H1B holder's total compensation is the money their employer pays in legal fees on their behalf since a lot of those folks ultimately are seeking a green card and can't afford the legal fees themselves. There's also visa rules that limit their ability to accept different or more senior roles as role changes can affect their immigration status. I've had people on H1B ask me to not promote them because they were afraid of what it would do to their immigration status. I have a guy now who wants to be a manager but didn't accept the job because he didn't want the title change to affect his visa renewal and green card application.

But yeah, every employer just uses them for slave labor. That's the whole story.

Great post, and a part of this story that folks haven't considered correctly - a bunch of folks with H1Bs were tossed to the street so they are on a timer - and that's bullshit.

I wish some posters in this thread would listen and shut the fuck up about things they really don't know when there are folks here who actually have experience in this and can provide accurate insights.

 

[It's all in the wrist]

It makes sense that the people who support Musk are also Peterson fans. Jesus fuck how sad.

They're two completely different people, and I respect them for completely different reasons.

Twitter is definitely bringing out the worst in Peterson. It's all negativity with him lately.

 

[jdtemp]

We have a twitter death watch thread can we have a GAF coping thread. We can update it everyday twitter is still working.

 

[Vestal]

We have a twitter death watch thread can we have a GAF coping thread. We can update it everyday twitter is still working.

As if anyone here had any real vested interest in how this shit show ends.

I think I speak for most everyone here when I say.

We are here for the workers who are hurting and the endless popcorn moments.

 

[The Book Reader]

As if anyone here had any real vested interest in how this shit show ends.

I think I speak for most everyone here when I say.

We are here for the workers who are hurting and the endless popcorn moments.

How exactly are you here for the workers? Condolences? Look around the tech world , mass layoffs are pretty normal right now. Are you just here to say sorry you lost your job?

 

[jdtemp]

How exactly are you here for the workers? Condolences? Look around the tech world , mass layoffs are pretty normal right now. Are you just here to say sorry you lost your job?

Don't forget the 3 months of severance and 6 of health insurance.

 

[Rentahamster]

Musk knows how to get headlines and he revels in the spotlight. I'm almost certain there are a few agendas behind the polls. I was wondering if bots would be one, and it seems maybe so. I still do think he had his mind made up about the answer prior to the poll.

That poll is a honeypot for bots if I've ever seen one.

 

[The Book Reader]

Don't forget the 3 months of severance and 6 of health insurance.

That’s pretty fair. I’m Union and get about 5 months of health insurance in my banked up hours. I get no severance .

 

[diffusionx]

They're two completely different people, and I respect them for completely different reasons.

Twitter is definitely bringing out the worst in Peterson. It's all negativity with him lately.

Peterson is the guy who claimed he didnt sleep for a month because he drank a glass of apple cider. He’s a lunatic. He’s deeply unhinged. I hope he gets the help he needs but he should not be out there doling advice to impressionable people.

 

[The Book Reader]

Peterson is the guy who claimed he didnt sleep for a month because he drank a glass of apple cider. He’s a lunatic. He’s deeply unhinged. I hope he gets the help he needs but he should not be out there doling advice to impressionable people.

Don’t know Peterson, but what you just explained is called marketing. I have a news flash for you , anyone who is anyone and rich does this shit but in different ways. You need to see through the political bullshit and just understand that everyone is chasing the almighty dollar.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I wish some posters in this thread would listen and shut the fuck up about things they really don't know when there are folks here who actually have experience in this and can provide accurate insights.

"Shut up and only listen to what i say!"

Thats some peak social media take right here.

 

[akimbo009]

"Shut up and only listen to what i say!"

Thats some peak social media take right here.

I put myself up for a ban to help get y'all some clarity instead of talking about shit you don't understand. Don't listen, that's fine - but it's just stupid comments at this point.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

 

[Moneal]

Yes its cheaper, they have more drive, more energy, and are usually more passionate about their work. That is usually a good combination for low level employees.

 

[Guilty_AI]

I put myself up for a ban to help get y'all some clarity instead of talking about shit you don't understand. Don't listen, that's fine - but it's just stupid comments at this point.

I offer some better advice to bring more "clarity" to "y'all":

Don't belive shit you see online, that includes ex-employee twitters or whatever 'specialists' say here or in other places. Shitshows situations like this one, specially when modern politics somehow end up involved (like that guy on CNN a few pages back that somehow wanted to equate Elon with (lol)Trump(lol)), are festering beds for misinformation and shiitakes, to the point where knowing whats fake or not is nigh impossible.
And yes, that includes misinformation that corroborates whatever *you* want to believe in, yes *you* reading this right now.

 

[Faust]

Everyone has a right to speak on this issue. Stop demanding that only particular people should be able to speak.

 

[It's all in the wrist]

Peterson is the guy who claimed he didnt sleep for a month because he drank a glass of apple cider. He’s a lunatic. He’s deeply unhinged. I hope he gets the help he needs but he should not be out there doling advice to impressionable people.

I've read his books and listened to countless podcasts of his. He has on esteemed guests (as well as people that I don't agree with) and has insightful conversations with them. He's far from a lunatic. You're being reductive.

I'm not on board with his carnivore diet. He's sharing his personal experience with his and his daughters health related to dieting, and he's said many times he doesn't know why certain foods cause issues with him.

 

[Rentahamster]

I've read his books and listened to countless podcasts of his. He's far from a lunatic. You're being reductive.

"Lunatic" is a little strong, but Peterson has been acting strange for the past few years. He's a self-help guru that ended up not following his own rules to live by. I don't think his access to Twitter is good for his mental health given his tendency to be trolled easily and emotionally lash out excessively in response.

 

[Thaedolus]

 

[bender]

I missed the better part of my 20s because of this and I did so willingly and happily. And now so full of regret.

 

[SJRB]

I missed the better part of my 20s because of this and I did so willingly and happily. And now so full of regret.

If you did it willingly and it made you happy, what is there to regret?

 

[bender]

If you did it willingly and it made you happy, what is there to regret?

Hindsight, experience, and wisdom help you see things differently. Given the chance at a do-over, I'd certainly would have made different choices.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Follow up tweets. I don't disagree with anything he is saying. Obviously it's up to the individual to make their own choices. I've definitely put in some 80 hour weeks over the years. I don't think without those I would be at the level I am but, I am also at a point in my life where I don't really want more so I've scaled back how much time & energy I put into things at work.

 

[Vestal]

How exactly are you here for the workers? Condolences? Look around the tech world , mass layoffs are pretty normal right now. Are you just here to say sorry you lost your job?

As far as my reason to pay attention to this. I am in the tech industry so the treatment and or outcome for the workers is something I have an interest in.

 

[Toons]

I missed the better part of my 20s because of this and I did so willingly and happily. And now so full of regret.

Yea. Unless its something im truly passionate about, something I want to see happen for me and others I care about, and/or something I will have long lasting satisfaction from achieving, I'm not giving the precious hours of the prime of my life to some corp.

A lot of these folks come out of the education system primed with brain rot from being told the most valuable thing they can do with their time is give everything they have to these corporations to set up a resume and reputation, but that rarely if ever materializes in the way they'll tell you. If you're lucky it might get you in a good spot, but its certainly not the only avenue.

Its beat into your head that you'll be passed over fir someone with better credentials but thats a lie. Hopefully this very public Twitter fiasco will open some eyes to how unpredictable this particular market is as far as employment goes. You could have the dream job at a large company with a future, then your company gets bought out and you're kicked to the curb in a matter of weeks.

 

[Artoris]

I hope it's permanent

 

[FunkMiller]

"Lunatic" is a little strong, but Peterson has been acting strange for the past few years. He's a self-help guru that ended up not following his own rules to live by. I don't think his access to Twitter is good for his mental health given his tendency to be trolled easily and emotionally lash out excessively in response.

The trajectory of anyone who has built their career almost exclusively on social media commentary and engagement is likely to suffer the same fate. A bad one.

 

[akimbo009]

I offer some better advice to bring more "clarity" to "y'all":

Don't belive shit you see online, that includes ex-employee twitters or whatever 'specialists' say here or in other places. Shitshows situations like this one, specially when modern politics somehow end up involved (like that guy on CNN a few pages back that somehow wanted to equate Elon with (lol)Trump(lol)), are festering beds for misinformation and shiitakes, to the point where knowing whats fake or not is nigh impossible.
And yes, that includes misinformation that corroborates whatever *you* want to believe in, yes *you* reading this right now.

Everyone has a right to speak on this issue. Stop demanding that only particular people should be able to speak.

I am asserting here because I am in this industry, got vetted by evilore, and seeing folks reference a single TikTok for all their knowledge around the tech industry and how folks work in this space is frustrating. There are a number of others who are in this space and telling what seems to be a resistance to listening or tying to understand what is actually happening (and why Musk's approach here is totally insane).

So yeah.. maybe some moderation is needed here but seems we need to move on the topic at hand instead of bashing tech workers.

 

[strange headache]

I am asserting here because I am in this industry, got vetted by evilore, and seeing folks reference a single TikTok for all their knowledge around the tech industry and how folks work in this space is frustrating. There are a number of others who are in this space and telling what seems to be a resistance to listening or tying to understand what is actually happening (and why Musk's approach here is totally insane).

So yeah.. maybe some moderation is needed here but seems we need to move on the topic at hand instead of bashing tech workers.

Consulting tech workers about Twitter is like consulting coal workers about climate change.

Working in tech doesn't automatically validate your opinion or invalidate others. Also it is pretty pretentious to think that others don't have similar expertise or that their views are uninformed only because you disagree from your limited personal experience. People have the right to come to different conclusions, deal with it.

Tech workers have created this whole social media mess and its disastrous impact on public discourse. They were warned by other experts years ago, but refused to listen.

 

[akimbo009]

Consulting tech workers about Twitter is like consulting coal workers about climate change.

Working in tech doesn't automatically validate your opinion or invalidate others. Also it is pretty pretentious to think that others don't have similar expertise or that their views are uninformed only because you disagree from your limited personal experience. People have the right to come to different conclusions, deal with it.

Tech workers have created this whole social media mess and its disastrous impact on public discourse. They were warned by other experts years ago, but refused to listen.

Tech isn't just social media... And if you basically are saying what I say doesn't matter which you are we're back at the beginning of the moderation guidance.

Anyway - pile on as needed, I'll come back around for the other laughs instead of this particular debate which is off topic.