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[velvet_nitemare]

Sure, they will - but only if they buy the consoles in the first place. Will they? Maybe. Maybe not. Great pre-order numbers are useless - Wii U had those as well. Will 50 million people buy PS4 for Knack and Killzone? Nope. 50 million Xbones for Rise? Not going to happen. Or maybe they will. We'll see.

Who here expects Knack/Killzone and Ryse to push 50 million units? Seriously.

 

[Mesoian]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

 

[shinobi602]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

 

[OG Loc]

Alright, which one of you guys reading this thread is running the @NeoGafShitPosts Twitter account?

 

[Jezbollah]

All last gen growth was driven by the Wii. That says it all.

To a large extent, the Wii was Nintendo's own worst enemy. It's growth to demographics that previously wouldn't have bought a console resulted in that growth - but it's also the reason why the Wii U has failed (in comparison) so far. I would love to know the percentage of the non-gamer demographic who bought Wiis who have not bought Wii Us.

 

[Coffee Dog]

Nintendo games are made for intelligent people? Is that why the new Mario and Luigi game spends more time telling you how to play the game than actually having you play it?

Because when you dont you get people that don't get how the controls work or how the game is played. See: kid icarus, skyward sword, wonderful 101

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

 

[Dukey]

That's not how it works. Ever noticed how "gamers" are getting older and older on average? That's not because more and more old people enter, it's because more and more young people don't.

No, it's because it's a hobby that people dont universally grow out of. The number of older games will always outstrip the number of new gamers, and when they don't the industry is in a lot of trouble.

 

[Dukey]

Because when you dont you get people that don't get how the controls work or how the game is played. See: kid icarus, skyward sword, wonderful 101

But he said Nintendo gamers are more intelligent. Yet MS and Sony fans don't need Dark Souls spelled out to them, but Mario and Luigi requires 20 hours of tutorials? Perhaps he was just being sarcastic and I'm stupid for not seeing it.

-sorry about the double post.

 

[KennyLinder]

Because when you dont you get people that don't get how the controls work or how the game is played. See: kid icarus, skyward sword, wonderful 101

Brilliant.

 

[AOC83]

You're trolling by saying that its inherently more intelligent, but gameplay-focused game design is very much falling out of vogue and nintendo are one of a small number of devs trying to keep it alive.

I mean look at GTAV; a lot of its appeal comes from the atmosphere, the story, and the thrill of exploration. But mechanically, its incredibly run of the mill. Not that thats bad, its just not where GTAV is focused.

No it´s not. Both driving and shooting are absolutely ace, especially for a open world game. And Nintendo has nothing to rival this.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

No it´s not. Both driving and shooting are absolutely ace, especially for a open world game.

The shooting is good...for an open world game. It's a very mediocre shooter by any other regard.

 

[Rich!]

Because when you dont you get people that don't get how the controls work or how the game is played. See: kid icarus, skyward sword, wonderful 101

I've been playing games since 1994, finished Battletoads and Dark Souls numerous times without issues, and even I couldn't put up with the controls on Kid Icarus and W101. It's just me - I couldn't stand it.

I loved Skyward Sword though, although a second playthrough made me aware of just how weak it is in parts (that robot escort bit is the worst thing Nintendo have ever done. ever)

 

[SwiftDeath]

I'm not sure the Wii U is going to do all that well this holiday season

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

 

[not_so_special]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

a man in a high horse...

 

[MaschinenZimmer]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

 

[ridethepiggy]

Will be interesting to see if x1/ps4 will do any better

Are you serious?

 

[Rich!]

a man in a high horse...

A man in a high horse? Something like this?

 

[Coffee Dog]

No it´s not. Both driving and shooting are absolutely ace, especially for a open world game. And Nintendo has nothing to rival this.

The shooting isnt anywhere near the best in the genre. Max payne 3, another r* game, is far, far tighter.

GTAV's is good enough, but dont act like its above any other 3rd person shooter except, like, janky ass mass effect lol

 

[Road]

Retailers are just continuing to react to the sales trends.

Perspective:

360-GTAV-5days: 1282k

3DS-everything: 1060k

PS3-GTAV-5days: 967k

WiiU-everything: 242k

Vita-everything: 240k

 

[wsippel]

Who here expects Knack/Killzone and Ryse to push 50 million units? Seriously.

I sure as hell don't. Thing is: Games like GTA won't push 50 million consoles, either. They sell to people who already have the platforms. What's going to push platforms? I have no idea. Not even Mario Bros, one of the very best selling franchises in gaming, managed to sell five million systems.

 

[B.O.O.M]

This is a joke post of course, but I wish it could be taken as a serious post. Sadly most Nintendo games these days feel like they were developed for people with a lack of common sense and a learning disability.

Please enjoy our endless tutorials where we explain everything countless times.

"Wow you got a hammer. You can probably smash things with this hammer. Here let me show you how to use the hammer. Did you get all that? Do you want me to show you how to use the hammer? Good job you used the hammer. Don't forget! You can use the hammer to break objects!"

OT: This thread reminds me of those wiiu sellout pics threads we had at the launch of the system..depressing and funny at the same time. WiiU and Vita are both pretty much dead at this point in UK.

PS4/XB1 are not going to make it any easier for the wiiu either

 

[Pain]

Sure, they will - but only if they buy the consoles in the first place. Will they? Maybe. Maybe not. Great pre-order numbers are useless - Wii U had those as well. Will 50 million people buy PS4 for Knack and Killzone? Nope. 50 million Xbones for Rise? Not going to happen. Or maybe they will. We'll see.

Yes, I'm salty. I'm salty because the console industry as a whole is going down the drain, and idiots think I say that because I'm a Nintendo fan. I might be a Nintendo fan, but that's not my motivation. I'm also a huge fan of mid-tier games, but that's a different thing. I got my tag for a reason. Casuals and mobile gaming are going to kill this industry we know and love - there's no place for petty system wars here.

Wii U just like all Nintendo consoles in the past has very little 3rd party support. PS4 and XB1 have incredible 3rd party support and that alone will have them sell much better than Wii u even at much higher prices.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

I sure as hell don't. Thing is: Games like GTA won't push 50 million consoles, either. They sell to people who already have the platforms. What's going to push platforms? I have no idea. Not even Mario Bros, one of the very best selling franchises in gaming, managed to sell five million systems.

The consoles will sell gradually ovber time on the strength of their libraries and value proposition. The console industry has lost some customers that aren't coming back, but I seriously doubt that PS4/XBONE/WiiU combined will sell less than the 360. That's what you're claiming in this thread, if you think console gaming has shrunk to that point.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Wii U just like all Nintendo consoles in the past has very little 3rd party support. PS4 and XB1 have incredible 3rd party support and that alone will have them sell much better than Wii u even at much higher prices.

All Nintendo consoles? NES/SNES would like a word with you.

(Now, all since the N64...)

 

[M°°nblade]

That's not how it works. Ever noticed how "gamers" are getting older and older on average? That's not because more and more old people enter, it's because more and more young people don't.

No, that's just an assumption you make. Without knowing the standard deviation a rising average could mean an expansion as well.

 

[Finalizer]

A game is a $60 investment. The main investment, the one for the system itself, already happened long ago for most customers. Millions of people buying GTAV for a system they already own doesn't mean the same people will buy millions of consoles to play GTAVI at some point.

It was such a shame when the PS3 & 360 were dead on arrival since there were already 100+ million folks with PS2s and no one bought new hardware.

 

[Taker666]

The Wii U is dead here. Its been dead since launch and Mario and DK wont change that.

I have the console but I see no way back in the UK.

Well there's the good old "pay for shelfspace" tactic.

Sony must do it as my local Asda has one section for Vita but only 2 shelves of a section for the 3DS...and that certainly isn't down to sales.

I think the charge of leadership and marketing Directors hasn't helped in the UK. Plus you're just not seeing the sort of marketing in terms of quality or quantity that they had back when they launched the Wii or DS. You could barely go one ad-break without seeing DS or Wii being pimped and they sponsored a bunch of shows as well.

We're back to the GBA/Gamecube days of conservative marketing now.

 

[JennyTablina]

Actually the space where Nintendo used to be in my Tesco is now for Xbox/PSN/blinkbox cards and the rest of the space is Skylanders right now.

Also I always find it funny that ASDA dropped Wii U in such a public way for being a poor seller, yet every ASDA store still has a Vita chart, something the other supermarkets haven't bothered with for months...

Not really surprised, Wii U just hasn't got the general appeal that Xbone and PS4 will have out the gate. I think things will pick up a bit with Wii Fit...maybe, but Wii U is never going to hit the dizzy heights Wii managed, and I think deep down, Nintendo have long since realized this. Pointless chasing the bones Microsoft and Sony want, they have to chart their own course again.

 

[wsippel]

Wii U just like all Nintendo consoles in the past has very little 3rd party support. PS4 and XB1 have incredible 3rd party support and that alone will have them sell much better than Wii u even at much higher prices.

Really? Where are those games? I simply don't see the support. It'll probably come if the systems, you know, sell, but we haven't seen it yet. E3 came and went, Gamescom came and went, TGS came and went - where are the games? You can actually count them on two hands - one hand if you remove cross generation titles. Where are the fucking games!? We're playing "The Emperor's New Clothes" here. At TGS, PS4 got, like, a Grasshopper title (that will almost certainly bomb, because nobody gives a shit) and a F2P game by Capcom. Xbone got nothing. Think about that for a moment.

 

[Dysun]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

 

[Twio]

It would certainly help in getting the message out there that there is actually a 'new' Nintendo console called the Wii U.

Except it wouldn't. Because the issue is in the name, not the spotlight on it. The display or spotlight on it may also be an issue for the Wii U but the name is a much bigger issue that I can't see them fixing.

You're literally saying that if a retailer puts something many people don't know about on display in a store window it'll sell which isn't true.

Nintendo needs to do a huge Ad Campaign for the Wii U before the holidays approach.

 

[Red Chocobo]

Nintendo need a Wii-U game where you pay football, whilst eating chips and collecting your dole money.

 

[skypunch]

Any word on what Nintendo have or are currently doing to help promote the Wii U? I haven't seen a single Wii U ad anywhere. They need to be more agressive!

 

[wsippel]

Any word on what Nintendo have or are currently doing to help promote the Wii U? I haven't seen one single Wii U ad anywhere. They need to be more agressive!

They do, but they're still focussing on 3DS. That's what they spend most of their time and marketing budget on.

 

[silver.tongue]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

The fact that your avatar is a DualShock 4 makes me think this is sarcasm... you can't possibly be serious.

Right?

 

[Kouriozan]

Business is business, can't blame them

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Not surprising, I noticed the Wii U section in my local Game was about half what it was a couple of weeks ago. That space is now being used for XB1 and PS4 advertising.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

Really? Where are those games? I simply don't see the support. It'll probably come if the systems, you know, sell, but we haven't seen it yet. E3 came and went, Gamescom came and went, TGS came and went - where are the games? You can actually count them on two hands - one hand if you remove cross generation titles. Where are the fucking games!? We're playing "The Emperor's New Clothes" here. At TGS, PS4 got, like, a Grasshopper title (that will almost certainly bomb, because nobody gives a shit) and a F2P game by Capcom. Xbone got nothing. Think about that for a moment.

The consoles aren't out. Every single console launch has a paucity of game announcements. The most we get are Persona (Working title), Metal Gear (working title), Tomb Raider (working title). Plus a list of devs/pubs that have pledged support and the yearly sports roster updates. Let's see how E3 shakes out next year when these consoles are actually on the market. The amount of cross gen game announcements will plummet.

 

[Rich!]

Well there's the good old "pay for shelfspace" tactic.

Sony must do it as my local Asda has one section for Vita but only 2 shelves of a section for the 3DS...and that certainly isn't down to sales.

Actually the space where Nintendo used to be in my Tesco is now for Xbox/PSN/blinkbox cards and the rest of the space is Skylanders right now.

Also I always find it funny that ASDA dropped Wii U in such a public way for being a poor seller, yet every ASDA store still has a Vita chart, something the other supermarkets haven't bothered with for months...

Not really surprised, Wii U just hasn't got the general appeal that Xbone and PS4 will have out the gate. I think things will pick up a bit with Wii Fit...maybe, but Wii U is never going to hit the dizzy heights Wii managed, and I think deep down, Nintendo have long since realized this. Pointless chasing the bones Microsoft and Sony want, they have to chart their own course again.

As I've said before, Sony offer their stock as SOR (sale or return). They give the stock to the retailer with a period to sell it. If any is unsold by that time, it's returned back to Sony. There's no risk for the retailer, unlike with firm sale stock like what Nintendo offer.

 

[Oppo]

I sure as hell don't. Thing is: Games like GTA won't push 50 million consoles, either. They sell to people who already have the platforms. What's going to push platforms? I have no idea. Not even Mario Bros, one of the very best selling franchises in gaming, managed to sell five million systems.

I'm pretty sure Wii Sports moved several million Wiis all by itself.

Pretty sure GTA3 on PS2 did the same.

 

[Kerub]

Man wtf I can't even drunk post without getting quoted here and there. Nintendo fans, geez

 

[AOC83]

Really? Where are those games? I simply don't see the support.

Call of Duty
FIFA
Madden
Assassins Creed
Watch Dogs
Need for Speed
The Evil Within
Metal Gear Solid
Diablo 3
Dragon Age 3
The Witcher 3
Final Fantasy XV
Kingdom Hearts 3
Mirror´s Edge 2
Battlefield 4
Deep Down
Destiny
Dying Light
Elder Scrolls Online
Mad Max
Thief
Wolfenstein

+ countles smaller games like Rime and Resogun and exclusives like The Order 1866, Killzone, Knack,Infamous, Drive Club.

Yeah, certainly a severe lack of games for a platform that isn´t even released yet.

 

[Aquamarine]

As I've said before, Sony offer their stock as SOR (sale or return). They give the stock to the retailer with a period to sell it. If any is unsold by that time, it's returned back to Sony. There's no risk for the retailer, unlike with firm sale stock like what Nintendo offer.

Is this exclusive to the UK? Or localized to Europe? Or a worldwide strategy perhaps?

What's the logic behind Nintendo of Europe taking a firm sale strategy in a situation where their consoles are in dire need of shelf space?

 

[H_Prestige]

Salt lake city in here

 

[Boogybro]

Man wtf I can't even drunk post without getting quoted here and there. Nintendo fans, geez

Why lie for? We all know you're 100% sober.

 

[Rich!]

Is this exclusive to the UK? Or localized to Europe? Or a worldwide strategy perhaps?

What's the logic behind Nintendo of Europe taking a firm sale strategy in a situation where their consoles are in dire need of shelf space?

Just going by my experience in retail here in the UK.

And I don't think anyone knows what the fuck Nintendo are doing. Things might be slightly different now though, I'm not in games retail anymore.

 

[wsippel]

The consoles aren't out. Every single console launch has a paucity of game announcements. The most we get are Persona (Working title), Metal Gear (working title), Tomb Raider (working title). Plus a list of devs/pubs that have pledged support and the yearly sports roster updates. Let's see how E3 shakes out next year when these consoles are actually on the market. The amount of cross gen game announcements will plummet.

We got all that lip service and "working title" shit for Wii U as well. And for 3DS. Remember Saint's Row 3DS? That was funny. The whole audience laughed. Except it never happened. I mean, the announcement happened - but the game never materialized. We even got the EA's "unprecedented partnership" bullshit on Nintendo's stage, and we all know how that went. It's all lip service, and lip service means nothing in this industry.

 

[JennyTablina]

Any word on what Nintendo have or are currently doing to help promote the Wii U? I haven't seen a single Wii U ad anywhere. They need to be more agressive!

Ads have run for pretty much all major Wii U releases this year, Pikmin, W101 and Monster Hunter 3 have all had adverts in the past 3 months. Nintendo have also been making sure their presence is known at lots of conventions and UK events. Heck they even came to a really small con in Cambridge a few weeks ago with pods of virtually every major Wii U game and allowed a Smash tourney to run.

Not to mention the almost monthly Nintendo Directs which usually mention some sort of development for Wii U.

It's almost pointless Nintendo making a strong "hardcore" push right now. They know and we know, there's no way Wii U will be visible to punters all excited about the other 2 consoles, they may as well focus on their casual offerings this Christmas (while occasionally pointing to titles like Sonic Lost World and Mario and saying LOOK WE HAVE GAMES TOO!!) - and come back sometime next year to the hardcore, when the novelty of new console hype has worn off.

I've actually seen quite a few people be swayed by Nintendo's Holiday line up to get a Wii U, so I don't think it'll be all doom and gloom for Nintendo on the home console side this season. It won't be a huge spike, but I reckon we'll see slightly better sales and reception to Wii U in the next year or so

As I've said before, Sony offer their stock as SOR (sale or return). They give the stock to the retailer with a period to sell it. If any is unsold by that time, it's returned back to Sony. There's no risk for the retailer, unlike with firm sale stock like what Nintendo offer.

Ahh okay that makes sense, I didn't realize they still did the whole sale or return thing, thought they had reverted to the old model again after the whole GAME mess had cleared up (I do own a Vita too, I am officially member of the underdog consoles klub)

 

[Prince Vultan]

This is because Nintendo games appeal to a more intelligent group of people. The Wii U is supposed to be sold to the type of people who can imagine playing Wind Waker again to uncover all of its secrets instead of shooting another couple of 100's of "terrorists" in Cawadooti. Basically Nintendo games now-a-days are made for the more intelligent and mature audience, hence the slightly lower sale number compared to the Wii.

This is a joke post of course, but I wish it could be taken as a serious post. Sadly most Nintendo games these days feel like they were developed for people with a lack of common sense and a learning disability.

Please enjoy our endless tutorials where we explain everything countless times.

"Wow you got a hammer. You can probably smash things with this hammer. Here let me show you how to use the hammer. Did you get all that? Do you want me to show you how to use the hammer? Good job you used the hammer. Don't forget! You can use the hammer to break objects!"