gamechanger87
Member
Correct. If a murder (or a death) takes place while you are committing a felony, you are likely to get a felony murder charge. Even if you didn't pull the trigger nor were you armed.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Video shows woman shoot at burglars in home invasion
- Thread starter E92 M3
- Start date
- Status
Correct. If a murder (or a death) takes place while you are committing a felony, you are likely to get a felony murder charge. Even if you didn't pull the trigger nor were you armed.
Actually, for the most part we can safely ignore self-defense cases because they are extremely rare. Even when they do happen, it is often the case that the person was in little or no danger and therefore unnecessary.
To be honest, I'm not planning to post more in this thread (as I'm just repeating myself), but appreciate the way you framed the question.
Unfortunately, I cannot comment much on this particular case, because the video starts with both her and the assailant already pointing to each other. I do not know what happened before that. She obviously noticed something ahead, otherwise she wouldn't (one would hope) have a gun at hand. So, that lapse of time missing is kind of important.
Of course, if all happened in a second (and it might have, since the space between her "room" and the entrance seems to be just a few meters), and she suddenly found herself in front of a person aiming at her, the reaction would not only be justified, it would be an instinctive one.
But again, I'm not questioning her actions. She did what she did, and that's the end of it.
I'm however, not ok with the idea that people (already armed), being called "brave" for shooting first. There is simply, nothing brave on that. And -depending on the circumstances-, a reckless call to make.
LizardKing
Member
Way to totally miss the point and not even read the words of my post. That took effort. When I say it's not just about numbers, and you say it's rare, well we're not even talking about the same thing.
Trigonometrize.
Member
I can't help but think the chances of this are insanely low unless you live in a neighborhood full of people that crowd around the home that has the sound of gunfire coming out of it.
Not just rare, extremely rare. And you're missing the point that it is way more likely you'll hurt yourself than actually have a need for a firearm, so it's a generally bad idea.
bullets go through walls and windows
http://wgntv.com/2016/07/11/teen-struck-by-stray-bullet-that-came-through-window/
Sorry but I've seen home invasions where idiots storm in on peaceful people going about their business and then just casually kill them even after they've subdued the occupants and have them on their stomachs.
Zero sympathy for burglars, especially ones with guns, and especially ones who could easily have killed the rest of the people in the house.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Three people with guns drawn kicked her door down and you're lamenting the loss of one of them. You don't need weapons (or three people) to burgle so yes they were threatening her.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Men with guns broke into the house. Yes. They were threatening her by barging in with guns. If that doesn't meet your definition of a threat nothing will.
Yes, and he only has himself to blame. He's be alive if he stayed home and been a family man. Shame you have more compassion for them than the innocent woman being violently victimized. Damn shame.
Did they? No. Why be outraged over a hypothetical instead of outraged against the actual three morons rampaging innocent people like that.
Fair enough. But then again it's sickening how you seem to prefer this woman get murdered on the alter of your self righteousness than she defend herself. Not everyone is a pacifist. I wouldn't want my wife to play the odds that she's not going to get raped or murdered when three armed motherfuckers barge in the place.
Glad she survived.
LOL WUT? This woman protected her home and family from some assholes that INVADED her home. Hopefully the other two rot in prison.
I wish we were getting trolled.
Snkfanatic
Banned
While I agree she was an idiot for shooting out of her door randomly, I cannot agree with the rest of your post. Why are you so quick to defend people that would break into someone's home while sweeping the home with their guns drawn and ready? That's pretty damn threatening...what should she have done? Wait for them to shot at her and hopefully miss? Then it's ok?
Mammoth Jones
Member
I've been in these threads enough to know those are legit sentiments that get expressed in these threads. So if it's a troll then so be it. But it's not like some people don't get outraged that a woman defends herself with a gun here.
Like I said, you have a split second to decide. She made the decision she thought best. Considering it was her life on the line and the clock was ticking I'm not gonna play armchair analyst when she chooses to fight.
A good reminder that home invasion robberies are rarely random. They target homes with cash, jewelry drugs or goods that are known or suspected to the robber.not universal of course and the robbers also make mistakes.
She was perfectly within her rights imo. But there are other considerations when thinking about home protection. And a gun is still statistically more dangerous than no gun.
Of course nobody wants to be an outlier or exception to the"rule"
She was perfectly within her rights imo. But there are other considerations when thinking about home protection. And a gun is still statistically more dangerous than no gun.
Of course nobody wants to be an outlier or exception to the"rule"
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Surprised she survived though I guess she had the element of surprise in a way.
This happened Tuesday morning in Norcross, GA which is also in Gwinnett county..
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/gwinnett-county/police-home-invasion-suspect-officers-exchange-fire/447974365
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/gwinnett-county/police-home-invasion-suspect-officers-exchange-fire/447974365
TimeEffect
Member
Oh yeah, I forgot the other side of home invasions: fucking up and traumatizing children for life.
When armed robbers break into your house in the middle of the night you're welcome to sit down and have a chat with them.
Love the casual insult thrown at all Americans though just because someone was defending themselves.
Mammoth Jones
Member
A gun should be among the last things one owns when it comes to home defense.
Other options should definitely be utilized.
-Escape plan that you actively discuss w/ the occupants in the home in the event of a fire or home invasion. Especially a pre-agreed upon location where you meet up at. My family has this. Never needed to be used but it's just best to know.
-Home alarm. At least something audible that indicates someone breaking in.
-Access to a phone in your sleeping area.
-I can't stress owning one of these enough.
-A dog. Big one preferably but anything that barks will do.
-Common sense. Lock your doors and windows at night.
Then after all those things you may want to consider owning a firearm. But it's a lot to consider.
WeAreStarStuff
Member
This is terrifying.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Kill or be killed was probably going through her head.
They had malicious intent, she didn't until her life was threatened.
I hate guns but this is really common sense.
You seem to have absolutely zero regard for people who lawfully defend themselves. You act like you'd quickly trade their lives so long as it furthers your own agenda. Thankfully that won't be happening any time soon.
Also, you conveniently only cite statistics in which a person is shot and killed in self-defense. That indeed is rare, thankfully. But you're pretending like virtually nobody successfully uses guns in self-defense, period, which is simply not true. After Sandy Hook, the White House commissioned a study that found guns are used often and effectively to deter crime. A situation in which a gun is used in defense doesn't ALWAYS result in someone getting shot.
mercenar1e
Member
under her circumstances an innocent death would be brushed off as an accident.
He's not saying that. He's saying that a gun for self defense is statistically counter productive. Un seatbelts people in car wrecks are occasionally saved from death by being thrown clear of the vehicle but that is a statistically poor safety strategy. So is a gun. Math not opinion.
He (and a lot of others) still make that argument based only on self-defense incidents resulting in the death or injury of the aggressor. The reality is much more complicated.
Because many times more people die than are saved by guns. Owning a gun greatly increases the chances that you'll die. My "agenda" is saving as many lives as possible, which clearly implies reducing the number of firearms, and by pointing the near uselessness of owning them for self-defense.
There was no study that concluded that guns deter crime. It was simply a collection of various other gun studies (including several clearly wrong studies) that the CDC produced. Real government funded studies on gun violence is actually illegal.
What we do know is that nearly all pro-gun arguments related to self-defense are wrong: source.
Stormhammer
Member
well she didn't kill a neighbor so why even bring it up
it's like when it comes to guns people will find any way to pull anything they can to not support and just a bunch of what ifs
just like the people whining about what ifs from protests blocking traffic
well see, that near uselessness became slightly useful because she saved herself.
They were there to rob her, not kill anyone. The guns were for intimidation.
Mammoth Jones
Member
If only that woman had these statistics when three armed burglars barged into the home. It would have created a magical barrier that prevented them from entering!
Do you know this as an absolute fact or are you pulling it out of your own ass?
Because I can't say either way. Neither can she. Hence why she erred on the side of caution. Which is perfectly reasonable when three dudes with guns drawn barge into your home.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
How do you know that???
You don't.
At all.
Many robberies end with "witnesses" being executed.
mercenar1e
Member
lol how the fuck would you know that.. are you one of the two people in the video that the police are looking for?
Enough with the troll posts.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
Oh really? Are you one of the two that escaped? How can you be so sure?
Armed robbers are dead, oh no.
But those guys would hve killed her definitely, huh? So it was justified for her to shoot them and kill one of them.
Netherscourge
Banned
Did she shoot that one guy's hat off his head?
WeAreStarStuff
Member
This is a troll post people.
Yes, the threat is there. She's not going to wait until she's dead to fire
rokkerkory
Member
serves them right
she is vietnamese too
she is vietnamese too
You are trigger inducing
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
If she felt they would have, she's completely justified.
Even if she didn't, she might be.
They're on her property with lethal weapons.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
- Poll