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What developer/publisher has fallen the furthest from grace?
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ikarinokami
Banned
developers
rare
bioware
AM2
publishers
sega
konami
rare
bioware
AM2
publishers
sega
konami
Ffxi is MMO its not my type of game but people liked It
Ffxii is good
Ffxiii is bad
Ffxiv started bad but they say is good now
Ffxv i liked it,Its not as good as before, but its good
1/5 or 2/5 If you hated ffxv
Vital Tundra
Member
In terms of developing great games, Rare. Went from top of the class, with major hits on both SNES and N64, to an average Star Fox adventure and Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Then they were the Kinect team. The only recent games I think are great from them are Viva Pinata. Hoping their Pirate game is good.
As a company Konami. Just shit on console gaming.
SE definitely shat the bed the entire last generation with Final Fantasy. But they really got their shit together this generation.
I despised Capcom last generation because of their poor business practices and stuff.
As a company Konami. Just shit on console gaming.
SE definitely shat the bed the entire last generation with Final Fantasy. But they really got their shit together this generation.
I despised Capcom last generation because of their poor business practices and stuff.
AzureFlame
Member
Konami.
killatopak
Member
I miss old Tri-Ace. 
Phrozenflame500
Member
I was trying to think an edgy response to this, but no it's Konami.
I like the Sega answer though.
I like the Sega answer though.
timetokill
Banned
... Atari?
This makes as little sense as suggesting that Sega has fallen from grace (see my answer to that on the last page).
Lost Planet 1, Dead Rising 1, and the Street Fighter IV series were spectacular all by themselves, and those were hardly the only good games they released last gen. What was wrong with their business practices?
Bloodporne
Member
Fallen from grace is too strong, but I couldn't help but think of id when I saw the title.
Yeah gotta be Sega for me. Another poster said it but their output from the 80s until the early 2000s rivaled even Nintendo, and that was during an age of publishers who weren't creatively bound. They put out a couple of titles here and there that I love, namely Yakuza and Alien: Isolation, but nothing like they used to. Financially I believe they're actually doing very well though.
Even considering that, I'd still say there are better examples of developers/publishers that have had much more dramatic falls.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I actually have more faith in Rare making a good game out of Sea of Thieves than I do in the new Bioware IP.
NathanDiego
Member
Bioware,Konami and Capcom
Crimsonsky
Member
As much as it pains me to admit my choice would be Bioware. I used to buy their releases sight unseen without hesitation and be confident in that choice. ME3 broke that and their subsequent releases have not restored that trust. Which is a real shame.
daTRUballin
Member
Neversoft was actually merged into Infinity Ward a couple of years ago. So yes, they're basically a COD studio now. In fact, they ARE IW now. Which is still weird to think about.
poodaddy
Member
For me it's this, simply because I love their IP's so much and they're content to let them die.
BRocknRolla
Member
Bioware.
2 of my favorite games of all time to a company I don't even pay attention to anymore.
Hello Games is an interesting response, but they don't have the legacy to have as much of a "fall" in my opinion.
2 of my favorite games of all time to a company I don't even pay attention to anymore.
Hello Games is an interesting response, but they don't have the legacy to have as much of a "fall" in my opinion.
Calm Mind
Member
While the Square side of things has slid down a path I don't favor in years passed, the Enix side of the company has kept them from slipping into mediocrity.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Konami has been Winning Eleven and metal gear solid for over 10 years before the cluster fuck with kojima. Their fall from Grace was gradual and maddening at the end sure, but SEGAs decline is much sadder imo.
Since they actually​ used​ to make games people cared about for a much longer time far more recently
Since they actually​ used​ to make games people cared about for a much longer time far more recently
Level 5 is one that hurts me the most..
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Konami
Bad business practices and shitting on major IPs
Bad business practices and shitting on major IPs
Agreed. i'm also a bit peeved so many PS1 Classics are missing from EU PS Store like Chrono Cross, Threads of Fate and Xenogears just to mention a few.
Isn't the game actually improving? No doubt that the launch was premature (even though the main dev guy looked like death even by then), but instead of the game worsening (like some MMOs even if that's a different genre) NMS seems to be charting in the other direction.
BluePigGanon
Member
Konami, hands down.
AnathemicOne
Banned
Konami
BioWare
Peter Molyneux/Fable series
BioWare
Peter Molyneux/Fable series
InfiniteCombo
Banned
If I were a more emotional person, this would absolutely break my heart... Because it's true.
I grew up with Capcom, and for a while it seemed like they could do no wrong in delivering fun video games. I could literally play every single one of their CPS-2 and CPS-3 releases, even today.
2017 Capcom, though? I haven't even bought Street Fighter V, and have no plans to do so. Hype levels for MVC:I are low. I haven't even bought RE7 yet, which is saying a lot because Resident Evil is my favorite video game series of all time. They're sitting on a treasure trove of intellectual properties, yet do nothing about it. It's getting to the point where I just can't get excited about anything Capcom does these days.
It's fucking tragic. My favorite three video game companies growing up -- Capcom, Sega, and SNK -- are just a shadow of their former selves. So I'm sure Nintendo is happy, waiting for me with open arms, since in my mind, they are still the ones who provide the kind of video game fun I used to get from Capcom, Sega, and SNK games.
facetheslayer92
Member
The unholy trinity of Rare, Konami, and Capcom.
Taliban Stan
Member
Rare said this. Nintendo was very hands on with them. MS assumed it was 100% Rare. They bought them and left them on their own to make games. They cranked out Grabbed by the Ghoulies and a remake of Conker.
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Konami
Also not fallen further from grace, I'd say to some point Atlus because:
- Persona 4 Ultimax being region locked for who knows what reason
- Persona 5 streaming controversy and delayed and mediocre localization.
- Announcing a lot of NDS remakes for 3DS that aren't exactly needed (in fact their line-up for this year are... NDS remakes).
- They used to pick up and localize great titles before but nowadays... Not so much.
Also not fallen further from grace, I'd say to some point Atlus because:
- Persona 4 Ultimax being region locked for who knows what reason
- Persona 5 streaming controversy and delayed and mediocre localization.
- Announcing a lot of NDS remakes for 3DS that aren't exactly needed (in fact their line-up for this year are... NDS remakes).
- They used to pick up and localize great titles before but nowadays... Not so much.
Zombie James
Banned
Bethesda. Going from Morrowind to Fallout 4 is such a massive step backwards (other than combat and graphics).
Capcom bounce back up, so they can fall back down. On repeat.
ikarinokami
Banned
I saw a lots of votes for Rare but honestly they pale in comparison to what happened to Sega AM2.
what happened. jesus, rare fell from mt Everest , AM 2 fell from space.
what happened. jesus, rare fell from mt Everest , AM 2 fell from space.
daTRUballin
Member
At the same time, there have been quite a few ex-Rare devs saying the opposite. There always seem to be a bunch of conflicting stories from Rare employees. I think the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.
Although there have been WAY more employees saying Microsoft was heavy handed than the opposite.....
So many to pick from, but I will go with the one that I will say has pissed me off the most: EA.
I remember back a while back ago that EA had a good amount of titles and have established themselves well in the gaming industry. But then it took such a nose dive that I question if they should even bother making any other games other than the sports titles.
Hell, if you need a finer example of just how much EA F***s up, the Extra Credits video that was posted five years back is a great way to summarize how hard EA had fallen back then, and how if we look at it today, it continues to dig a deeper hole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3FN3YCwYk
Edit: Honestly, Rare and Capcom have been hits and missing in my opinion. Yeah... not exactly the best it could have been, but I could still tolerate a few of the games that had come out during that time. As for Konami though, I don't think I had a high opinion of them to begin with, and it feels redundant to state it out loud after all the shit they pulled with the whole "Cancel Silent Hills," "Invest in gambling rather than actual games" and the all around treatment of Kojima that lead MGSV into dark times (and a survival horror spinoff for some reason)
I remember back a while back ago that EA had a good amount of titles and have established themselves well in the gaming industry. But then it took such a nose dive that I question if they should even bother making any other games other than the sports titles.
Hell, if you need a finer example of just how much EA F***s up, the Extra Credits video that was posted five years back is a great way to summarize how hard EA had fallen back then, and how if we look at it today, it continues to dig a deeper hole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh3FN3YCwYk
Edit: Honestly, Rare and Capcom have been hits and missing in my opinion. Yeah... not exactly the best it could have been, but I could still tolerate a few of the games that had come out during that time. As for Konami though, I don't think I had a high opinion of them to begin with, and it feels redundant to state it out loud after all the shit they pulled with the whole "Cancel Silent Hills," "Invest in gambling rather than actual games" and the all around treatment of Kojima that lead MGSV into dark times (and a survival horror spinoff for some reason)
Zipper Interactive did with the socom series. Slowly at first (3 and Combined Assault were deviations, but nothing TOO major), and then Socom 4 was just a shadow of the series' former self. It was a big "fuck you" to those of us still in the community.
Seminal online gaming experience, Socom 1 and 2.
Seminal online gaming experience, Socom 1 and 2.
Capcom used to be at the top or near the top of every genre. Action? Megaman. Fighting games? Street fighter 2. RPG? Breath of Fire. Horror? Resident Evil. Power stone was awesome.
They were so rad they took first and second sometimes. Darkstalkers/Rival Schools, Veiwtiful joe, Devil May Cry.Heck they dominated the fighting game scene multiple times.
They were incredibly dominant.
Now Breath of Fire is a mobile game, Street fighter was released as an emaciated skeleton, MvC3 released a full followup scant months after release and Megaman has been largely executed. Their talent has largely and publicly deserted the company with only poor Ono to try to tow the line.
What happened capcom? YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!
They were so rad they took first and second sometimes. Darkstalkers/Rival Schools, Veiwtiful joe, Devil May Cry.Heck they dominated the fighting game scene multiple times.
They were incredibly dominant.
Now Breath of Fire is a mobile game, Street fighter was released as an emaciated skeleton, MvC3 released a full followup scant months after release and Megaman has been largely executed. Their talent has largely and publicly deserted the company with only poor Ono to try to tow the line.
What happened capcom? YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!
Square was so high quality in the '90s, which makes it difficult for me to think of any other option that could be better. I mean, they had plenty of GOAT-status games in that era (CT, FF6, SD3, Vagrant Story, etc.); now (and since the 2000s), they have very few worthwhile games, IMO. Such a shame.
CharminUltra
Member
Square has been meh for so long that I can't even get angry anymore. I got over them years ago.
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They've been releasing decent to great titles lately.
I liked FFXV, NieR Automata, Kingdom Hearts 2.8, I am Setsuna, Dragon Quest Builders, and World of Final Fantasy.
Still need to play Dragon Quest Heroes II more, but still fixing on my backlog.
I'd say Dragon Quest Builders and NieR: Automata are a few of the GOTG for me
I'd say FFXV too but people will kill me
Edit: Try to compare Square Enix this gen vs. last gen, they were hell last gen.
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