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[ISOM]

No country has more equipment than the US. As matter of the fact the EU has much less than Russia. I was talking active military personnel so available immediatly but sure combining active and reserve units the US has the biggest army.

Back on topic. Why not give all the states or provinces within the Ukraine the right to pick if they want to be Pro-Western or Pro-Russian and devide the country accordingly? Iknow the Crimea gets a referendum but how about the whole country?

That is ridiculous.

 

[joseph1594]

It's sort of surreal hearing these kind of words coming from the Polish Prime Minister in 2014.



http://live.faz.net/Event/Krise_in_der_Ukraine/107876267

This quote also caught my eye:

"History shows - although I don't want to use too many historical comparisons - that those who appease all the time in order to preserve peace usually only buy a little bit of time."

While the chances of World War III breaking out are slim to none, I cannot help but think the situation is pretty damn eerie, especially regarding the arguable parallels between Crimea and the Sudentland/the Polish corridor.

 

[Konka]

Polish military forces moving towards the border with Ukraine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z4uubVAZXwU

I guess, that, as it has been since 1945 the threat of nuclear war will be enough to prevent a direct confrontation between NATO countries and Russia.

Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, has warned the “world stands on the brink of conflict” over Ukraine, and that “Europe must send a clear signal it will not tolerate any acts of aggression of intervention.”
The warning came in a speech made by Mr Tusk at a specially-convened press conference and expressed Poland’s growing alarm at the situation in its neighbour.
“The world stands on the brink of conflict, the consequences of which are not foreseen,” said the prime minister.
“Not everyone in Europe is aware of this situation.

 

[jerry1594]

Is that true facts from Mr. Tusk or is Poland just especially afraid of Russia reforming the Warsaw Pact?
Also ot question in regards to Russia-east Asia. What exactly would china from Russia territorially? And Japan only wants that narrow island that's part of the archipelago?

 

[Tugatrix]

Polish military forces moving towards the border with Ukraine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z4uubVAZXwU

I guess, that, as it has been since 1945 the threat of nuclear war will be enough to prevent a direct confrontation between NATO countries and Russia.

Oh boy that might not be the brightest of ideas given that the poles are actually members of NATO

 

[Osiris]

A threat to a sovereign Ukraine is a threat to a secure Poland, the fact that they would have to react could be seen a mile off.

 

[Konka]

Oh boy that might not be the brightest of ideas given that the poles are actually members of NATO

How can you expect Poland to not move to secure it's border while its neighbor is being invaded by the country that partitioned Poland?

 

[Ether_Snake]

Oh boy that might not be the brightest of ideas given that the poles are actually members of NATO

How is moving troops on your own border not a bright idea? They aren't invading Ukraine.

 

[Kinyou]

Back on topic. Why not give all the states or provinces within the Ukraine the right to pick if they want to be Pro-Western or Pro-Russian and devide the country accordingly? Iknow the Crimea gets a referendum but how about the whole country?

And what if 5 years later some pro-Russian provinces suddenly feel more pro-Western (or vice versa) Will they just jump around between both countries?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Oh boy that might not be the brightest of ideas given that the poles are actually members of NATO

They aren't heading to Ukraine, they're heading to their own border. Unless they're insane of course.

 

[Nikodemos]

Steinmeier (Germany) said on german television, Russia must remain a member of the G8

Well, this is completely unexp...

Bwahahah, can't type that with a serious face.

 

[H6rdc0re]

That is ridiculous.

Wouldn't be my choice either but the current situation isn't much better with the one part of the country wanting to join us and the other wanting to join the Russians all with bloodshed and corruption.

 

[Tugatrix]

How can you expect Poland to not move to secure it's border while its neighbor is being invaded by the country that partitioned Poland?

I expect some common sense to not escalate the situation, imagine if France was to make a move on Spain I would expect the Portuguese government to be smart enough not to put our troops on the border and escalate the situation.

They can move their troops to the border but that could send the wrong message and increase hostilities, don't forget that the relations between Russian and Poland are not the best

 

[SymbiantXenos]

Why can't we be friends why can't we be friends why can't we be friends...

 

[maniac-kun]

What scares me is the type of war this would be ( IF it goes that far)

Will it just mainly be long range artillery with a lot of air combat ( to ground and air to air)

I feel more rockets and explosives will be used than actual bullets, which is scary because of there destruction.

Russia has a lot of tanks. I dont know how Europe could hold them back.

 

[cebri.one]

Oh boy that might not be the brightest of ideas given that the poles are actually members of NATO

Well, they have the view that this is 1938 all over again. And they don't want to have a neo-Russian empire right next to their borders doing whatever they want while Nato stands still (however i don't think those are putin intentions). And i agree, escalating the situation doesn't help right now.

 

[ekim]

Russia has a lot of tanks. I dont know how Europe could hold them back.

It couldn't.

 

[spwolf]

Russia has a lot of tanks. I dont know how Europe could hold them back.

you play too much world of tanks i guess...

 

[Tugatrix]

Russia has a lot of tanks. I dont know how Europe could hold them back.

T90's aren't really the best of tanks so doesn't matter their number, if the enemy has better tanks and anti-tanks weapons...

 

[Konka]

I expect some common sense to not escalate the situation, imagine if France was to make a move on Spain I would expect the Portuguese government to be smart enough not to put our troops on the border and escalate the situation.

They can move their troops to the border but that could send the wrong message and increase hostilities, don't forget that the relations between Russian and Poland are not the best

How is defending your own border escalating hostilities? Do you know how many times Poland has been invaded? You can't possibility understand the mindset that many have there. There are still people alive there from the last time that Russia came through.

 

[endre]

Steinmeier (Germany) said on german television, Russia must remain a member of the G8

Please give it some context. If I understood the Frankfurter article correctly the Minister of Foreign Affairs says it is pretty much the only occasion to have a direct discussion with Russia, and he is questioning if that opportunity should really be discarded just like that.

 

[RoyalLaFlame]

Polish troops going in? That's what I said earlier today (makes sense).

Let's see how this goes.

 

[antonz]

I expect some common sense to not escalate the situation, imagine if France was to make a move on Spain I would expect the Portuguese government to be smart enough not to put our troops on the border and escalate the situation.

They can move their troops to the border but that could send the wrong message and increase hostilities, don't forget that the relations between Russian and Poland are not the best

Poland has a very vivid memory of the kind of douchebags Russia can be to its occupied territories. They have no intention of letting Russia get on their border. If anything Poland and a few others might be the countries with a backbone to reinforce Western Ukraine because they wont be letting Russia expand its border.

 

[ISOM]

Please give it some context. If I understood the Frankfurter article correctly the Minister of Foreign Affairs says it is pretty much the only occasion to have a direct discussion with Russia, and he is questioning if that opportunity should really be discarded just like that.

What's the point of discussion with russia if they don't listen?

 

[Nivash]

I still can't get my head around the fact that it's barely been a week since the revolution ended in the first place. It's all gone so fast. First everyone was concerned about the violence against Maidan, then we were scared about the possibility of a civil war in Ukraine, then we were happy that Yanukovich was gone and things were quieting down, then we were concerned about what Russia were up to in Crimea and now we're all scared again, this time for the possibility of a major war between Russia and Ukraine.

It's crazy. And I'm not even Ukrainian!

 

[Guileless]

Why is it reasonable? Does Russia really think the US and Europe will invade it or attack it? All of this is done because they know very well what Russia is planning and has been doing. Just look at who is in power.

Excellent point. Can anyone blame the Baltics and Poland for begging to get into NATO based on their awful histories? Tons of exiles and their descendants live here and vote too. I guess "Democracy Now" would rather the US government tell them to go fuck themselves.

 

[Tugatrix]

How is defending your own border escalating hostilities? Do you know how many times Poland has been invaded? You can't possibility understand the mindset that many have there. There are still people alive there from the last time that Russia came through.

yeah but we are not only speaking of them alone, NATO means that if Poland escalate the situation and imagine get in a fight with Russia that would rally all NATO to defend Poland WW3 begins.

I expect them to be more smart than their fears and stay calm and avoid escalate the situation.

 

[Liha]

Please give it some context. If I understood the Frankfurter article correctly the Minister of Foreign Affairs says it is pretty much the only occasion to have a direct discussion with Russia, and he is questioning if that opportunity should really be discarded just like that.

That`s the reason why he is against Kerry`s sweet dreams. It was just an example that the NATO and EU have different interests and opinions.

Ukraine will never start a war, Jazenjuk is no suicide.

 

[jakonovski]

Russia has a lot of tanks. I dont know how Europe could hold them back.

I blame this kind of ignorance on the dumbing down of video games. Do yourself a favor and download Steel Panthers: MBT (or whatever the current version is).

 

[spwolf]

yeah but we are not only speaking of them alone, NATO means that if Poland escalate the situation and imagine get in a fight with Russia that would rally all NATO to defend Poland WW3 begins.

I expect them to be more smart than their fears and they calm and avoid escalate the situation.

they are all using pages from cold war.. which means a lot of threat and little action... all out war in ukraine would not be suitable for anyone and russia would have long lasting repercussions.

 

[Terra]

This is eerie. If the national community accepts that Russia takes Crimea. It's similar to that Germany pre-WW2 were able to annex Chechoslovakian provinces that spoke German. Wich country is next?

 

[HelloMeow]

I blame this kind of ignorance on the dumbing down of video games. Do yourself a favor and download Steel Panthers: MBT (or whatever the current version is).

What are you saying? That tanks can't be repaired by a blow torch? Tanks don't auto-regenerate unless disabled?

 

[cebri.one]

I still can't get my head around the fact that it's barely been a week since the revolution ended in the first place. It's all gone so fast. First everyone was concerned about the violence against Maidan, then we were scared about the possibility of a civil war in Ukraine, then we were happy that Yanukovich was gone and things were quieting down, then we were concerned about what Russia were up to in Crimea and now we're all scared again, this time for the possibility of a major war between Russia and Ukraine.

It's crazy. And I'm not even Ukrainian!

Actually this is something that had happened in the history of the world over and over and over again. Major changes most of the times happen in a relative short period of times.

 

[endre]

T90's aren't really the best of tanks so doesn't matter their number, if the enemy has better tanks and anti-tanks weapons...

First I wouldn't underestimate the T90s, second quantity can beat quality.

What's the point of discussion with russia if they don't listen?

How do you how would a discussion between the leading nations turn out? Would you just simply throw that option out of the window?

 

[Konka]

yeah but we are not only speaking of them alone, NATO means that if Poland escalate the situation and imagine get in a fight with Russia that would rally all NATO to defend Poland WW3 begins.

I expect them to be more smart than their fears and stay calm and avoid escalate the situation.

I imagine they have foul memories of the Anglo-Polish alliance that was supposed to protect Polish territorial integrity the last time around. When France and England were supposed to protect them from Germany and did not.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I assume the reason the US has so many aircraft carriers because it generally has to travel overseas to pick fights.

Unless you are the British Empire, everybody has to travel a long distance to pick a fight away from their home territory.

 

[DrM]

Polish troops going in? That's what I said earlier today (makes sense).

Let's see how this goes.

Blasted down already as old pics from 90s

 

[jerry1594]

yeah but we are not only speaking of them alone, NATO means that if Poland escalate the situation and imagine get in a fight with Russia that would rally all NATO to defend Poland WW3 begins.

I expect them to be more smart than their fears and stay calm and avoid escalate the situation.

NATO vs Russia. Who exactly would be on Russia's side? Belarus Abkhazia and South Ossetia?

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Russia has a lot of tanks. I dont know how Europe could hold them back.

Europe, not sure.

US would be ready as lot of their equipment was designed around full scale Russian tank invasions.
Its exactly what A-10s and the Apache were created for.

 

[t26]

Is that true facts from Mr. Tusk or is Poland just especially afraid of Russia reforming the Warsaw Pact?
Also ot question in regards to Russia-east Asia. What exactly would china from Russia territorially? And Japan only wants that narrow island that's part of the archipelago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Manchuria

But thats about as much claim to East Prussia by Germany.

 

[Kinyou]

Russia has a lot of tanks. I dont know how Europe could hold them back.

It's not like Europe would be in it alone. As soon as one Nato state gets attacked the US would be in it as well

 

[mnz]

Please give it some context. If I understood the Frankfurter article correctly the Minister of Foreign Affairs says it is pretty much the only occasion to have a direct discussion with Russia, and he is questioning if that opportunity should really be discarded just like that.

Especially since Putin speaks perfect German. Would be such a waste.

I imagine they have foul memories of the Anglo-Polish alliance that was supposed to protect Polish territorial integrity the last time around. When France and England were supposed to protect them from Germany and did not.

They declared war on Germany eventhough their military was barely ready. What more could they have done?

 

[jufonuk]

Ukraine/Poland need the wolverines

 

[Tugatrix]

I imagine they have foul memories of the Anglo-Polish alliance that was supposed to protect Polish territorial integrity the last time around. When France and England were supposed to protect them from Germany and did not.

but they did, WW2 began with them

 

[Konka]

but they did, WW2 began with them

Did they? Poland was quickly overrun and its people were tortured and executed. The treaty did nothing to spare them.

They declared war on Germany eventhough their military was barely ready. What more could they have done?

Sure but that didn't really help much. If they can count on that kind of help again then I can't blame them for fortifying.

 

[Jburton]

Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, has warned the “world stands on the brink of conflict” over Ukraine, and that “Europe must send a clear signal it will not tolerate any acts of aggression of intervention.”
The warning came in a speech made by Mr Tusk at a specially-convened press conference and expressed Poland’s growing alarm at the situation in its neighbour.
“The world stands on the brink of conflict, the consequences of which are not foreseen,” said the prime minister.
“Not everyone in Europe is aware of this situation.

Talk about overblowing the situation!


Polish are oversensitive.



The Americans invaded two countries in the past decade and have committed armed acts against at least three others, no brink of world conflict.

 

[Psychotext]

Possibly already posted, an analysis of the weapons carried by the "unidentified Crimean troops" (basically further proof that they're Russian):

http://imgur.com/a/3DzA0/#0

 

[H6rdc0re]

And what if 5 years later some pro-Russian provinces suddenly feel more pro-Western (or vice versa) Will they just jump around between both countries?

What if 6 months from now we get a similar situation from the other end of the spectrum?

Like I said it wouldn't be my choice either but with a country this devided with two conflicting ideologies I think desperate times require desperate measures.

 

[Ether_Snake]

First I wouldn't underestimate the T90s, second quantity can beat quality.

Yeah, a quantity of mechanical problems.

 

[Tugatrix]

Did they? Poland was quickly overrun and its people were tortured and executed. The treaty did nothing to spare them.

Don't forget that France was invaded too because of Poland and the British endured Air Raids because of Poland.