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Ukrainian Conflict - Donetsk Boogaloo

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Trying to see how this converts to how many barrels per day these countries usually go through. Did it for Finland and Germany, found that if you follow that graph, Germany consumes at least 35% of Russian oil per day, whereas for Finland, it's in between 65-80% daily. Netherlands usually consumes about 1 million barrels per day, and gets around 550,000 barrels from Russia, so it's almost half. It's really crazy how dependent on Russian energy, western Europe ultimately became. For Poland, it's very high, almost 90% of its oil is from Russia.

Yeah, in wanting to become less reliant on the volatile middle east, they shifted their import to Russia. I thought it was a bad idea even then.
Not sure all of that is for consumption though. Germany is one of the major refinery countries in the world and the Netherlands of course has Shell, which is... pretty big.
 
For anyone watching CNN, that live shot in the Bosphorous Strait, that second warship is actually a Turkish warship tailing behind the Ukraine flagship.

Edit: nvm, they just caught up and you could see the Turkish flag flying. It's crazy how important this little strait has been for much of western civilization. Close to the Greeks, Romans, Constantinople (now Istanbul) etc.
 
What would it take for his own party/regime to oust him?

Massive travel bans and (internal) asset seizures for those in power, most likely. Either that, or massive economical issues, or maybe some unpredictable events within the political machine itself. But then again, he may withstand either of those things, and even if Putin himself has to go, there is a very strong possibility that he just gets replaced with another figurehead and the things continue to be pretty much as they. Putin is not the main issue here, the Soviet heritage in all aspects of life is; and that's not about to go anywhere without either massive political will and certain political measures or slow reconstruction of society as a whole (that is actually happening in Russia). That said, there is very little hope of things turning for the better in the next few decades, if not more. The regime is too stable and the society is changing, but not fast enough.
 
What are they even "warning" anyone about? Aren't warning shots usually to say "We're armed, consider yourself warned"? These guys are soldiers, that they have guns isn't a big surprise. It's not warning shots, it's flat out intimidation.
 
Apparently warning shots have been fired by Russian Troops, per CNN

Did they say where, or why? edit: from the independant -video at link[below]
Earlier this morning, warning shots were fired into the air by Russian soldiers attempting to ward off Ukrainian servicemen marching on an airbase base in Crimea.

The warning shots came after the 3am deadline Russia allegedly gave Ukrainian forces as the time they must leave Crimea by or face a military attack expired without incident.

Mr Putin said he had ordered his troops on military exercises near the border between western Russia and Ukraine to return to bases after completing all of their tasks.

CNN had this today too:
Russia does not want to take over Ukraine's Crimea region, President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday, but he showed no signs of backing down on Russia's presence in the region despite Western pressure.

Putin labeled what had happened in Ukraine an "anti-constitutional coup and armed seizure of power," and he insisted that ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych is the legitimate leader of the nation.
[...]
Putin said that there was no need for the use of the military so far, with not a shot fired, and that any use of military force would be the last resort.

But if Russian-speaking citizens in the east of Ukraine ask for Russia's help, Russia has the right "to take all measures to protect the rights of those people," he said. He repeatedly cast any such intervention as a humanitarian mission.

Military action, he said, would be "completely legitimate" because it was at the request of Yanukovych and in line with Russia's duty to protect people with historic ties to Russia, both cultural and economic.
[...]
source
 
Yeah there is nothing really happening now as all sides are just trying to wind this down. Reports from twitter say that russian troops are not as present as they were and have left the local parliament etc. Most likely they have been told to go back to base and do it quietly so that Putin doesn't look like he is changing his mind.
Ordering the troops along the border back to their bases was a signal that he wants to cool things down.
 
2018 actually.

The problem with the article of the constitution that states presidential terms is poor wording. Thus Putin's third term is not 100% legal. If we had independent Constitutional Court, it would have cleared the issue.

Uh, what? Just because he's taking advantage of a loophole, doesn't mean it's illegal.

Shady? Sure. Illegal? Not in the slightest.

It says no President can serve two consecutive terms, not two terms period, like our Amendments say.
 
Yeah there is nothing really happening now as all sides are just trying to wind this down. Reports from twitter say that russian troops are not as present as they were and have left the local parliament etc. Most likely they have been told to go back to base and do it quietly so that Putin doesn't look like he is changing his mind.
Ordering the troops along the border back to their bases was a signal that he wants to cool things down.
I hope his next plan does not involve artillery shells landing on people and Putin going "shit is just falling from the heavens, it aint me".
 
2018 actually.

The problem with the article of the constitution that states presidential terms is poor wording. Thus Putin's third term is not 100% legal. If we had independent Constitutional Court, it would have cleared the issue.

I think it`s a loophole, Putin is the second elected president in the long history of russia. No one could imagine that someone stays in power for so long.
 
But then renewable energy isn't viable at all.. not with current technology anyway.

Given the accelerating advancement of renewable tech, including critical battery storage solutions, I'd say that renewable energy tech (amortized) will provide equivalent cost per megawatt output within a decade relative to fossil fuels... with much lower cost per kilowatt hour generated (given that they're renewables and all the costs are upfront).

And if we could properly economically account for the negative externalities of modern fossils, renewables would already be ahead on a total amortized cost per kilowatt hour basis.

But of course, the entrenched energy powers will fight tooth and nail to ensure that they stay entrenched, at the massive externality cost to everybody else.
 
Yeah there is nothing really happening now as all sides are just trying to wind this down. Reports from twitter say that russian troops are not as present as they were and have left the local parliament etc. Most likely they have been told to go back to base and do it quietly so that Putin doesn't look like he is changing his mind.
Ordering the troops along the border back to their bases was a signal that he wants to cool things down.

Not necessarily. They've completely secured Crimea and now realize that Ukraine won't do anything, so they can fall back and dial down their operations. If there is no impending Ukrainian military action, they don't need to be on high alert and patrolling the streets. I don't see Russia pulling out until after the referendum on March 30th, but I think the Ukrainians have lost the Crimea for good.
 
Uh, what? Just because he's taking advantage of a loophole, doesn't mean it's illegal.

Shady? Sure. Illegal? Not in the slightest.

It says no President can serve two consecutive terms, not two terms period, like our Amendments say.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Constitutional Court's ruling would be against the third term for sure. Still, it would be better for everyone, if we could rely on our courts judgment.

Regardless of the legalese, Putin's third term was and is a grave mistake.
 
Given the accelerating advancement of renewable tech, including critical battery storage solutions, I'd say that renewable energy tech (amortized) will provide equivalent cost per megawatt output within a decade relative to fossil fuels... with much lower cost per kilowatt hour generated (given that they're renewables and all the costs are upfront).

And if we could properly economically account for the negative externalities of modern fossils, renewables would already be ahead on a total amortized cost per kilowatt hour basis.

But of course, the entrenched energy powers will fight tooth and nail to ensure that they stay entrenched, at the massive externality cost to everybody else.

Seconded. Solar power alone is on the path to be competitive to fossil fuels as early as sometime this decade in some countries.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that Constitutional Court's ruling would be against the third term for sure. Still, it would be better for everyone, if we could rely on our courts judgment.

Regardless of the legalese, Putin's third term was and is a grave mistake.


Grave for whom?
 
Not sure all of that is for consumption though. Germany is one of the major refinery countries in the world and the Netherlands of course has Shell, which is... pretty big.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the oil/gas heading for the Netherlands is used as a raw product in refineries. Shell will be very upset at Russia if the flow is disrupted, but it doesn't hit the Netherlands directly.

We have our own gas reserves which are used to heat houses and fuel most of our energy plants. We export the rest.

But of course, if every other country in Eurozone is squeezed, we'll all go down together anyhow. Dutch reserves are about 3% of Gazprom's.
 
For the country and the president. It would be preferable to everyone, if Medvedev stayed on.

Medvedev and Putin are nearly the same person. Medvedev has a prettier face but their political opinion is the same.

edit: Andris Berzins (prime minister of Latvia) is against economic sanctions.
 
Medvedev and Putin are nearly the same person. Medvedev has a prettier face but their political opinion is the same.
I disagree. I think Medvedev isn't a person at all. In all of their politics, Medvedev is more like Putin's personal assistant. He does not have an opinion of his own. If he does, he is too scared to voice it, lest he become a target for Vlad.
 
Medvedev and Putin are nearly the same person. Medvedev has a prettier face but their political opinion is the same.

I didn't say it is ideal. :) Medvedev's Russia was a slightly better place. September 24th 2011 was an error of judgment on Putin's part and the political crisis of Dec 2011-Aug 2012 is the proof of that.
 
What's incredible about it beyond putting the boot into Chomsky and an attempt to reduce the debate into 'you're either with us or against us', and the use of the word 'principle' when in fact he seems to be expressing a belief in adherence to an ideology ? The whole thing reeks of demonization somewhat akin to the accusations of being 'unamerican' simply for having the temerity to question the decision making of the president. That sort of black and white thinking might sit well in an article, but it serves little purpose in the real world where it's more important to evaluate matters on the ground in a rational manner.

I haven't read the Chomsky piece but it seems like the author offers a succinct explanation for Chomsky's POV (He's a Westerner, can only affect Western policy, so is only concerned with Western politics). The author then spends the rest of the article arguing from his own somewhat Utopia POV. Chomsky isn't perfect and harping on that imperfection seems to be a bit of an intellectual oddity, especially considering that the author is concerned with the consequences of Russia's imperialism. Here the author condemns Chomsky's double standard on imperialism while seemingly trumpeting the US' own imperialism with the excuse that it's okay for the US to create puppet states because the US is doing so in it's own interests as "World Police".

Most damning, however, is the shaming of a Left institute for not being ideologically pure enough for him. So what? Because the Congo Crisis has been more devastating than the Syrian Crisis the Syrian's protesting/fighting against their own government should hang it up and instead protest the Congo? Russian's protesting the bloodless Crimean Crisis should stop and instead focus their energy on, say, Israel/Palestine aggression? That's an oddly authoritarian, specific, and disciplined method of operation from someone attempting to make the opposite arguement.

Though this is an important quote:

Today, the fact that Western-backed Saudi Arabia is a better place to live than, say, communist, North Korea is an irrelevance both to Saudis and North Koreans.

Which is absolutely true.

Some other "issues". The author cites "universal values" but should understand that humanism is not exactly compatible with Marxism. The author reinforces the concept that history is made on the relative micro level by the people that experience it (the above quote, the end of the article), so to assume that values are universal is a direct contradiction of the two ideas.

When comparing the West to Stalin/Mao is the best the author can come up with is the US' modern prison/police society? That's a terrible white wash of why people like Stalin and Mao were brought into popular power. Western powers are despised by many because of horrible incidents like the Belgian holocaust in Africa, which has the highest, most deliberate, death toll of any massacre. Or the Japanese occupation of China and Indochina. Forced starvation of India. US supported Jewish pogroms in Western Russia. Or the etc etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseum. Point being, The West and Capitalism aren't restricted to The US and UK, but include everyone involved.

Also, Isolationism is not Right Wing and it's hilarious to see the author insinuate otherwise because chauvinism certainly is and there's nothing more chauvinistic than playing World Police.

Polemics aside, I ultimately agree with the, I suppose, overall sentiment of the article. I thought long and hard last night about the situation and while I ideologically oppose fascist and fascist leaning bourgeoisie governments, an important Marxist theory and Maoist quote applies here more importantly than ever:

Support a state's National Bourgeoisie over Imperialist powers and "It is right to rebel". If the Ukrainians do not in turn route the fascist elements of their government, which is a possibility, then should a foreign entity really involve itself in Ukraine's affairs.
 
NATO Statement regarding Poland's request to see if anything under Article 4 could be done:

Despite repeated calls by the international community, Russia continues to violate Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to violate its international commitments.

These developments present serious implications for the security and stability of the Euro‑Atlantic area.

Allies stand together in the spirit of strong solidarity in this grave crisis.

We undertake to pursue and intensify our rigorous and on-going assessment of the implications of this crisis for Alliance security, in close coordination and consultation.

We continue to support all constructive efforts for a peaceful solution to the current crisis in accordance with international law. We welcome the ongoing efforts undertaken by the United Nations, the European Union, the OSCE and the Council of Europe.

We will continue to consult with Ukraine within the NATO-Ukraine Commission.

We will engage with Russia in the NATO-Russia Council. We will hold a meeting tomorrow.
 
They shouldn't even be in the mix.

Neo-Nazi/Fascism has had something of a virulent resurgence in Europe lately, probably down to the economic conditions and what have you. I'm sure no one here is advocating increased political legitimacy of Nazism in politics, but there are kind of bigger fish to fry at the moment, I'd think, then what will probably be a largely temporary blip between now adn the new elections.
 
Statement by the North Atlantic Council following meeting under article 4 of the Washington Treaty

The North Atlantic Council has met at Poland’s request to hold consultations within the framework of Article 4 of the Washington Treaty, which states that “the parties will consult whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence, or security of any of the parties is threatened.”

Despite repeated calls by the international community, Russia continues to violate Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to violate its international commitments.
These developments present serious implications for the security and stability of the Euro‑Atlantic area.
Allies stand together in the spirit of strong solidarity in this grave crisis.
We undertake to pursue and intensify our rigorous and on-going assessment of the implications of this crisis for Alliance security, in close coordination and consultation.
We continue to support all constructive efforts for a peaceful solution to the current crisis in accordance with international law. We welcome the ongoing efforts undertaken by the United Nations, the European Union, the OSCE and the Council of Europe.
We will continue to consult with Ukraine within the NATO-Ukraine Commission.
We will engage with Russia in the NATO-Russia Council. We will hold a meeting tomorrow.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_107716.htm


So a wait and see approach.
 
Her father is believed to have been close to East German communist government, and she is believed to have had a senior role in the FDJ.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...loser-to-communism-than-thought-a-899768.html
You realise her party is on the opposite side of the political spectrum as the socialists, right?
And she had a local FDJ position, like everybody that age, at her institute. The FDJ had a couple million members, every young person was in it.

I can't believe I have to defend Merkel, but calling her sympathetic to the East German regime is pretty crazy.
 
You realise her party is on the opposite side of the political spectrum as the socialists, right?
And she had a local FDJ position, like everybody that age, at her institute. The FDJ had a couple million members, every young person was in it.

I can't believe I have to defend Merkel, but calling her sympathetic to the East German regime is pretty crazy.

But that's not what people who frequented her have been saying, her post was senior. Doesn't matter what party she joined when the wall fell either, doesn't mean anything really. It actually makes sense she would join a party that isn't pro-socialist during that time.
 
Did this ever get posted? Some days old, but saw it in a Swedish newspaper today.
Some actual analysis, and claims about western reporting early on, by someone who could "arguably" (as in maybe not if you're Putin) be called an expert.

Ukraine: The Haze of Propaganda
Interestingly, the message from authoritarian regimes in Moscow and Kiev was not so different from some of what was written during the uprising in the English-speaking world, especially in publications of the far left and the far right. From Lyndon LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review through Ron Paul’s newsletter through The Nation and The Guardian, the story was essentially the same: little of the factual history of the protests, but instead a play on the idea of a nationalist, fascist, or even Nazi coup d’état.

Other than that it provides a lot of facts about how and why the revolution actually started and what happened, and regardless if you consider yourself up-to-date with the facts or not it should be a very interesting read.
 
But that's not what people who frequented her have been saying, her post was senior. Doesn't matter what party she joined when the wall fell either, doesn't mean anything really. It actually makes sense she would join a party that isn't pro-socialist during that time.
So you think she's a closet communist russian sympathiser for a conservative liberal party? And she is so good at hiding that, that this party elects her all the time (since 2000) as their leader? What the hell...
 
But that's not what people who frequented her have been saying, her post was senior. Doesn't matter what party she joined when the wall fell either, doesn't mean anything really. It actually makes sense she would join a party that isn't pro-socialist during that time.


conspiracy? What is Gerhard Schröder? A Marxist?

edit: lol more conspiracy
 
So you think she's a closet communist russian sympathiser for a conservative liberal party? And she is so good at hiding that, that this party elects her all the time? What the hell...

No, she was a communist supporter who quickly changed sides when the situation demanded it, and still ultimately holds the same views but knows what she has to do to stay in power.
 
Well, you know what they say: if it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it must be a communist.
 
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