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Where the fuck is Final Fantasy XV?
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aspiegamer
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It begs the question of WHY they wouldn't finish the damn game. Surely it can't be that hard to make one thing. Even if they released it as a piece of crap not worth the bluray it was printed on it's still sell some, meaning they'd at least make back some of the countless millions they've already spent on it over a decade. Maybe throw us a bone and go Ground Zeros on us with a prologue.
Stuff like KH and TLG being dead? That's, statistically, far more likely than FFXV being shoved away. To actually just NOT finish a mainline Final Fantasy game would have to rank highly as a "worst gaming business decision". I just can't picture it. Not after this long and the rebranding and the extremely positive reaction.
People forget that this is not just one game.
VersusXV will be a sub franchise that will extend over the entire next generation.
SE is currently setting up the game and its sequels and the project formally started in late 2011
I know it sucks to wait but if the game has any chance of being good it needs a heck of a lot of time.Probably 5 years at least.
Its just the harsh truth.These games aren't easy or simple projects.Particularly a next gen FF game that's actually a good game.
The Witcher 3 for example has been in the works since 2011 and Watch Dogs took even the mighty Ubisoft army tons of time to actually make.MGSV has no release date and god knows how long its been in development.
Well, to be fair, it wasn't utter silence, especially not for 2013. They DID show it after E3, even if it was 99% E3 trailer material and 4 seconds of new stuff. They also showed some early gameplay from KHIII. That said, they've failed to honor their promise in 2014. The only word we've gotten from it is from Hashimoto or was it Kitase saying its development is advancing well.
Prototype Viktor
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It's in the dungeon where Square keeps the things they find out will make people love them again
Palette Swap
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No one should hold their breath for a game that originated as PS3 vaporware. After this long, it's time to let go or you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
If it ever releases, be pleasantly surprised when it does.
If it ever releases, be pleasantly surprised when it does.
NoctisVsStar
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Heh wouldn't be surprised if both TPP, the new gears and silent hill are out before we see FFXV lol
SE where's your honor? Jesus no shame either.
Well i still do for TLG because they keep saying it's alive and still in development but FFXV on the other hand we haven't heard shit so this seems more likely to be dead.
Haha is that an excuse now?
I chuckled.
plasmawave
Banned
It's behind you!
I have faith that they're working on a story, set-pieces and scripted scenarios that will blow us away. To do that, they probably don't want to raise expectations through showing footage.
So please under-believe
Capcom is giving them a run for their money. Or, not "ever" but at least right now.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Real TGS is still two weeks away. You just to fucking believe man. YOU GOTTA FUCKING BELIEVE
I hate that gif because I can taste and smell the liquor. ugh
but I like it too
As a developer, sure, but they still publish stuff. Deus Ex, Sleeping Dogs, Lara Croft: Osiris. That kinda thing.
It's the other way around for me. Just the other day Tabata said they want to release it as soon as possible. At least we've gotten a few trailers for XV rather than none like TLG.
Prototype Viktor
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They died around 2009
#Team TLG for president (of the missing games club) 2016
GreenMakoEyes
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this is disappointing.. hope SE to show both FFs in some form at TGS :/
Why would Yoshida and co. straight up lie to us? The Last Guardian is coming, i'm sure.
lazybones18
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Something has to keep TLG company in that New Mexico landfill
I still want it to come, it's just that you said we haven't heard anything about XV when they've said quite a few times development is going well (lol) and we've had 3 trailers in the past year and a bit compared to TLG.
Pellegri Testament
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Can a single game be considered much of a "sub franchise" though? Because the way they are going with 15 the only reason why it will "span an entire console gen" like they originally said, is because it will take them the entire console gen to get that one game out.
Unless they're actively working on said sequels now and don't want to release the base game before it's sequels are far enough along, then the console generation will be over before any of said sequels even see the light of day. People can say all they want that they "just started" the game a few years ago, but from what we have seen so far in the form of a trailer, the game is just as far along now as it was 8 years ago with the trailer they showed then. All the newest trailer showed was some combat(which may not even be the games actual combat, see how 13s was originally planned and well.....) and added some flash to various things, the actual look of the trailer though was exactly the same as it was 8 years ago.
There is no defending it at this point, they are just that incompetent when it comes to making hd console games, the 8 year old trailer shows that. It's been 8 years now since they even started this thing considering we had a full hd trailer to go with it 8 years ago, 8 years down the line and all they have to show for it is another trailer that shows little increase in quality in the graphics department and then combat that could very likely be entirely different than what it showed.
keisuke999
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Like when you're single for a long time, then that cute girl/boy at the coffee shop winks at you... but then you look behind you and see it was for someone else...
Cloud Strife
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Glad I tempered my expectations, fuck hyping this immortal game.
It'll release by 2016.About 2.5 years into the generation.Then the sequels will follow.
They'll make them(trilogy or two games)by the end of this generation.what's not happening this gen is FF16.
There is no denying that game's taking too long but then again they shouldn't have shown it off when it was just a concept flying around in 2006.Things would be looked at as fairly normal if we first heard about this game in 2013.
if he was a doing a real life building by him self, he would have be done by now since 2006.
what a waste, incompetent developers and publisher. just over hyped names in the company with suits.
did you see the way they were walking down the stares ? i wanted to push them over >_>
Glass Rebel
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The Witcher 3 and Metal Gear Solid V have had lengthy gameplay demos, MGSV even with a playable prologue, and both studios have shown that they can release games in a reasonable timeframe. Meanwhile Square-Enix releases a 4min trailer with gameplay scenes that look like they need tons of work and goes quiet for over a year.
The argument that they need more time to make a good game might have held some weight had they made a good console Final Fantasy since XII. But they haven't. Their output has been a mess for the entire last gen, they moved a game to next-gen and still have barely anything to show for it. It's not exactly surprising why people aren't giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Fucking joke of a company.
The Witcher 3 is also nearing completion and has been shown off quite a bit.
Lets be real here - FFXV has taken so long because its been woefully mismanaged up to this point.
And you're saying that they are going to turn this into some trilogy again like with FFXIII? Cant they just wait and see if people actually want more of it first?
Chie Satonaka
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At this point, The Island of Snipers is significantly more real than this game is.
Interface23
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
A dev team could probably build a whole town in 8 years.
Not even a skilled, experienced construction crew but just game developers. With 8 years they would have enough time to learn.
There already confirmed sequels or at least a sequel at E3 2013.
Because they change platform !!!!???
They need more time to make ps4 level game
Just wait until E3
and TGS
Real answer
They need more time to make ps4 level game
Just wait until E3
2016 until they give more detail
2017 until they give proper release date in 2018.... Like december 2018
Real answer
maybe they try to surprise us by release it on both ps4/xone/ps3/x360 worldwide release date
I was in my 20s when it was announced and will probably be just into my 40s when it comes out. No joke. We're almost at the point where you could be unmarried and childless when the game was announced and then you could buy it on launch day for your kid, who would then play it to completion without assistance. That's how long this has been in development.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
At this point it's time to accept FF XV by itself is not the issue. It's that Square Enix is not a AAA title company anymore.
DaSorcerer7
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#Team2017
Antilurker77
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They did change FFXV's URL right before TGS started.
BELIEVE
for 4 new seconds of footage
vicissitudes
Banned
People keep saying it's because of mismanagement, or there are serious issues with its development, but is there any evidence of such? Sure, these are possible reasons, but it seems to be wild speculation based on nothing.
Look, the PS4 currently has an install base of 600k in Japan. We know FFXIII sold ~1.5m first week on an install base of ~4m PS3s, and this is still the lowest-selling mainline since FFVI. Given how much development FFXV has gone through (including moving platforms), it's very likely that it costs Square Enix more than FFXIII. But even for FFXV to sell on par with FFXIII, it still won't be coming for years.
Let me reiterate: even if FFXV is ready to ship this holiday season, Square Enix would never release it. It makes no business sense to do so. They would lose tons of money. It's not because management is stupid, or the game is in development hell.
Think about it: why is Square making and releasing games like Final Fantasy Type-0 HD and Dragon Quest Heroes for the PS4? And releasing them in 2015, EARLIER than FFXV? It's because these games don't cost as much, don't need to sell as much, and will help build the PS4 install base.
Is it possible for western sales to pick up the slack? Possible. But again, remember that FFXIII released at the end of 2009. Total PS3 and 360 sales were roughly 70m combined by then. Total PS4 and Xbone sales are currently ~15-16m. It'll still take multiple years for them to catch up.
Anyway, back to Japan. I had a much more detailed write-up with sales data about a year ago: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=698062. Here's the TLDR version:
The PS4 is currently selling below the PS3, launch-aligned. Things can change of course, but right now late 2016 looks like a reasonable time for release. This is speculation, but it's speculation based on extrapolating from past sales data. "Mismanagement" and "development hell" are speculation based on nothing.
Look, the PS4 currently has an install base of 600k in Japan. We know FFXIII sold ~1.5m first week on an install base of ~4m PS3s, and this is still the lowest-selling mainline since FFVI. Given how much development FFXV has gone through (including moving platforms), it's very likely that it costs Square Enix more than FFXIII. But even for FFXV to sell on par with FFXIII, it still won't be coming for years.
Let me reiterate: even if FFXV is ready to ship this holiday season, Square Enix would never release it. It makes no business sense to do so. They would lose tons of money. It's not because management is stupid, or the game is in development hell.
Think about it: why is Square making and releasing games like Final Fantasy Type-0 HD and Dragon Quest Heroes for the PS4? And releasing them in 2015, EARLIER than FFXV? It's because these games don't cost as much, don't need to sell as much, and will help build the PS4 install base.
Is it possible for western sales to pick up the slack? Possible. But again, remember that FFXIII released at the end of 2009. Total PS3 and 360 sales were roughly 70m combined by then. Total PS4 and Xbone sales are currently ~15-16m. It'll still take multiple years for them to catch up.
Anyway, back to Japan. I had a much more detailed write-up with sales data about a year ago: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=698062. Here's the TLDR version:
The PS4 is currently selling below the PS3, launch-aligned. Things can change of course, but right now late 2016 looks like a reasonable time for release. This is speculation, but it's speculation based on extrapolating from past sales data. "Mismanagement" and "development hell" are speculation based on nothing.
I think the observation is that if this game wasn't stuck in development hell, it would have been released on the PS3 many years ago.
LouisaFerre
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Real TGS is still two weeks away. You just to fucking believe man. YOU GOTTA FUCKING BELIEVE
I honestly don't know what's usual for SE since this is the first year I've tried to follow TGS as it happens. Do they usually show off big titles at Sony's conference or do they do it at their own thing during real TGS?
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