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Which Console is "Saved" More at E3: Vita or WiiU?
- Thread starter dude819
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All this being said, if the Vita 2000 launches at an attractive price point, I'll probably pick one up this holiday. Even if somehow it had no games coming out, there's enough of a backlog that I could be content with it for a couple years
TechnicDownfall512
Banned
And once again I must say, why do Wii U owners continue to dismiss the console by saying how horrible it is doing if they want nothing but good to happen to it?
It baffles me.
It baffles me.
To Far Away Times
Member
Nintendo cares about the Wii U and will support it with its biggest franchises from its best studios.
Sony, uh... well, they have released some software for the Vita, yes.
Sony, uh... well, they have released some software for the Vita, yes.
Don't fall for the moon's trap post
DrROBschiz
Member
Thats because its inaccurate
See this topic
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=734251&page=17
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Only 1 or 2 games a year? That's all you'd get for the Wii U if you had one?
For this calendar year I've already got DKC:TF, preordered MK8, and will get Smash Bros. when it's released. Then there's potentially Zelda U and anything else we don't know about yet releasing in the fall. This is on top of already owning SM3DW, Zelda:WWHD, Lego City, Pikmin 3, NSMBU + NSLU, ZombiU, MH3U, Wii Party U, and Nintendoland. This list also does not list include all the Virtual Console stuff or other downloadable games like NES Remix I have.
I realize that the PS4 and X1 are going to give us a deluge of product thanks to generous 3rd party support, but don't sleep on the Wii U. It already has a really solid library, and some of the best stuff is still yet to come.
TechnicDownfall512
Banned
No, but honestly, I really don't understand it at all. I seriously need some kind of answer for this.
I don't think it's dismissal as much as resignation. I love my Wii U but I'm not expecting a huge turnaround and for it to win the console race. For now, 3rd parties are avoiding it and we generally know what will happen. It feels similar to how people felt about the GameCube towards the end. We recognize it's shortcomings. That being said, most of the Wii U owners you see in here talking about how horrible is doing probably love it. The quality of games is fantastic
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
Just shows that Sony cares so little for the Vita that they discontinue one model months before the new model is expected to hit retail. For a lot of people, if they wanted to pick up a Vita now, they couldn't! And that has nothing to do with demand.
TechnicDownfall512
Banned
There are 2 games and 2 games alone I would want a WiiU for MK8 and Smash Bros. Marios and Zeldas bore me at this point. I'd probably wind up getting the 2D Marios but I would stop playing halfway through.
KnightHart
Member
At E3? The Wii U. But I don't think the Wii U needs saving, Nintendo needs to be saved from the Wii U.
The Vita doesn't need saving, but TGS is gonna be fun this year for Playstation owners, especially since we already known Falcom and NIS are making PS4 games. Funny this topic was brought up, since the localization release dates for Danganronpa 2 and Disgaea 4 R were recently leaked for September and August respectively, and Tales of Hearts R was confirmed for localization earlier today.
The Vita doesn't need saving, but TGS is gonna be fun this year for Playstation owners, especially since we already known Falcom and NIS are making PS4 games. Funny this topic was brought up, since the localization release dates for Danganronpa 2 and Disgaea 4 R were recently leaked for September and August respectively, and Tales of Hearts R was confirmed for localization earlier today.
What is the date for DanganRonpa?
DrROBschiz
Member
That goes with Natural Doctrine, Freedom Wars, SSD, Oreshika2, and so much more
Vita has a big year ahead of it. Dont even need E3
The Wii U is obviously not for you
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
But your main point seemed to be that Nintendo needs a strong home console presence to stay relevant which just isn't true. There was a whole decade (end of the SNES to the beginning of the Wii) where their home consoles were a distant second or third place and their portable division was what kept them relevant, both commercially and in the public eye.
KnightHart
Member
http://gematsu.com/2014/04/fairy-fencer-f-danganronpa-2-disgaea-4-vita-dated
September 2nd
God I forgot about those announcements. So much going on with the Vita this week. A lot of localizations announcements, probably the most I've ever seen all at once, and for the Vita amongst all other things. And I'm going to buy all of them. Still hyped for Demon Gaze next week as well.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
With titles like that, you're right; the Vita doesn't need saving. But I would just add that it doesn't need saving in Japan. Those titles aren't going to impress many people outside of Japan.
These count as big? Are you joking? Honestly confused.
LordOcidax
Member
Wii U is a zombie. And the Vita is head less zombie. So the Wii U.
KnightHart
Member
I think we'd need official numbers to disprove the idea a lot of consumers and developers/publishers have that Japanese handheld games don't sell on the 3DS/Vita. I don't think we ever got official numbers on Danganronpa from NISA, but holy shit I've never seen a NISA LE sell out so quickly The LE wasn't even anything great, in fact, it was really bad in comparison to especially Ys Tales of Celceta and Muramasa since they had LE's at the same price and those stomped Danganronpa's LE into the ground. If Vita gamers weren't buying these games though, we wouldn't be getting this hilariously large amount of localizations.
Basketball
Member
Vita ? yeah right
Wii U ? not unless they announce a major I mean major price cut . The people who will buy Mk8 and smash are people that already have the Wii U (which is not very much) and a few that know that these games are coming (here). Reddit will go nuts for a few days but i don't think typical consumers will bite.
for me personally im not really interested in a handheld and the Wii U's current price is too steep right especially with the content available and coming soon.
Wii U ? not unless they announce a major I mean major price cut . The people who will buy Mk8 and smash are people that already have the Wii U (which is not very much) and a few that know that these games are coming (here). Reddit will go nuts for a few days but i don't think typical consumers will bite.
for me personally im not really interested in a handheld and the Wii U's current price is too steep right especially with the content available and coming soon.
im still hoping vita will get one game announcement thats worthwhile and sony announcing the 2k model in white ;____; i feel like thats a dream though...
for wiiu, nintey still has a shot to go longer term. if they can knock the cost of the unit down, get games out that kids will want...
im not sure if wiiu will get any of that at e3, im counting on them just showing titles we know of with maybe two surprises. im thinking e3 for nintey will be about injecting life into the 3DS... its the biggest unknown for them between now and christmas. hold a price drop for wiiu, kart and smash are in the bucket. christmas is the only "unknown" for wiiu.
for wiiu, nintey still has a shot to go longer term. if they can knock the cost of the unit down, get games out that kids will want...
im not sure if wiiu will get any of that at e3, im counting on them just showing titles we know of with maybe two surprises. im thinking e3 for nintey will be about injecting life into the 3DS... its the biggest unknown for them between now and christmas. hold a price drop for wiiu, kart and smash are in the bucket. christmas is the only "unknown" for wiiu.
Ludicrous Speed
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They might be putting up decent numbers, but they're not the type of titles that will push people to go out and buy a Vita.
Well 2 of the games are for me but I won't buy it just for those (at least not at its current price).
If they announce some games that interest me and/or drop the price, maybe I will have one in June.
KnightHart
Member
Yeah. From the way things look, it seems like there aren't too many Vita gamers around, at least in NA, but they buy games like crazy. The Vita has no mainstream appeal, but to core gamers and gaming enthusiasts, it's almost like a dream come true, especially if you're into Japanese games.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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For the current Vita demographic in the West? Yes. Two Action/RPG Hunting games, a SRPG, and a very Japanese-esque turn-based RPG. Freedom Wars & Oreshika in particular look to have pretty big budgets for portable games.
For the type of person who doesn't own a Vita and needs a reason to pick one up? No, these don't count as big at all.
DrROBschiz
Member
Freedom Wars has some potential.
8 player 3rd person shooter/rpg/action game?
Ok its still very Japanese but damn does it look awesome
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Actually considering the 3 announcements for the Vita recently Freedom Wars, Soul Sacrifice Delta, Oreshika 2 Id say the Vita might do a little bit better. If that freedom wars 30 bucks price is correct too, thats pretty big also.
Actually to correct what you said about player count its
co-op 4 players + AI partners one per person (4 + 4 characters)
head 2 head = 8 players no AI partners.
I blame the incorrect description that came out with the initial announcement. As it does not clarify thats what the difference between the player numbers are for co-op vs. H2H
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Yeah, out of the Vita's entire upcoming lineup in the West, Freedom Wars has the best chance of breaking out of the Vita's typical niche and becoming a more mainstream success if properly marketed. Which of course, it won't be, so it's a moot point.
DrROBschiz
Member
I thought we were talking about if E3 will help these consoles to gain momentum. A few titles, not even many Gaffers know about, don't seem to be relevant for the discussion at hand.
Are you honestly suggesting Vita is a success? Or is this performance art?
Both companies consider them a failure.
And at least I got what I was promised on the Wii U.
Goldenmoney
Member
Can we rename these consoles to Frick and Frack?
I don't entirely agree with this. Mario Kart Wii sold over 35 million copies. That is a pretty epic number, and still more than 4 times what the Wii U has currently sold. While I don't think for a second that everyone who bought MK Wii will go out and grab a Wii U to play it again, I think it's fair to say that there's a couple million people out there who will purchase a Wii U to play the new version (assuming Nintendo does their job and makes everyone aware that the new game exists).
Uh ... well, you are pretty bad informed. Just have a stroll here and on wikipedia and you will be surprised.
Slappers Only
Junior Member
We already know that the (admittedly small) Vita player base is very serious about buying games.
So they should announce... games?
So they should announce... games?
I'm not doubting this, but in general, do we have WW software attachment ratios for the Vita, 3DS, and Wii U? (just for kicks)
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Not sure what you're waiting for exactly. A new Starfox or F-Zero? Pokemon U? Metroid U? I hope you aren't waiting for a new Nintendo IP.
The current Wii U library is relatively representative of what it'll offer going forward. If there are only 2 titles you're interested in (both of which haven't even released yet), then it probably isn't worth buying the Wii U at any price. Personally, I think the existing library is great, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.
LithiumSpade
Member
Yeah, I appreciate that these are quality games, but they're not even really of interest to me (and I love my Vita). They also wouldn't have any hope at mass-market appeal, sadly. Probably will get Freedom Wars as that does look interesting.
If I was Sony, i'd go for the two-pronged approach at E3 with the Vita. So you show the PS4 stuff, then you come on to the handheld.
NOTE: This is not a "dream" conference, i'm restricting myself to what Sony could realistically demonstrate based on what they could sort out between now & E3, for as little extra investment as possible. First you go for the casual;
- Minecraft bundle, with Special Edition version of the console, 8gb memory card, $179.99/£149.99, launching next week.
- GTA Classic Trilogy; 3/Vice City/San Andreas ports of the HD Android versions, coming soon, physical controls.
- Throw a logo for a new Killzone up, Guerilla Cambridge using the same engine, no footage. Don't actually start production on this game unless the team is sitting around doing nothing; wait to see if the rest of it pays off.
- Launch an advert concurrent with E3, showing PS4 game sizzle reel, then to the same thing on remote play on a Vita. Might be misleading, but a sale to a person who doesn't understand quite how to achieve what they've seen on TV is still technically a sale!
Then, do a gamers bit.
- Gravity Rush 2 footage
- Freedom Wars, other misc titles.
- Indie sizzle reel
- All PS1/PSP titles on PSN now available on the Vita
- Playstation Now coming to Vita Fall 2014
I'd like to chuck a mem card price cut somewhere in here but I have a feeling their ludicrous prices are helping keep the system profitable and retailers on side, so its unrealistic in my view.
I reckon you could do all this, in 15-20 minutes, without having to direct any real funds towards the vita (in case it fails), therefore making it a risk-free strategy with the best possible chance of changing its fortunes in North America.
Thoughts?
jimmypython
Member
At least there are games being announced for Vita and the console is selling ok in Japan
Unfortunately, I am probably waiting for a new IP or a third party exclusive of some kind. I know Nintendo does not usually do new IP but it'd be nice.
not going to happen. Only games coming to vita here on out are indies and japanese focused games.
Oh, you can see the future? Please enlighten me.
LithiumSpade
Member
I'm well aware it won't happen - the question is why not? Low cost, risk free strategy. If it doesn't work out, no harm done, we tried, back to the localisations and indies. As i've said before, I don't even mind that. My vita long ago justified its
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