SlickShoesRUCrazy
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So, VR is the real "next gen" hardware.
Seems like everybody and their mom wants to jump on that ship.
Seems like everybody and their mom wants to jump on that ship.
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Valve to Demo VR Hardware
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I'll be more than happy if I'm proven wrong and my 'worries' are put to rest.
masterkajo
Member
VR sounds so awesome. Though when I think about Headcrabs actually attacking your face...
Former being the important word. Why fire them if you wanted to do that?
VR is coming, but what to do about the fact that you pretty much need 4k or more for VR to be a good experience? I have the Oculus Rift, but damn that's some heavy pixelation. 1080p will not be enough.
I don't forsee the new consoles handling 4k, especially not at 60fps and with the dual rendering required for 3D. Feel like we are more than one console generation away to handle VR properly.
Is this going to be a nische PC thing för 8 years? :/
I don't forsee the new consoles handling 4k, especially not at 60fps and with the dual rendering required for 3D. Feel like we are more than one console generation away to handle VR properly.
Is this going to be a nische PC thing för 8 years? :/
foamdino
Member
I think Valve are show-casing what will be possible in the future, but that doesn't mean it will be possible for Oculus to just copy it. Oculus are currently focused on a specific low price - Valve are building a prototype with all the top end tech - they are not equivalent.
I can see Valve basically just doing research into this field and then sharing their tech via patents with manufacturers instead of doing the hardware themselves - I think Oculus have already had some tech (software) from Valve and Palmer seems to be very friendly with Gabe and Micheal Abrash.
I can see Valve basically just doing research into this field and then sharing their tech via patents with manufacturers instead of doing the hardware themselves - I think Oculus have already had some tech (software) from Valve and Palmer seems to be very friendly with Gabe and Micheal Abrash.
jacksepticeye
Member
More competition the better. It will drive the market forward.
I expect you'll get 1080p and later 4k. Something that can be driven with current consoles and PCs, and then a higher end version for high end PCs.
I remember when the early computers appeared.They cost between £500-£1000 (back in the early 80'swhen that was a lot more )and were very niche.Now look at them.
Nightengale
Member
AR =/= VR.
Consoles will have VR, but like you said, it wont be the best.
And I think a lot of people will disagree that you need 4k for VR to be a 'good experience'. That's a very subjective term.
Finally, don't underestimate the impact of a resolution jump like from 720p to 1080p when your face is right up against the screen.
They do describe the glasses as a mix between those. And surely must there be a lot of crossover in the hardware and software, no?
A simple clip is supposed to turn their AR glasses into VR glasses
Software and hardware wise, AR is pretty much a superset of VR. As long as you can't do good VR you certainly can't do good AR.
ashecitism
Member
castAR's VR solution seems really tacked on
call_kotaku
Member
Aren't Oculus and Valve effectively partnered? There's a ton of cross-promotion going on between the two, so I don't see why Valve would release a competing device.
I'm interested in what sort of internal prototypes Valve has been working on, just because there's a lot of hype about them and there really hasn't been too much info on new VR hardware developments/features since the OR devkit hit.
I'm interested in what sort of internal prototypes Valve has been working on, just because there's a lot of hype about them and there really hasn't been too much info on new VR hardware developments/features since the OR devkit hit.
My guess would be something like a console. So somewhere inbetween.
This will be interesting with all these vr solutions. Hopefully they will work nicely in 2D space aswell so you can use this as you use multiple monitors
eXistor
Member
My thoughts exactly. Why even step outside if you can be inside a completely believable fantasy world? It'll take some time before we're there, but I can definitely see this becoming a problem.
It's worth noting that Valve will probably never sell a VR goggle, this is likely a one-off ultra high-end prototype that they love messing around with. Oculus is already in contact with Valve in regards to VR refinements, so they're likely going to be 'partners' if Valve goes big into VR.
toddhunter
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DouglasteR
Member
Oh Yeah.
In Gaben we trust.
( but i really like Oculus )
In Gaben we trust.
( but i really like Oculus
)All of this VR talk is making me really anxious. I really want it to work for consoles, specifically the PS4. What scares me though, is when people start saying that it's not powerful enough to handle VR. Like with what the Oculus Rift is capable of doing. If that somehow ends up being the case, then what's the point in VR on consoles? I don't want something like this to be half-assed. I want it done right... Can Sony pull this off at CES next year if the rumors are true? =(
Because Valve wants all the money, why do you think they push linux ? Fear of the MS Front Store included in Win8 .
They are greedy
Man, if they don't demo it with Half-Life 3 I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to give any fucks whatsoever, regardless of how impressive it may or may not be.
It's getting to the point where everything Valve does that isn't Half-Life 3 makes me feel more and more contempt for them.
It's getting to the point where everything Valve does that isn't Half-Life 3 makes me feel more and more contempt for them.
iceatcs
Junior Member
So brave, but I agree that Valve want all the business but it isn't only reason.
Care to elaborate? I only see WoW dwellers becoming VR dwellers lol
To be fair though the Win 8 store is pretty terrible.
Valve are giving all their insights gained from their VR R&D to OculusVR, they're going to partner up once the tech becomes viable financially.
Yeah but they were afraid of it
IAmRandom31
Banned
No Valve Nooooo, don't do it.
You are just getting into this whole hardware thing and now your spreading yourselves thin with OS's, hardware, controllers and now VR? Come on man.
The water is still warm with VR, we do not even have a mainstream consumer product yet. Everyone needs to calm down on VR.
You are just getting into this whole hardware thing and now your spreading yourselves thin with OS's, hardware, controllers and now VR? Come on man.
The water is still warm with VR, we do not even have a mainstream consumer product yet. Everyone needs to calm down on VR.
If they were at one point, they probably aren't now. There's nothing in it, and Win 8 apps on a desktop or laptop are bordering on useless.
iceatcs
Junior Member
The R&D resource can be used for Valve's own VR.
Otakumegane
Member
Everybody but Nintendo on this.
Damn it I want my VR Metroid Prime.
Damn it I want my VR Metroid Prime.
Being calm is not how you get a foothold in one of the largest (or perhaps the largest) upcoming entertainment markets.
SeriousApes
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I look forward to see where this goes. I'm excited for a VR future.
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I look forward to see where this goes. I'm excited for a VR future.
RabidTanooki
Member
I could totally see Valve holding back on HL3 until something like this is revealed.
Labombadog
Member
I have a feeling the Oculus Rift team is in joint development with Steam's VR. Of course it is just speculation and wild dreaming but it isn't that crazy to think about.
Plus Oculus is going to be part of Valve's Dev Days in January.
Link: http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/18/5118518/amd-nvidia-oculus-and-more-to-speak-at-steam-dev-days
Plus Oculus is going to be part of Valve's Dev Days in January.
Link: http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/18/5118518/amd-nvidia-oculus-and-more-to-speak-at-steam-dev-days
People who say that the consoles aren't powerful enough to do VR are wrong.
People who say that the consoles aren't powerful enough to do VR proper justice are probably right. But neither will an underpowered PC.
This would be great and best-case scenario.
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hmm? I was just saying that when you're close to something, it has a sense of solidity and 'being there' that is unlike anything I've ever experienced with normal glasses based 3D. In that demo you're standing basically face to face with a high res 3D scan of a woman and it is very 'real'. If she'd blinked or turned her head I've have shat myself.
(that solidity would probably work from a further distance too, but the current OR is so low resolution that you really need to be close to an object to overcome that)
They were afraid of it because they thought they were closing off the Desktop and that everyone would be forced to use it. Has nothing to do with the quality of content on the store.
That would be pretty neat. But they'd also have to perfect it; it would be tragic if HL3 would turn out to be a bad just because of iffy controls
MadOdorMachine
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It also doesn't cause nausea or have the screen door effect. CastAR shows more promise imo, especially the idea of a holodeck.