Papacheeks
Banned
YES. Have you watched a match? If someone has a shit connection, and it chooses you for the host, you will lose because of lag.
Crosscounter on youtube talk about this to no end.
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Uncharted 4 multiplayer will have no dedicated servers
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YES. Have you watched a match? If someone has a shit connection, and it chooses you for the host, you will lose because of lag.
Crosscounter on youtube talk about this to no end.
NullPointer
Member
Even if I loved the multiplayer the lag would end up killing it for me and my buddies, as it has with all p2p games. Then the map packs get released and playlists get diluted. And then the microtransations.
Can't do it anymore.
Whats with the lack of dedicated server support with PS4 titles this generation? Seems like there was better support last gen when there was no fee for multiplayer. Or am I just imagining things?
Can't do it anymore.
Whats with the lack of dedicated server support with PS4 titles this generation? Seems like there was better support last gen when there was no fee for multiplayer. Or am I just imagining things?
Fbh
Member
Well that's dissapointing. Specially because it's a first party.
Come on Sony. We are paying for PSN, at least invest in some damn dedicated servers for your biggest franchise
Why? What other piece of news has made it less interesting other than this?
Come on Sony. We are paying for PSN, at least invest in some damn dedicated servers for your biggest franchise
Why? What other piece of news has made it less interesting other than this?
SoraanTribal
Member
Disappointing, but not really surprising considering the previous entries in the series. I still loved the MP in those games, so I'll probably love it here. I do think Sony should start doing dedicated servers for their first party MP games, though. Or at the very least, their big hitters.
Actually, the bold is very far from the truth. Sony disclosed PS+ numbers several times since PS4 launch, and on PS3 there was less than 2 million subscribers (out of 80 million consoles). Last released numbers (January 2015) had the current subscriber number at 11 million (out of about 22 million consoles).
So obviously majority of people are "forced" to subscribe...
Kssio_Aug
Member
I wonder how many people will be playing U4 MP in 10 years.
I believe he's mentioning microtransactions and those strange token/tomb powers in the MP. There was also that news about Alan Tudyk leaving ND and saying they're doing weird changes.
The content they've shown about the SP until now seems pretty great though.
Stallion Dan
Member
It'll be unplayable within about 12 months instead when laggy ass players make up a large part of the remaining userbase and ruin the experience for the rest, especially with Naughty Dog matchmaking.
Dedicated servers on fighters create too much input delay. P2P is better for 1v1. If someone has a shit connection dedicated servers aren't gonna make the match better.
Stallion Dan
Member
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Lys Skygge
Member
Not surprised. While Naughty Dog games have fun multiplayer their bread and butter lies in single player. I don't want to say multiplayer is "tacked on" but it definitely doesn't get the attention that single player gets.
Dick Justice
Banned
We aren't talking about those games, are we? Basic understanding of the argument, please try to attain that at the very least. And at least those games have dedicated servers, eh? Y'know, the very least you'd expect if you're paying a fee to access an online mode.
You aren't getting games for free, you're paying a subscription to obtain them, and only for as long as you keep paying.
Also, maybe, just maybe, a lot of people don't want the extra shit that comes with Plus, and just want to play online with their friends?
And I don't like it, therefore I don't pay for it. Still a shitty argument. People were used to not paying a bullshit premium for online multiplayer on PS3, and now suddenly it's required. "Don't buy it if you don't like it" is one of the absolute laziest arguments you can make. Be it with regards to microtransactions or DLC or, in this case, arbitary paywalls.
Papacheeks
Banned
Wow, what shit response. PS+ started out as a game service though? Do you have the same position for XBox live? Which people have been fine paying for since it's inception around 2002-2003?
Should the service have dedicated server's? Yes. Can you use your console without PS+ and do online activities? Yes. SHould Uncharted 4 have dedicated server's, IMHO yes.
It's not a lazy argument as people boycotted and complained about PS PASSES coupel years back and it wasn't just SOny doing it. SO it stopped. People didn't buy games that had these.
Most AAA games don't even have "Dedicated server's" look at call of duty. It sucks, and we should have them, but even on PC there isn't a lot of dedicated server's by teh developer's/publishers a lot of games on PC are rented by individuals.
Voice your opinion them like the DRM debacle? Your acting like this white knight. Yet millions of people who buy xbox live, and PS+ subscriptions seem to not have your issue? Or see the value in what these services offer.
It's not like they are anti-consumer, that would imply they hid something from you when they sold you the console, or said game.
Lastly your dickish remarks are not warranted as I'm talking about the service, which started out as a game service then because of the online nature of PS4 became a online/Game service. WHich is what your bringing up, with Uncharted not having Dedicated server's and people having to pay for PS+ TO PLAY IT.
ScaryShark
Banned
I never had connection issues, perceived or reality, with TLOU but my tolerance for p2p MP games going forward is incredibly low. Especially after the experience I've had with MGS V.
Papacheeks
Banned
You have a link to that? All I can find are the numbers for PS4?
Japanmanx3
Member
What console games do at this point? Legit
question.
question.
you not noticing it =/= never had it
pay2peer.
Kralamoonard
Member
People are still playing Uncharted 2 MP, and that's 6 years on...just sayin'.
But point taken.
paperspace
Member
I disagree.
Rocket League is 3v3, or even 1v1. It's an indie made by 12 people and it has dedicated servers. The fact that U4 is 5v5 (or whatever) is irrelevant, it's still needed.
Negotiator
Member
Only MEX/BRA/KSA players play it these days. In other words, it's unplayable.
Dick Justice
Banned
Not really, because as I said, the original topic doesn't concern subscription-based games, but rather a subscription-based online platform.
Never used Xbox Live. "B-but Microsoft!" seems to be a common (shit) argument.
Christ, what an inane response. No point arguing with an incoherent fanboy, so you're ignored. Good day.
I was hoping that P2P connections in online multiplayer would die this gen, but nope.
Be prepared to see a lot of 'migrating hosts' or 'lost connection to the host' during UC4 matches. Most of my (trophy hunting) friends are from other countries, so there would always be someone that could not connect to our party. If people's crappy internet connections have anything to do with it, I fully expect in less than a year UC4 multiplayer to be a ghost town with nothing fixed.
Be prepared to see a lot of 'migrating hosts' or 'lost connection to the host' during UC4 matches. Most of my (trophy hunting) friends are from other countries, so there would always be someone that could not connect to our party. If people's crappy internet connections have anything to do with it, I fully expect in less than a year UC4 multiplayer to be a ghost town with nothing fixed.
Negotiator
Member
That sounds like a NAT Type/connectivity issue. It's not country-specific.
You need to port forward and/or enable UPnP on your router... or Sony could finally implement IPv6 on the PS4, so NAT wouldn't be needed anymore.
That being said, I fully expect NAT Type 3 juggernauts (aka zero bar warriors) to make a triumphant return and ruin plenty of matches. :S
Not surprising considering other ND games did it even TLoU:R on PS4.
But clearly people wants to pay for online multiplayer without an exact clue what's the money being used for.
But clearly people wants to pay for online multiplayer without an exact clue what's the money being used for.
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Yes
Ms has the whole azure cloud infrastructure so for them it is probsbly easy and cheap. Saves in the cloud also have no limit
Sony has no cloud infrastructure
Ms is about a generation ahead here
Papacheeks
Banned
How is someone who plays primarily online games on PC being a fanboy? You say to stick to the post at hand. Yet you brought up paying for Online in a forum about Dedicated servers for Uncharted 4, and the rest of their games have not had Dedicated servers.
How am I a fanboy? I said if you and other's think this is such an injustice then do something about it? I agreed with you?
The reason I called you out was you said my "examples" had nothing to do with what was being discussed. When in fact you are the one who brought up earlier in the thread paying for online?
The topic is about dedicated servers for Uncharted 4, you yourself brought up paying for online service not me.
Seriously your responses are fucking PC ELITE ATTITUDE BS. You have a point yes, could or should it be in it's own thread? Probably.
Seriously the way you post to people is fucking atrocious. Though some do deserve it, doesn't mean you have to be so pretentious about it.
RedAssedApe
Banned
might be necessary since its cross platform?
autoduelist
Member
Agreed. I play a lot of TLOUR and only had lag two games... one was really bad, so I disconnected, joined another game, and was fine. The other saw minor lag issues (getting shot around corners).
But the hundreds of other games? All fine.
What? TLOUR still has tons of players, and the Uncharteds had vibrant long lasting communities as well, although U2 and TLOU/TLOUR are probably the most loved. Why would U4 suddenly be a ghost town? This makes no sense.
LUXURY
Member
id settle for some input delay over a fucking frame by frame 1 bar any day.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
What kind of logic is this...
It's been a while, but it's a combination of announcing 50% of PS4 owners being subscribers:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-23-half-of-ps4-owners-are-ps-plus-subscribers
and the early 2014 report of PS+ tripling since launch:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...Subscribers-Triple-In-Volume-Since-PS4-Launch
I remember doing the math then, but I cannot find better links now.
It's more likely an engineering decision. In the sense that with the way they handle the online play, bypassing the server step might have given them better results in a lot of use cases.
Papacheeks
Banned
Please elaborate.
Wow. All those 4v4 laggy team slayer games I've played must have been a dream. Anyone who thinks dedicated servers aren't required can't be serious about multiplayer gaming.
Cert.in.Death
Member
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Yes, then add the "tripled" statement.
3.5m + 1.75 m (from PS3 era) = 5.25 m, which is about three times as much.
Fbh
Member
If people had voted with their wallets with Live then things might have been different but Live set a precedent that it was obvious Sony would follow.
I didn't like paying for Live and I'm not keen PSN has gone the same way (although the Plus method with games and additional benefits at least helps) but that's what the market choose.
PSN was only free as an attempt to differentiate and to hopefully lure people from paying for Live. When the big markets of US, UK etc showed they'd rather pay if the console/games were more popular then the die was cast.
Myself I'd prefer a decent bare bones online that's free to all with a couple of tiers of paid membership with increasing benefits (perhaps top tier including dedicated servers) but nobody listens to me!
FloorEssence
Neo Member
Sony make you pay to play online yet don't even provide dedicated servers for their biggest games? What a fucking inexcusable joke
Certainly a bummmer.. loving the online smoothness of halo 5 and gears.. hell even party chat has their own dedicated servers on x1.
Will still buy uncharted 4 the second it's released cause I love the single player. Will see how multi runs now before I dedicate a ton of time to it.
Will still buy uncharted 4 the second it's released cause I love the single player. Will see how multi runs now before I dedicate a ton of time to it.
Papacheeks
Banned
I thought it was much larger on PS3? Like 3 Million? Service has been out for like 2-3 years?
Maybe I'm looking into it to hard?
How much is it now? Are there a bigger number of Subscribers o PS3 now because of it's rise on PS4?
Negotiator
Member
Regarding cloud infrastructure, people have to understand that PS4 friends list, messages and even trophies (there's no offline mode) are cloud-based. It wasn't that way in the PS3.
Cloud-based is more expensive than local storage. So yeah, I assume that our PS+ subscriptions have to fund all that new infrastructure...
Cloud-based is more expensive than local storage. So yeah, I assume that our PS+ subscriptions have to fund all that new infrastructure...
Negotiator
Member
Really? I thought it was p2p-based, hence the NAT Type errors:
https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/2rdrin/you_nat_is_open_and_party_chat_is_still_not/
They have never broken it between consoles, I worked it out that time. Last ever report was back in January - 10.9 million
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/01/05/ps4-sales-reach-18-5-million-worldwide/
But I doubt PS3 numbers increased. I think it is more likely to have decreased, with people leaving last gen behind. But we will probably never kniw exactly.