Huw_Dawson
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In fairness he did - it did look especially bizarre when I tuned in, though!
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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In fairness he did - it did look especially bizarre when I tuned in, though!
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
It is almost like you rushed to a conclusion before getting a grip of all the facts...
(Corbyn is terrible though!)
Huw_Dawson
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It's just quicker to do 3 questions at a time.
I wish people would just chill out trying to frame everything he does as a negative and listen to what he's saying. Just look at these pledges and if you disagree with them then fine but people should at least listen to the bloke.
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/10-pledges
Ravensmash
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I don't think he's coming across too badly tbh.
Corbyn is good at campaigning, he's been doing it his entire life. I think he could have a pretty good campaign until CCHQ start putting up posters of him praising the IRA and calling for the dissolution of the army etc.
PJV3
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I agree they need to split but the current system would kill off the Left wing part, and the Blairite wing would need to appeal to LibDems and moderate tories to survive. It's the illusion of choice, hopefully leaving the EU will force us to start looking at our own system eventually.
Halph n Halph
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http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/10-pledges
Utopia. I don't know why anyone else hasn't thought of it.
Utopia. I don't know why anyone else hasn't thought of it.
How is all this being paid for?
tamaster92
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I usually vote Green Party (they actually have decent chances of a seat where I am) but at an election like this I feel it would be throwing my vote away for what I want our government to do.
So which of the big 3 is most aligned with my views?
Mainly being positive of EU, LGBT and equal rights, left leaning, and generally not being an asshole to people
So which of the big 3 is most aligned with my views?
Mainly being positive of EU, LGBT and equal rights, left leaning, and generally not being an asshole to people
Thank you everyone
I wouldn't have high hopes for the deposit let's put it that way
Huw_Dawson
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It's not his policy that's at fault really - that always polls well. It's his leadership and the overall direction.
He's energetic.
And it'll be fully costed in their manifesto, apparently.
If you're a socialist there's a possibility you'll find Labour your closest group, however you're probably going to find more in common with the Lib Dems.
He's energetic.
And it'll be fully costed in their manifesto, apparently.
If you're a socialist there's a possibility you'll find Labour your closest group, however you're probably going to find more in common with the Lib Dems.
Your link is missing a -
I clicked on it and thought the resulting error page was more hilarious Labour ineptitude!
tamaster92
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Yeah, reading the labour 10 pledges they appeal quite a lot, will have to look at lib dems too, see which is more likely to win here as well.
Halph n Halph
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Edited it . Apologies for my fat fingers using a phone.
Huw_Dawson
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We do actual 404 jokes, though
http://www.libdems.org.uk/vfeqb
Again, the Labour pledges are going to sound good - the question be how credible they are. I've got no problem with free school meals for everyone (other than perhaps the long queues at lunch!) but if the Tory machine rips the budget to shreds it's not a good look for them.
He also did dodge the question of Brexit in that QnA section - as noted afterwards by the Beeb. His EU policy sounds very similar to the Tories - do a transitional deal, drop from the Single Market, work out a trade deal.
LOL at that Mail comment.
They're a nasty lot.
PJV3
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Charles Brandon
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re pledges - nothing objectionable there however, home building, NHS, tax/income inequality are all very much easier said than done, especially the last two. The underlying issue with the NHS is that people are living longer and expensive cures for later life diseases are more prevalent, leading to exponentially rising costs. As for tax well, as a tax professional, I wish him the best of luck.
Full employment is not much to shout about either, on it's own, employment rates are already pretty good, although quality is poor.
So in summary it's put taxes up, spend on services, so far, so Labour and not unappealing but he;'s going to have to give some detail on the tax thing and it won't go down well.
Full employment is not much to shout about either, on it's own, employment rates are already pretty good, although quality is poor.
So in summary it's put taxes up, spend on services, so far, so Labour and not unappealing but he;'s going to have to give some detail on the tax thing and it won't go down well.
Randy Lanzarote
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ENEMIES OF THE STATE!
CORBYN!
MCDONNELL!
LINEKER!.... ?
CORBYN!
MCDONNELL!
LINEKER!.... ?
PJV3
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Only one of those would make the the top ten most dangerous ever list, hint, he played football.
Nah, she's over 15.
QuicheFontaine
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That was my first thought too. Maybe a mistake to put that as the first pledge? I see that and think "unemployment can't really go much lower, is that their main complaint?".
Also, and I will have to defer to Crab MP here, isn't *actual* full employment a bad thing? Like, if I want to start a business and everyone's already employed, where does my staff come from?
Randy Lanzarote
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Camp Freddie
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Another reason to dislike Corbyn.
I believe Blair's genius was largely due to halting the generational switch to Conservatism.
Likewise, Dave's genius was convincing people that voting Tory doesn't mean you have to be some racist old grandpa. Both of them reached out to the 'aspirational' people who wanted a strong economy but didn't want to throw all their liberal values under the bus.
Admittedly, both were helped by long periods of opposition, which tends to stop people switching their vote to the ruling party (because no-one really likes the government, whoever they are).
Corbyn seems too incompetent to keep middle-aged middle-of-the-road liberals voting Labour. Corbyn's got a good chunk of the the young and liberal vote, but he'll never appeal to the middle-income people with careers to pursue, mortgages to pay and kids to look after.
I know a lot of 30/40-somethings who don't want to vote for him and are in a bit of a limbo (they won't vote Tory, but think Corbyn and Farron are not viable alternatives). Drawing a big cock and balls on the ballot paper seems like a stronger candidate for the Gen X constituency.
My only (forlorn) hope is that May's "Thatcher 2.0" routine won't be popular amongst the generation that came of age in the Thatcher years. Even if your parents voted Tory, hating Thatcher was mandatory for teenagers in that era.
Maybe Clive Lewis or someone will be good for 2022, assuming he doesn't get filmed wiping his arse with the union jack or something.
Huw_Dawson
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Euro- oh wait
Progressive tax policy? It's pledge number 8.
Funny how when the government wants higher taxes they have to spell out exactly how much but when they want to lower them no one asks 'oh hey, so If I get ill or lose a leg, will the government still help me? Or will I be left with no way to work/feed myself/live?'
I lolled
My vague memory of A-level economics is that yes its not good, pretty much for the reasons you said; it's harder to stimulate growth if all the labour in an economy is already allocated to something
Doesn't a good chunk of the current employed figures come from zero hours contracts?
Charles Brandon
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Progressive tax policy isn't good enough. It needs to be detailed. I'm not suggesting he should have those policies now but he needs them soon because they are the foundation of his manifesto.
ONS says 2.5% of employment
Also not everyone with a zero-hours contract wants a full contract (but they are clearly a net negative force)
ONS says 2.5% of employment
Also not everyone with a zero-hours contract wants a full contract (but they are clearly a net negative force)
900,000 as of September.
Now he just needs to put that pledge in to stone, literally. Like Ed did.
Charles Brandon
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sometime Corbyn ally* Helen Goodman MP tells ITV news that election is not about a change of goverment
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/854996348206239745
*currently estranged admittedly
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/854996348206239745
*currently estranged admittedly
This is the standard playbook of the right, seen all across America as well. The right wing seems more held together by hypocrisy than anything else.
Charles Brandon
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I would have no issue with that
edit: re: Cooper
edit: re: Cooper
Steverulez
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Wonder she will say something and then she will actually do what she says without u-turning, flip flopping or making herself look ridiculous.
But it is not this day
Camp Freddie
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His policies are generally good, but will be expensive. I absolutely agree that he needs to spell out the details of how he would pay for such ambitious public sector investments.
Fear of large tax rises amongst 'average' earners is his Achilles' heel. His promises sound a lot like the Tories' promises of a post-Brexit golden age.
From an economics perspective, full employment is when you have temporary unemployment, ie people who are in between jobs and so on, but no one who's stuck in long term unemployment. Probably corresponds to around 2% unemployment I would guess.
A separate number is the NAIRU, or the level of unemployment at which any decrease will lead to higher inflation, as wage inflation rises due to low availability of workers. The Bank of England estimates that this may be about 4% currently.
A separate number is the NAIRU, or the level of unemployment at which any decrease will lead to higher inflation, as wage inflation rises due to low availability of workers. The Bank of England estimates that this may be about 4% currently.
Huw_Dawson
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Yeah, full employment is an optimised economy where everyone has work. It's old-school consensus politics from the post-war period.
She got like 15% and finished third. Take the hint.
I mean, it is a fairly standard Conservative tactic at this point: you leak rumours that you're planning on doing something unhelpful, evil, or unpopular, then you do something that's still one of those three but not as bad and everyone goes "oh, that's not so bad" and forget about it.
Plus I think she might be plotting to turn around and do a head-to-head with Corbyn. She must have people in the party telling her it's a sure-fire win.
Me and some mates were tossing about the idea of forming a Wenger Out party to run against Corbyn in Islington. Made me realise I have no idea what's actually involved in starting your own party
A guy I used to work with was actually looking into standing as an independent this time around. I'm not sure where he is in the venture at the moment, but his initial forays made it very clear that the Electoral Commission were caught on the hop a bit here - couldn't actually apply until the *formal* vote had gone through, and after he had there were 404s all over the place.
Charles Brandon
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current unemployment rate is 4.7% (ONS)
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