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Uncharted 2 tech interview, NINE days away from submission
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MrTroubleMaker
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cool
_leech_ said:
Seriously, or send the interns at Valve to ND.
Rez said:
It's more that Valve is "looking into the PS3" after being up/down about it. If they really are looking into it, why not go to ND and check the tech they used out and see if they can use some of that for Source porting themselves instead of relying on EA to do a sup-par port?
Kittonwy said:
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Rubin was god. Crash 1 was okay, 2 was great and 3 was passable. CTRacing was a good attempt for Sony's console to have a "Mario Kart."
Jak 1 was alright, but 2 and 3 were kinda meh. I skipped Jax X Racing or whatever the racing game was.
ND still has it, basically. And any company (well, former employee of that company) that can link Game Industry idiocy to Tara Reid knows something.
Also I believe the 25 gigs when I see it. Sometimes developers blow file sizes for their games on a DVD/Blu-ray out of proportion.
He was criticizing the PS3 architecture, not the business model for PS3 game production. Though Valve have done that too. It's their company, if they don't see the point, that's their call, hard to complain about that. Blizzard could be making millions more putting WoW on consoles, they are choosing not to do so, and people can complain all they want, it makes no difference.epmode said:
But Gabe's comments about the PS3 itself, as a device, seem out of line with what we're seeing I think is the point. KZ2 makes the Orange Box look like a piece of dog shit technically, of course as a game it's a laughable comparison. But clearly the PS3 is more than capable to host anything they've built so far.
Thunderbear
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TheSeks said:
What a strange post. Why would they lie? Especially when they are so open about their tech with other developers.
Get used to the fact that as games get more and more advanced (graphically, sound wise, etc.) and with the HD era, you are going to need space.
Compressing the hell out of things isn't always a very good thing.
The Faceless Master
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i can't wait!
UNCHARTED 2!!!
UNCHARTED 2!!!
Rapping Granny
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squicken said:
hey man, don't make fun of Valve, they are too perfect to get made fun of.
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teekun said:
All of the cutscenes in the first Uncharted looked prerecorded to me. The encode wasn't the best either as there was artifacting at times. I hate when companies use FMV instead of just rendering real-time. I really hope Uncharted 2 does all cutscenes in real-time.
TheSeks said:
Gears of War on the PC was 10-12 gigs. That game is how old? Uncharted 2 has uncompressed audio, higher res textures, a multiplayer portion, and a boatload of extras including behind the scenes videos that are encoded in HD. The numbers ND gave is actually believable
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teekun said:
Well I'll cross my fingers than and hope for a decent encode. That sucks though.
From what I remember, Gabe didn't say the ps3 was inferior, he said it was a waste of time, which it is when you're doing multiplatform. Not because it won't turn you profit, but because it literally sucks up your time with tech. You can use he same architecture of code for pc and 360 while you have to jump through hoops to get the ps3 running on par. If you're just working on Ps3 though, of course you can take full advantage of it. However doing multiplatform requires more time and having to dedicate time to figuring out how to move parts of your system over to the spus just so it can run on par IS a waste of time.
Either way, U2 is looking great, can't wait to play it!
Either way, U2 is looking great, can't wait to play it!
edible_candle
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They make their cinemas FMVs so they can load the next gameplay area faster.grif1020 said:
CircleOfFire
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TheSeks said:
Whoa there!
BruceWayneIII
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grif1020 said:
The primary reason for capturing the real-time footage in a movie format, was to allow Naughty Dog to background-load the next level, so when the cutscene ended, you got straight to the action. If the cutscene is rendered real-time, you'll have to load memory with the next level after the cutscene ends = waste of time.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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UT66 said:
98 posts... Damn, you were sooo close.
Vaandaviii
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vocab said:
Gears of War on the PC has all the assets repeated for each quality setting
Maastricht
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Actually, there's an interview out there (I'll find it) where ND explains that they were well over the capacity of a single bluray layer with this game, but the turn-around of burning test copies for their testers was too long. Combination I assume of having more single layer burners around and single layer burning being faster.
So instead, they decided to work hard to keep the game within the confines of a single layer. That's also why its exactly the size of a single layer bluray disc - they've already been compressing stuff to make it fit.
I don't think ND designed their HD-caching streaming engine (the first version of which they coded for Uncharted 1 a day or so, iirc - there's a GDC presentation called the Tech of Uncharted I think which details this) so that they would then also need to have their data repeated all over the disc. A combination of the HD caching and Uncharted being a mostly linear game so you can access most data nearly sequentially, there should be no need for that whatsoever.
There were some load-times in Uncharted, although they were hidden by movies - but if you tried to skip the movies fast enough, then you'd still see a bit of a load-screen. It will be interesting to see if they managed to get rid of loading altogether this time (reminds me of Jak & Daxter, which was a no-loading time game on the PS2, which by the way didn't have a harddrive available for caching ).
Really look forward to this game, and to see that depth-of-field in action ... and I also got a nice proper surround system this year that sounds like it'll be getting a good exercise.
So instead, they decided to work hard to keep the game within the confines of a single layer. That's also why its exactly the size of a single layer bluray disc - they've already been compressing stuff to make it fit.
I don't think ND designed their HD-caching streaming engine (the first version of which they coded for Uncharted 1 a day or so, iirc - there's a GDC presentation called the Tech of Uncharted I think which details this) so that they would then also need to have their data repeated all over the disc. A combination of the HD caching and Uncharted being a mostly linear game so you can access most data nearly sequentially, there should be no need for that whatsoever.
There were some load-times in Uncharted, although they were hidden by movies - but if you tried to skip the movies fast enough, then you'd still see a bit of a load-screen. It will be interesting to see if they managed to get rid of loading altogether this time (reminds me of Jak & Daxter, which was a no-loading time game on the PS2, which by the way didn't have a harddrive available for caching
). Really look forward to this game, and to see that depth-of-field in action ... and I also got a nice proper surround system this year that sounds like it'll be getting a good exercise.
Tarin02543
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ps3 is definitely gaining alot of momentum - I can see 2010 to be Sony's best year.
fizzelopeguss
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stuburns said:
He was right, the CELL is crap for gaming, sony spent hundreds of millions on a complicated processor, then millions more training engineers to show third parties how to use the fucking thing.
How can you say it's crap for gaming where the most technically impressive console games are on the PS3? If they weren't, then fine. But for him to say the PS3 is pointless, and for it still to be producing the best results is crazy. He didn't say, it's pointless and the 360 is worse.fizzelopeguss said:
All developers want a single super powerful CPU core, or as close to that as possible. Valve is not alone. It doesn't mean the Cell is a waste of time.
Bearillusion
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BruceWayneIII said:
No. You can skip a cutscene and be taken straight to the next level with no loading.
stuburns said:
I'd suggest that it's because he believes that technically impressive console games are not *automatically* a good thing for gaming? They *can* be good games if they're, well, good games - and Uncharted is extremely likely to be! - but the way you're phrasing it suggests that the technical impressiveness is the be-all and end-all.
XanatharDeath
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Bearillusion said:
True.