Really cool ideas. Though I doubt NFL coaching staffs are going to let their playcalls be made public right after the play is finished. It might put them in a strategic disadvantage.
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Why are people down on Smart Glass?
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Really cool ideas. Though I doubt NFL coaching staffs are going to let their playcalls be made public right after the play is finished. It might put them in a strategic disadvantage.
To be honest, I really only hate how they sold the thing. Right off the bat they spin it not simply as a way to augment games, but so your tablet and phones don't have to lay idle while you play your games, as if you absolutely had to make use of all gadgets all the time, made worse because it honestly does seem as if a lot of people may feel that way with how much they play with their phones. Torn from that presentation and looked at objectively however it's just fine: you can look up information on TV shows if you happened to accidentally lose track of something, get confused, or wanted a refresher on each character was one that may not have stuck out much in your mind suddenly did something noteworthy (or you took a hiatus from a serial series and need a refresher), and similar applies to games along with the potential touch pad options that might be really good for some games, like inventory management in an RPG.
Some might also be angry about imitating Wii U, but this is undoubtedly scaled back from what that could do, but retains some of the core aspects of why that tablet control could prove to be very useful.
EDIT: Oh, looking over prior posts shows me one person better hit why it bothered me:
tinfoilhatman
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Your not core enough ;-)
Having a tablet next to you with inventory ect on it which you have to put your controller down to use is far more clunky. Its also not capable of doing a lot of the things you can do with the WiiU controller, like rendering different views of the game on the controller.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I understand the cool things that it could do with sports, but, as a nerd, I don't like sports.
I think any attempt to use it as a replacement for the WiiU controller in a WiiU port will lead to a poor experience. On one side you have a controller with sticks, buttons and touch screen all in one, everything accessible at the same time. On the other side you have a controller with sticks and buttons AND another separate touch screen controller with no buttons/sticks, you need to put one down to access the other. Maybe if you sit there holding your controller with the tablet on your knees and use your chin to access the touch screen you can make it work in a similar way, but it wouldn't work well
Smart Glass is useful for some of the social aspects that WiiU can bring, and in a limited way for gaming (making it easier to enter custom stuff info the game like plays in an American Football game or drawing stuff ect) but not for most aspects of gaming IMO.That was the Waypoint stuff right? I was more thinking of some actual use of the SmartGlass that is bound to the game. Like what the Wii-U is trying to do with inventories/maps etc. The YouTube link earlier shows some map usage, which is pretty cool. Makes me think of WoW and having a Raid Guide to help people through encounters.
I thought the feature to display info about the actors on the screen was pretty neat. My girl and I are constantly on our phones/tablets checking IMDB on lazy movie days. Considered making a thread about smart glass, actually. The trackpad feature is nice too, especially for web browsing on IE (not that I'm likely to use the browser).
I already prefer watching HBO shows in a similar manner (HBO Go). If I could watch the show on my TV and get the sidebar features on my tablet/phone that would be ace
I already prefer watching HBO shows in a similar manner (HBO Go). If I could watch the show on my TV and get the sidebar features on my tablet/phone that would be ace
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Peter M. is also the same guy saying traditional methods of gaming are boring and that he could never again develop a game using such method and that kinect is the future and what gamers really want in games....
MisterHero
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The support will be there but MS will have to pay for it.
After what they showed for Kinect I doubt anyone really wants to develop for it in the longrun, as a secondary game device. Why did it have to have the Xbox brand again?
After what they showed for Kinect I doubt anyone really wants to develop for it in the longrun, as a secondary game device. Why did it have to have the Xbox brand again?
YES!
This smartglass took up most of there conference they did not show any new franchises that interest me. The tech looks cool but I would not use it in anyway to control my games just give me my controller with buttons and analog sticks I can feel.
E3 is suppose to be the biggest gaming conference in the industry and Microsoft is changing that. They even threw in at the end of the conference some crap about Windows 8 I don't care. Also if I want to go on the internet I will go on my computer.
It can't be a real substitute though and any attempt to use it like that will lead to a poor experience. You have a controller with sticks, buttons and touch screen in one vs a controller with sticks and buttons AND another separate touch screen controller with no buttons/sticks. Maybe if you sit there holding your controller with the tablet on your knees and use your chin to access the touch screen you can make it work in a similar way, but you'd look like a right idiot
Also how would developers handle that SG runs on smart phones as well as tablets. The size of smartphone displays are going to be smaller in size than a tablet. So either the devs have to shrink down the touch interface to fit on a phone. Or disable the use of phones and only support tablets ( who's displays sizes vary as well. ). Am I over-thinking this?
Maybe it sets up the software platform the for Xbox 720, but I am not sure it will be extremely useful for WiiU-> 360 ports.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the Electronic Entertainment Expo, not the Gaming Expo. There are lots of non-video game forms of electronic entertainment, no?
you're over thinking it. resolution matters more than display size. developers similarly dont care if you play on a 15" LCD or 60"
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Deleted member 47027
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You're not wrong, and people forget the fuck out of this.
Then what does intrest you? I hear this complaint and people never say exactly what it is they're looking for.
I see plenty of games for this year for the 360 that I'm interested in getting both first and third party.
Not sure what you mean by this. They demonstrated a 3rd person game which on the smart glass phone was rendered as an overhead live map. While that's a boring example, how is it different than rendering any other different view?
brooklyniteOne
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If it lets me get to, browse, and operate HBO Go without a controller I am all for it. Bring it on.
I was listening to the Joystiq podcast over the weekend, and they did this fun little Q&A where a couple of the team who had never been to E3 asked one of the older writers questions on what to expect. One of the topics they touched on was all the non video game stuff that never makes it to the site, and just how much of it there was. I'd really like to see more of the off-the-wall peripherals and other stuff that is on offer there. Where can one find this stuff?Engadget? Gizmodo?
The Albatross
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I think that project Smart Glass looks awesome. It's the only addition to the 360 that I'm interested in. I doubt it'll launch with great awesome features, but at least MS is being honest about it... In the Verge interview, the guy did not say it had anything that it won't have, unlike when Kinect/Natal was revealed and it promised all of this stuff that was never ever feasible.
E3 is all about the games or interactive entertainment that is why it is dominated by Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo.
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Of All Trades
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According to Engadget's time stamps Smart Glass took up 15 minutes of the ~two hours.
I'm curious why anyone would think that Smart Glass is meant to perform primary gaming tasks when almost everything about it would imply secondary tasks, like a map, server browser, clan/team chat window, or fluff (like in AC2 with the history of landmarks) due to the cross-platform compatibility.
I'd also like to live in this magic world where everything I watch is Game of Thrones-quality TV, and I'm never forced to watch Criminal Minds, Real Housewives of <City>, or any other show/movie that doesn't need my undivided attention yet still requires some attention so that I can interact with my partner.
I don't know if E3 still has this but articles used to pop up about a week after the show covering the "Kentia Hall", which was the dumping ground for vendors with few funds (and where a lot of meetings would be held). Mostly it would be companies that do packaging or disc pressing or whatnot but you'd also get some really baffling stuff like obviously misguided stabs at VR or, my personal all-time favorite memory, a hunting game with a plastic rifle (this is before these were common) that had a d-pad for walking around as you hunted violent animals in a Build engine level. Eagles would attack your face in waves.
I want to see games esspecially new franchises geared towards the hardcore gamer. I don't care as much about the gimmicks (smartglass) type stuff although it may be cool I want more games.
Also I don't want a new halo or call of duty every year as much as I love these games I would like to see some new franchises.
I'm not excited but i'm most certainly not down on it.
As a sports gamer. I'd welcome a tablet in my lap that I could make subs on, change formations, call for highly specific off ball runs/cuts, and set other team strategy settings.
These are things that require me to pause the game and dig through menus or use some kind of uncomfortable/inefficient control scheme to use.
As a sports gamer. I'd welcome a tablet in my lap that I could make subs on, change formations, call for highly specific off ball runs/cuts, and set other team strategy settings.
These are things that require me to pause the game and dig through menus or use some kind of uncomfortable/inefficient control scheme to use.
Gorki247
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Serious question. Why do people think that something like Rayman WiiU would not be possible on Smartglass?
MS have already shown off a similar concept using Kinect Adventures and WP7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJOeqir56I
The user on the phone can see the game as it appears on the TV and interact with it, helping or hindering the main player.
MS have already shown off a similar concept using Kinect Adventures and WP7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJOeqir56I
The user on the phone can see the game as it appears on the TV and interact with it, helping or hindering the main player.
Maybe its down to the fact "If SmartGlass can do that, it makes the Wii-U seem slightly redundant." Don't discount MS. They keep coming up with crazy stuff and they have enough cash to pump into it to make it work. Kinect is the prime example. While not massive, it made them some solid money. SmartGlass is a free App, so how that pans out will be interesting.
See what you wrote there? That's in addition to games. K thanx bye.
tinfoilhatman
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Not quite the same to me, most people already have a device that works with SG, they don't have to go out and buy anything extra.
Heh, good point.
I am excited for the potential. I can see a company like Bethesda outputting an update for smart glass and Skyrim ..
Say on your tablet or phone you have the map of Skyim.. without having to open the menu you could tap anywhere on it to fast travel and it just goes.. There is something very cool to having your device in real time interact with the game. Is it essential? Hell no... but potentially very cool!
Best part about it is that it requires nothing new to buy so I am all for devs being creative with it.
Say on your tablet or phone you have the map of Skyim.. without having to open the menu you could tap anywhere on it to fast travel and it just goes.. There is something very cool to having your device in real time interact with the game. Is it essential? Hell no... but potentially very cool!
Best part about it is that it requires nothing new to buy so I am all for devs being creative with it.
Phonomezer
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It has potential to be massive. I guess this, like Kinect, is another concept that is being tested for next-gen on the 360.
MrNyarlathotep
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I fully expect SmartGlass to require Xbox Live Gold just because.
Taken from wikipedia:
The phrase interactive entertainment[1] also known as video games refers to the business of producing and distributing products and services, or the products and services, of which the entertainment value (or outcomes) can be influenced by users through direct feedback.
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The verge also put up a better demo.... http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/7/3069364/xbox-360-ie9-smartglass-video-preview-e3
In this one you get a much better sense of how the interaction happens and the guy demoing had alot more knowledge about how it will work and what kind of things they are planning.... also interesting to show how the app scaled down between tablet and phone and how they can customize the experience for phone and tablet separately.
I know this won't happen with launch but I would be excited if there was a remoteplay like feature to it (but instead of needing vita+ps3 it would be my phone/tablet). Where we could do "boring" things remotely in a mobile experience and have that transfer back to the real game..... getting gold in fable, scanning planets in mass effect, customizing cars in forza, etc. Take the things out of games that make them mundane and let me do it from my phone/tablet and when I am away from my house.
In this one you get a much better sense of how the interaction happens and the guy demoing had alot more knowledge about how it will work and what kind of things they are planning.... also interesting to show how the app scaled down between tablet and phone and how they can customize the experience for phone and tablet separately.
I know this won't happen with launch but I would be excited if there was a remoteplay like feature to it (but instead of needing vita+ps3 it would be my phone/tablet). Where we could do "boring" things remotely in a mobile experience and have that transfer back to the real game..... getting gold in fable, scanning planets in mass effect, customizing cars in forza, etc. Take the things out of games that make them mundane and let me do it from my phone/tablet and when I am away from my house.
A 15" screen is one thing, a 3" or 4" screen is another. Designing a game on that kind of screen requires certain concessions or they can become unusable. Say you put a map and various overlays on the tablet. Those might be perfectly accessible on a 10" screen and maybe even a 7", but take it down to 3" or so and things will get very cluttered/compressed. Perhaps they could make it configurable so you can choose what's on the second screen to avoid this kind of thing, but its not ideal having so many varying screen sizes.
Are you talking about the game in this video?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/7/3069364/xbox-360-ie9-smartglass-video-preview-e3
Because that's just a simple 2D map of the dungeon that's been downloaded onto the phone with the players position being updated every second or so. What I'm talking about is the ability to show a different full detail 3D view of a game your playing on the console at 30/60fps.
Gorki247
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There is a delay on Wi-Fi with TCP/IP overhead. Wii U is using multiple streaming technologies to do it lag-free at 60hz (or 30hz with 2 tablets).
I don't understand why people aren't more crazy about this as an accessory, as a way of interacting with other media, hell as a way of accessing the browser?
They are cross platform, cross technology just awesome and if they get it right they would be able to use it as a real interactive platform...sounds freaking awesome...
They are cross platform, cross technology just awesome and if they get it right they would be able to use it as a real interactive platform...sounds freaking awesome...
SeaOfMadness
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Here's another hands on video with a bit more info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-kzJV9MxWYs#
Another thing to think about: The person using the SG device doesn't have to be the same as the person playing on the console. You could have your friend playing along with you helping you in god knows how many ways depending on the game.
Also: Who said the device had to be in the same room, city, country as the person playing on the console? Imagine playing alongside a family member or friend remotely. You don't necessarily need to see what's on the console screen. Think about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-kzJV9MxWYs#
Another thing to think about: The person using the SG device doesn't have to be the same as the person playing on the console. You could have your friend playing along with you helping you in god knows how many ways depending on the game.
Also: Who said the device had to be in the same room, city, country as the person playing on the console? Imagine playing alongside a family member or friend remotely. You don't necessarily need to see what's on the console screen. Think about it.
Don't know if many of you guys are Disney fans, but Disney's already started doing this with their Blu-rays with a feature called "Second Screen". I tried it and it's dumb as hell. You can't concentrate on the movie at all. I can't see this being interesting to anyone other than people who have ADD.
But yeah people calling this innovative, it isn't.
But yeah people calling this innovative, it isn't.
HyperCubed4
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I'm not down on the idea, but if they start skimping out on some parts of the game because using a tablet/smartphone/toaster will give the best experience, I'm going to flip my lid. I don't want to have to use my smartphone to get the most out of a game. I want to sit down and play my game, with everything there, IN MY CONSOLE.
I can see how it could work. I just don't see the need to hook up every single device with a screen to my 360. If my 360 comes alive and tries to kill me, it will have friends. I don't want to take that chance. In all seriousness, hooking up my tablet, smartphone, laptop, computer and other appliances to my 360 seems utterly pointless.
I can see how it could work. I just don't see the need to hook up every single device with a screen to my 360. If my 360 comes alive and tries to kill me, it will have friends. I don't want to take that chance. In all seriousness, hooking up my tablet, smartphone, laptop, computer and other appliances to my 360 seems utterly pointless.
Kinda wish I had smartglass in lost oddesey for all the onscreen text. Or even for something like mass effect 1 or skyrim for inventory management.
for non-gaming, it a lot easier for me to type on a tablet than it is on an onscreen keyboard. So I am optimistic.
Don't really understand the neogaf hate, I think it has potential.
for non-gaming, it a lot easier for me to type on a tablet than it is on an onscreen keyboard. So I am optimistic.
Don't really understand the neogaf hate, I think it has potential.