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Bad7667 · Oct 24, 2011

Cheska said:
I respect the reviewer's score, and I really don't think Eurogamer is doing this for attention. I just think Simon Parkin has bad taste in games.

My problem with some of the complaints is that people who scored UC2 higher are scoring this lower. Naughty Dog has pushed the system to it's limit, and being that UC2 is close to perfection, they had very little to improve on. I have no doubt that they listened to feedback about the single player campaign and tweeked what needed to be fixed.

In the end, the sites that actually matter have not let us down.

Translates into "the sites that agree with my preconceived opinion of a game I haven't played only matter."

Also the reviews that are 1 point lower than what is acceptable are saying its not as good as uncharted 2. Other reviewers like it more than U2. Why is that so hard for you and others to understand?

There are a lot of crazy people in this thread. 8/10 is a great score.

LeonSKennedy90 · Oct 24, 2011

Darknessbear said:
Whenever I see someone that thinks Uncharted 2 is bland/boring ect. I'm dying to know, what are you comparing it too? Is there a better action/adventure cinematic game out there?

I think you've answered your own question

darkwing · Oct 24, 2011

hmm none of the reviews mention about the 3D, oh well i have my glasses ready

Emitan · Oct 24, 2011

Gravijah said:
billy literally

literally

has the worst taste ever

You're trying to get me a tag, aren't you?

Vire · Oct 24, 2011

darkwing said:
hmm none of the reviews mention about the 3D, oh well i have my glasses ready

I remember hearing back at E3 that it was a very impressive use of the technology. I'm sure it'll look great.

SolidSnakex · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
Do you have a problem with my statement? Most forums wouldn't tolerate some of the responses going on in this thread over the scores.

No one in this thread has done any name calling to any of the reviewers. It's mainly just disagreeing with what some reviews said. If that's not allowed to happen then we might as well just have review threads locked and simply updated with the scores.

Kaako · Oct 24, 2011

SykoTech said:
Nice. Now the people whiny and crying about the fanboys have become more annoying than the fanboys themselves. Guess that's the cue to leave and wait for the |OT|.

Funny thing is Vire said that he was outta this thread a couple of pages back but he just can't stop himself from coming back in. This thread is magnetic. You just can't escape it.

marathonfool · Oct 24, 2011

LeonSKennedy90 said:
That's a different kind of thing, and in fact, I think things like Crushing really go against the main appeal of Uncharted. By making the game frustrating to play, requiring more patience and do-overs, it totally does away with the cinematic immersion. Things that were impressive the first time through when you just attempt it, succeed, and move on to the next cool thing are now repeated half a dozen times, wearing out whatever initial appeal they had. Its not like the game has any more depth at Crushing. There's no upgradable system of weapons, no great combat system that you'll see YouTube montages about, no sandbox of combat situations and solutions like Halo or Vanquish. Its still the same Uncharted, with its quick but lightweight and straightforward shooting, but now much more frustrating cuz the enemies kill you in two hits instead of eight. It directly undermines the strengths the series is built on.

On crushing, the game takes on a meta-level of thinking based on the encounter situation. Upgradable systems do not make a game have depth. The sandbox element is there in the form of maneuvering through cover and finding an advantageous position. It doesn't undermine the strengths of the franchise at all. It complements the game even much more because you can play it like a fun narrative shooter or a tactical shooter based on the difficulty.

LightofRohan · Oct 24, 2011

VIVIblkmgIc said:
Some people just don't want games to be like movies, in any shape or form. So they're prejudicial against them.

Yea, I hear that a lot. But I think there is room for both - and honestly my favorite game experiences are the interactive movie style ones. And I love the big mix of things we get in the industry, instead of EVERYTHING being open world or EVERYTHING being linear. Which seems like a lot of people want...

LeonSKennedy90 said:
I think you've answered your own question

What that they just find that type of game boring? Ah, that's too bad.

Dragon · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
Do you have a problem with my statement? Most forums wouldn't tolerate some of the responses going on in this thread over the scores.

Most forums wouldn't allow its users to shit all over its mods either. Hence why NeoGAF is an awesome place.

Gravijah · Oct 24, 2011

Billychu said:
You're trying to get me a tag, aren't you?

no. you don't deserve a tag. no tag.

Pranay · Oct 24, 2011

Any mod online

List of review arranged in order and mostly covered. Please add it to the OP

darkwing · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
I remember hearing back at E3 that it was a very impressive use of the technology. I'm sure it'll look great.

it better be, it costs me $45 a glass

reKon · Oct 24, 2011

I honestly think that if Uncharted 2 came out this year, and it was the first time we saw anything like it, it would nearly identical scores. The knock of points would come from the occasional funky animations since ever since Uncharted 2, I've noticed that animations in games have improved greatly..

Victarion · Oct 24, 2011

I need to read Gamespot's review before I go to bed, where is it? God damn it.

Vire · Oct 24, 2011

SolidSnakex said:
No one in this thread has done any name calling to any of the reviewers. It's mainly just disagreeing with what some reviews said. If that's not allowed to happen then we might as well just have review threads locked and simply updated with the scores.

Really now?

It's not about name calling either, it's about sounding like bitter children.

Riposte · Oct 24, 2011

marathonfool said:
On crushing, the game takes on a meta-level of thinking based on the encounter situation. Upgradable systems do not make a game have depth. The sandbox element is there in the form of maneuvering through cover and finding an advantageous position. It doesn't undermine the strengths of the franchise at all. It complements the game even much more because you can play it like a fun narrative shooter or a tactical shooter based on the difficulty.

Is there a code or something that lets me play UC3 on Crushing from the start?

VIVIblkmgIc · Oct 24, 2011

Riposte said:
There is no prejudice going on here. People simply think that stripping away the degree of control and challenge in favor of spectacular cinematic moments is inferior to the best kind of pleasure videogames can give.

So if you think any game with cinematics is doing this then you're operating on a prejudice. Uncharted 3 may have better core gameplay than many other games, but people will reject it on the grounds of putting a character with a personality up front. That's just a reality of the gaming community.

rdrr gnr · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
Really now?

It's not about name calling either, it's about sounding like bitter children.

Nice edit.

BeeDog · Oct 24, 2011

SykoTech said:
Nice. Now the people whiny and crying about the fanboys have become more annoying than the fanboys themselves. Guess that's the cue to leave and wait for the |OT|.

Seriously. I don't know what it is, but GAF'ers trying to sound all reasonable and shit become even more annoying than the score whiners. Talk about destroying a thread.

Mama Robotnik · Oct 24, 2011

I've found more quotes of madness and added them to the Page 66 Hall of Fame. I think I can safely say I don't think I've ever seen a thread as fanatical as this over a single review score on GAF before. Well, at least during my time on the board.

Riposte · Oct 24, 2011

VIVIblkmgIc said:
So if you think any game with cinematics is doing this then you're operating on a prejudice. Uncharted 3 may have better core gameplay than many other games, but people will reject it on the grounds of putting a character with a personality up front. That's just a reality of the gaming community.

WTF are you talking about?

Mama Robotnik said:
I've found more quotes of madness and added them to the Page 66 Hall of Fame. I think I can safely say I don't think I've ever seen a thread as fanatical as this over a single review score on GAF before. Well, at least during my time on the board.

This is hysterical...

Emitan · Oct 24, 2011

VIVIblkmgIc said:
So if you think any game with cinematics is doing this then you're operating on a prejudice. Uncharted 3 may have better core gameplay than many other games, but people will reject it on the grounds of putting a character with a personality up front. That's just a reality of the gaming community.

People aren't objecting because the main character has personality. I love that about Uncharted. What I hate is the "platforming" sections that are just pressing a direction and hitting X for 2 minutes. It's a glorified cutscene.

deepbrown · Oct 24, 2011

Reviews look really good. Eurogamers review is very personal, as I expect many reviews are.

However, he argues that the game should be something that it isn't. What grates me is that he is a different reviewer from last time - I know it isn't always possible to stick with the same reviewer, but there needs to be some series consistency.

You can't just have one reviewer giving the game a 10/10 (Uncharted 2 by Tom) and then another reviewer giving it 8/10 (Uncharted 3 by Simon). It isn't very helpful for gamers trying to compare games, and it's quite disingenuous to the developers.

jackdoe · Oct 24, 2011

Riposte said:
Is there a code or something that lets me play UC3 on Crushing from the start?

I wish. I would have liked this for Gears 3 as well. Developers are making games too easy on what is supposed to be "hard" difficulty.

LeonSKennedy90 · Oct 24, 2011

VIVIblkmgIc said:
Uncharted 3 may have better core gameplay than many other games, but people will reject it on the grounds of putting a character with a personality up front. .

Well yeah...

wait wat

Emitan · Oct 24, 2011

deepbrown said:
Reviews look really good. Eurogamers review is very personal, as I expect many reviews are.

However, he argues that the game should be something that it isn't. What grates me is that he is a different reviewer from last time - I know it isn't always possible to stick with the same reviewer, but there needs to be some series consistency.

You can't just have one reviewer giving the game a 10/10 (Uncharted 2 by Tom) and then another reviewer giving it 8/10 (Uncharted 3 by Simon). It isn't very helpful for gamers trying to compare games, and it's quite disingenuous to the developers.

What? The point isn't to compare games like that. If it was, there would only be one game reviewer.

WhyMe6 · Oct 24, 2011

Darknessbear said:
Whenever I see someone that thinks Uncharted 2 is bland/boring ect. I'm dying to know, what are you comparing it too? Is there a better action/adventure cinematic game out there? I'm not being an ass, I'm just really curious - because I love this type of linear cinematic experience and want to play more like it. Like Enslaved is the only game I can think of (right now) that relates to the Uncharted style - and that was nowhere close. Is there a game I'm missing! Tomb raider? Maybe MGS? But that's a stretch.

I'm not really comparing it to any game? As in, when I sat down and played through it, I personally felt bored.

If that makes you ask "Why did you keep on playing it?", my response would be, "It's Uncharted! It has to get better than this!" (it didn't <_<).

-tetsuo- · Oct 24, 2011

The Uncharted receiving 8's from these sites is a good thing. We know which ones to ask the mods to ban now.

LightofRohan · Oct 24, 2011

Mama Robotnik said:
I've found more quotes of madness and added them to the Page 66 Hall of Fame. I think I can safely say I don't think I've ever seen a thread as fanatical as this over a single review score on GAF before. Well, at least during my time on the board.

What, this is BS. I didn't make it on the quote of madness post? I think you are skewed by all the other "better" crazy posters. I'll get on there... I will...

The reason why some reviewers are reviewing Uncharted 3 so ridiculously low, is due to Drake being a white man.

WhyMe6 said:
I'm not really comparing it to any game? As in, when I sat down and played through it, I personally felt bored.

If that makes you ask "Why did you keep on playing it?", my response would be, "It's Uncharted! It has to get better than this!" (it didn't <_<).

Yea, I meant though - do you enjoy this kind of genre? If you do, what do you consider is a more enjoyable one. Just coming from the stance, that I want more games like it. But if it's just from the, "the linear adventure game is boring" then I'd totally respect that.

Dr. Malik · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
Really now?

It's not about name calling either, it's about sounding like bitter children.

Might as well ban everyone in the OT

nelsonroyale · Oct 24, 2011

Riposte said:
It basically seems he wants the game to be have substance. In other words to have mechanical depth over flashiness. Yeah, those things made Uncharted 2(and 3 probably) worth playing, but they are shallow aspects.

Then again, he really liked MW2. Hopefully for not the similarly "heavily scripted", style over substance campaign. MW2 was paced and scripted more or less the same as UC2, but way less impressive in most aspects.

Not while Vanquish exists(from last year). This is why I hate how overrated cinematic games are. Critics use it to spit on the best examples of game design.

How, exactly, do you objectively quantify "substance"?

You don't. I feel that the uncharted games have substance, they have a consistancy which I find alot of other games lack. The experience is seemless and immersive. Other games might do individual aspects better, but they often also have more glaring flaws. Presentation, aesthetics themselves, are not shallow as the cliche would have you believe...to me, those aspects add innumerably to my overall experience with the product. I am not saying that Uncharted itself is perfect. Its not. To be honest, I would like the games to have more freedom as well. But in this console generation that would have to come at the expense of visuals and the explosive experience. I don't want that trade off to occur. No other game offers a cinematic experience like uncharted and gives the player a lot of freedom of choice.

I am interested to see what SE does with FF versus though. They seem to be incorporating epic set pieces and scripted events into what seems to be a huge scale action rpg. I am more hyped for that game that I am for U3, but it isn't a safe bet, like this is.

reKon · Oct 24, 2011

deepbrown said:
Reviews look really good. Eurogamers review is very personal, as I expect many reviews are.

However, he argues that the game should be something that it isn't. What grates me is that he is a different reviewer from last time - I know it isn't always possible to stick with the same reviewer, but there needs to be some series consistency.

You can't just have one reviewer giving the game a 10/10 (Uncharted 2 by Tom) and then another reviewer giving it 8/10 (Uncharted 3 by Simon). It isn't very helpful for gamers trying to compare games, and it's quite disingenuous to the developers.

This, being consistent can go a long way...

I don't know why sites don't do this more. Or at least have the same people review who are familiar with the series review it and then have a second opinion from someone who DOES play games in the genre, but does not have as much experience in reviewing those types of games.

Confidence Man · Oct 24, 2011

KingK said:
I think the problem with the Eurogamer review is he passes off linear game design as a criticism. He even states that the game is exceptional in it's linear design, but he obviously doesn't like this type of game and would prefer a more open world game, so he docks points from the score.

His criticism seemed to be more with how scripted the game is rather than how linear it is. He never said he would prefer an open world game.

SykoTech · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
Do you have a problem with my statement? Most forums wouldn't tolerate some of the responses going on in this thread over the scores.

I'm not sure how long you've been on GAF, but that certainly isn't how things go on this forum. Overzealous fans of any game will dump on reviews and/or reviewers when they don't get the scores that they want. Mods allow it most likely because it's amusing to them (hence why they change the topic title and stuff to attract more people). It doesn't mean that there's some Uncharted fanboy conspiracy going on.

Mama Robotnik · Oct 24, 2011

Why are people waiting for Gamespot?

I know it was years ago now, but the Kane and Lynch scandal evidences that they can and have been paid for reviews and scores. They're not a trustworthy outlet for anything, ever, even a game you are hyped for. I'm not saying it has happened with Uncharted, its certainly a great game and doesn't need such bribes to earn scores, but its nonetheless prove that they are untrustworthy and their reviews are therefore completely meaningless.

Its actually quite disconcerting that untrustworthy, liar sites like Gamespot are held in the same regard as their more trustworthy counterparts by those silly meta sites.

nib95 · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
Do you have a problem with my statement? Most forums wouldn't tolerate some of the responses going on in this thread over the scores.

Those same forums probably wouldn't tolerate users calling mods fanboys either. What's your point?

VIVIblkmgIc said:
Some people just don't want games to be like movies, in any shape or form. So they're prejudicial against them.

This is VERY true. Some people actually resent, dislike, fear, even hate this advance to linear or movie like cinematic gaming. They regard it as regressive, dumb, constrained etc. Reading Simon's U3 review and take on U2, I can definitely see some of this sentiment to a less extreme extent creeping in.

Riposte · Oct 24, 2011

reKon said:
This, being consistent can go a long way...

I don't know why sites don't do this more. Or at least have the same people review who are familiar with the series review it and then have a second opinion from someone who DOES play games in the genre, but does not have as much experience in reviewing those types of games.

I agree it should be this way, then again we shouldn't be paying attention to the sites in the first place. The writers are who matter.

Snuggles · Oct 24, 2011

Mama Robotnik said:
I've found more quotes of madness and added them to the Page 66 Hall of Fame. I think I can safely say I don't think I've ever seen a thread as fanatical as this over a single review score on GAF before. Well, at least during my time on the board.

Wow, this is really embarrassing. I fucking love Uncharted, but I don't understand why people get so emotional over such petty things.

Emitan · Oct 24, 2011

_tetsuo_ said:
The Uncharted receiving 8's from these sites is a good thing. We know which ones to ask the mods to ban now.

are you trying to get on mama's list?

plagiarize · Oct 24, 2011

_tetsuo_ said:
The Uncharted receiving 8's from these sites is a good thing. We know which ones to ask the mods to ban now.

standard deviation. go look it up.

Sorc3r3r · Oct 24, 2011

Any quote on the new A.I. in those reviews?

Cheska · Oct 24, 2011

Bad7667 said:
Translates into "the sites that agree with my preconceived opinion of a game I haven't played only matter."

Also the reviews that are 1 point lower than what is acceptable are saying its not as good as uncharted 2. Other reviewers like it more than U2. Why is that so hard for you and others to understand?

There are a lot of crazy people in this thread. 8/10 is a great score.

Because I find the points they docked the game off on to be laughable. Too linear? Same UC2 formula? As the old cliche saying goes, if it's not broken, why fix it?

And while an 8/10 is by no means a bad score, it sticks out like a sore thumb, especially when stacking against more credible websites.

darkwing · Oct 24, 2011

we need the OT to save us!

ChocolateCupcakes · Oct 24, 2011

Mama Robotnik said:
I've found more quotes of madness and added them to the Page 66 Hall of Fame. I think I can safely say I don't think I've ever seen a thread as fanatical as this over a single review score on GAF before. Well, at least during my time on the board.

Why is this a big deal?

Satchel · Oct 24, 2011

Vire said:
That's why I think it's very important to distance yourself from a game and then review it. It's really easy to get caught up in the moment and make a rash judgement. Otherwise you sound like a frothing fanboy (IGN) and not like a professional (Edge/GiantBomb).

I actually liked the Eurogamer review despite their new look hurting my eyes.

Their reviews are a tad pretentious, but they will criticise appropriately (in most cases) but still lavish praise as they did with Uncharted 3.

In the end, I was always going to buy this game. Uncharted 1 is one of my all time favourite games (2 not so much), so 3 was a no brainer before it was even announced, but my god like I said, when you read a review like the IGN one, it just makes you shudder.

It was the same with God of War 2. As a matter of fact, almost identical. So I guess that's a good sign for Uncharted 3 then because God of War 3 was much better than 2. But 1 was also better than 2.

SolidSnakex · Oct 24, 2011

Mama Robotnik said:
Its actually quite disconcerting that untrustworthy, liar sites like Gamespot are held in the same regard as their more trustworthy counterparts by those silly meta sites.

And those would be?

EatChildren · Oct 24, 2011

Woke up to a whole bunch of not 10/10s.

Bueno.

Emitan · Oct 24, 2011

SolidSnakex said:
And those would be?

Giant Bomb.

EatChildren said:
Woke up to a whole bunch of not 10/10s.

Bueno.

you're making me all tingly inside

-tetsuo- · Oct 24, 2011

Billychu said:
are you trying to get on mama's list?

I have Amy Hennig on speed dial. I just talked to her and she said that Eurogamer can suck her dick.

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