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Whistleblower: The NSA is LyingU.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails
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elrechazado
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How does this even make sense to you? To the extent that people want an "open internet" it certainly does not follow that people want government agents to used advanced technology to hack into your personal and private items that happen to reside on the internet in some form.
Yeah, that why I'm not freaking out about this yet. If they're saying they have a copy of EVERYONE'S email that would mean every huge and small corporations is colluding with the government or there are very serious security vulnerabilities that are being exploited by the government. I have no doubt that they can hack into anyone if they target them but this is widespread routine cracking that has to be the result of a serious flaw in everyone's security everywhere.
This may just be a guy that went off the deep end and got arrested for stealing some actual sensitive material when the actual content here is BS.
EYEL1NER
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Shit, I don't even know. I'm looking for work right now and we're both stressed and have been having arguments lately.
She's actually back home right now. I'm laying in bed next to my two-year-old at the moment.
I don't know what's going on. I don't know anything anymore.
Well, they know how much porn we watch everyday. I'll just say Big brother is the friendliest brother.
Well, that good that she's back home now at least. Hopefully just a temporary freak out and you guys can work it out when you talk in the morning. I'm sure that kind of stress can make things appear a lot worse than they are and make people blow things way up and then when they cool down they realize it wasn't such a big deal after all. If she's home, at least that means she's not dead set on leaving right now.
You ever gotten a link to a porn you don't remember sending to yourself? Probably some cool cat over at the NSA who found a good one and wanted to share.
Is The New Yorker not a good enough source for you as well? Did you read the NewYorker article?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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New Yorker article just repeats his tinfoil claims. New Yorker also did a really awful article about firearms recently this misstated basic history and the constitution, so I'm having trouble giving them a ton of credit anyway.
Except, The New Yorker reported it a year earlier.
Tin Foil claims? They were staunch republicans, and for the case of Thomas Drake was being indicted by the state (if convicted would have resulted in 35 years in prison), only to have the charges dropped after 60 minutes ran a episode on his case.
These were senior members of the NSA, I would think what they have to say, no matter who is reporting, is important.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Bitter ex employees with tin foil claims.
No but it'll certainly lead to a breakthrough on cracking the privacy of citizens.
SuicideUZI
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Don't most email providers use encryption? Or is that just something trivial that the government can easily decrypt
elrechazado
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NSA can probably break hotmail's shit. Just a wild ass guess here.
Is that what you call all whistle blowers?
Edited: provided wrong link.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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You linked to an opinion piece.
I know, I edited my post. Initially, I provided the wrong link. I had links from the NY Times, Salon, Wired, Baltimore Sun. However, you will discredited whatever I provide.
So I decided I would save my self the headache.
Typographenia
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I hope they have more fun reading them than I do. If it's not too much trouble, could you guys categorize all my emails for me too?
It would be for stuff like searching them for keywords...bomb, jihad, assassination, that kind of stuff...and suspicious contacts, etc. Plus things like, let's say they never suspected you of anything and then one day you show up on a watch list, they could then go over all of your old correspondence with a fine tooth comb and gather evidence to bust you with and you don't have to actually be guilty of anything and no warrant needed.
The implications of this are not good if it bears out under scrutiny.
I mean realistically if they have everything, you could make a joke about a bomb in an email to a friend and show up on a watch list and your life could be picked over from first to last electronic correspondence from the time the system went up to when you die.
That's if it's true of course.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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If it can't stand up, then it can't stand up.
If the source of the articles are what you claim to be "Bitter ex employees with tin foil claims".
There is not much I can do, is there?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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By that logic all the police who investigate child porn are guilty of possessing child porn after downloading it to their work stations to investigate.
A few years ago Bob Woodward wrote an article about some sort of government effort with the same level of secrecy as the Manhattan Project that existed to fight terrorism or whatever. I think it's an AI. Maybe not sentient, but close enough to be able to reason, extrapolate, and make the sorts of judgements when sifting through data that a regular computer cannot do.. We see these stories of massive data collection being undertaken. The infamous NSA closet in AT&T's office in San Francisco. Echelon. Stories like Frontline's "Top Secret America" that really put a light on how massively the intelligence gathering business has grown since 9/11. Massive, anonymous office complexes around the country. Some of them going far underground. So yeah, it's very plain and clear that we're collecting an incredible amount of data. But even teams of well coordinated people can't begin to scratch the surface of it all, let alone put two pieces of seemingly random data, gathered from different sources on different days, from opposite ends of the world, into the same context. Then draw a link between them, then to a third piece of data, until a thread forms. But an AI, a real one, could do that.
Then they'll just assume you're a terrorist.
oh you.gif.
but seriously, Obama never challenged even a quarter of the things Bush put into play. Particularly thing not addressed specifically in his campaign. So all those evil bogeymen are still out there, and unless we press the President to stop them, they'll follow their previous orders. The war on drugs carries on as if nothing has ever changed, so why would Homeland security's anti-terror plans change? Security and all that.
Vicetrailia
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Why need privacy if you don't do anything wrong?
Don't do crime and it wont be a problem, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Now companies need security software that stops the government from obtaining their sensitive information. It'll be huge!
Don't do crime and it wont be a problem, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Now companies need security software that stops the government from obtaining their sensitive information. It'll be huge!
Deified Data
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Yeah, no biggie - not sure what everyone's so pissed off about!
Bay Maximus
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It is against the law to just look at citizens records and information without a warrant. Also, do people really think they are so important that the government is spying on them and whatever personal bullshit they have going on in their lives?
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