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Why aren't PlayStation games successful on PC?
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Vick
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Well, I still don't think they are.
Keep in mind I'm one of those considering 10M for TLOU Part II a colossal flop, because making profit doesn't equate being successful.
Wouldn't you agree the games should ideally sell much, much, much more than a little fraction of what they do on platforms with a smaller userbase? Considering especially they're costing PlayStation the only element that saved them during the 360 era, and huge portion of what make Nintendo as successful?
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Little Mac
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Keep the games exclusive. Instead of wasting development time and resources on ports, focus on creating more exclusive, high quality content that give gamers an overwhelming desire to own a PS5.
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MAX PAYMENT
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Wow at the very biased poll options.
Maybe if sony wouldn't fuck up their pc ports, people would buy them.
I also think the quality of Sony games this gen are extremely inflated.
Maybe if sony wouldn't fuck up their pc ports, people would buy them.
I also think the quality of Sony games this gen are extremely inflated.
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Lumpyoatmeal
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Gears 5 ran well, but the real issue was the skillcap for me in the multiplayer; Gears 4 was so much more competitive (the pro scene in this was criminally underrated). Singleplayer experience for both titles I wouldn’t know I have no interest in playing them.Some of them maybe, Naughty Dog in particular however have been a complete shitshow on PC and the efforts to port their Engine on PC has been all but minimal. It effectly impacted their future approach on game development as a whole as well.
Flagship First-Party Naughty Dog Will Develop for PS5 and PC Moving Forwards
One of these things is not like the otherwww.pushsquare.com
And for what, less than 500k copies and unlimited amount of memes/mocking all over the web?
This doesn't exactly seem to be the case though:
Are these PC ports by the competition orders of magnitude worse than the PS ones? Wasn't Gears 5 considered by DF as "One Of The All-Time Greatest PC Ports"?
According to Steam, when it comes to third person single player games, your statement "SHITTONS of games with 80-90% range of user reviews" doesn't really seem accurate. Looks like a really small percentage.
Senua
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The recent leaks just confirm what anyone who isn't a tit has been saying since day dot. It's very easy money with basically no drawbacks. They get a very loud backlash from a tiny minority of brand zealots who Sony doesn't actually give a fuck about and their profits continue to climb.
Only forum dwellers are insulted by the sales numbers, daddy Sony just see dollar signs
Only forum dwellers are insulted by the sales numbers, daddy Sony just see dollar signs
winjer
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Whether you like it or not, the main metric for success for a product, is profit.
Of course a port of a port of a 3 year old game is never going to sell as many copies, as the original on the Playstation.
But when all it takes is a couple million dollars, to make more than 50 million in profits, then it's well worth the effort.
Such a return on investment is huge. And this is why Sony is doubling down on this strategy.
Just consider Callisto Protocol. A game that sold over 2 million units, more than some of these PS ports. But it cost 160 million dollars to make.
So it was a huge failure. Because profit is king.
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tommib
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Those are all excellent games.
Go play your scavenger Lethal Company, Apex Legends, Ready or Not and all the other free to play paraphernalia while you wait for the next Sony port you don’t want.
Mister Wolf
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Or I can just play Warhammer Rogue Trader like I've been doing this past week.
Senua
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You know it's all subjective right? So your high horse viewpoint just makes ya look like a bit of a wanker.
tommib
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Love wanking, man. There’s nothing subjective about my top-tier wanking.
Guilty_AI
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Deep Rock Galactic > Risk of Rain 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Returnal
Zathalus
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Literally the only people salty about this are PlayStation warriors who are mad PC gamers can play the games as well.
Smart PlayStation gamers realize that Sony making an extra billion dollars over a console generation means more money for Sony to invest into PlayStation, making it a better platform.
Smart PlayStation gamers realize that Sony making an extra billion dollars over a console generation means more money for Sony to invest into PlayStation, making it a better platform.
Topher
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Kenpachii
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The recent leaks painted a pretty underwelming picture for an initiative many would have considered, just a few years ago, impossibile, and that unquestionably transformed PlayStation as a brand to the eyes of many gamers.
It wouldn't be appropriate to call all of these releases flops, but I believe it would be fair to conclude most underperformed compared to expectations.
What would you identify as the main culprit behind these games not being nearly as successful as they were on PlayStation platforms? By far the most shared opinion in the other Thread was that those kind of games are overrated by PS fans and therefore not appreaciated by the more objective PC users, which is however something the slightest scrutiny reveals as pure platform warring of the lowest order:
As the games are very obviously appreciated by the audience, despite usually being underwhelming ports. What is the reason then?
Is it the full price? Is it the games being "old"? Is it the amount of piracy due to no DRM? The game requirements not meeting a considerable portion of the audience? An actual bias against PlayStation rooted in some PC gamers even?
On this last point, let's try to make sense of it all without falling into cheap warring.
1) to expensive.
2) no marketing.
3) way late to the party.
4) not the type of games pc gamers play in general.
5) underwhelming launches with many problems.
6) high requirement spec games.
U like any of these games or have interest in them u probably already own a playstation 5 and played them.
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tommib
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Omg amazing. Such own. >>>>>!!!!!>>>>> zzzzzzz.
Get away from me with that tasteless disgusting art direction, by the way.
Senua
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Topher
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Pretty much. Don't cut your nose to spite your face. PS on PC is good for PS.
Zathalus
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No resources or development time is being wasted on ports going forward. Sony bought a top tier porting studio that is going to do the porting work for them, so the main studios just have to worry about developing the games.Keep the games exclusive. Instead of wasting development time and resources on ports, focus on creating more exclusive, high quality content that give gamers an overwhelming desire to own a PS5.
Since the porting costs are so low, the ROI is extremely high allowing Sony to invest that money directly into creating more games. Which is what Sony gamers such as yourself want isn't it?
tommib
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By the way, we knew what you thought about Returnal even before it came out:
Your Returnal hate-boner is infamous around the block.
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ClosBSAS
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We dont really care for shit games like last of us and uncharted. Give us the triple a shit. Demons souls, ff16, spidernoob...wither way, the success is there.
This is what ppl in a gaming forum fail to realize. 2 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, to port the game, NOTHING! Moat of them are profitable already with some exceptions like returnal and ratchet and blank.
This is what ppl in a gaming forum fail to realize. 2 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, to port the game, NOTHING! Moat of them are profitable already with some exceptions like returnal and ratchet and blank.
Guilty_AI
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And lo and behold, i was correct.By the way, we knew what you thought about Returnal even before it came out:
Senua
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You think returnal looks next gen? Play Alan Wake 2, Avatar or something my manBy the way, we knew what you thought about Returnal even before it came out:
You Returnal hate-boner is infamous around the block.
tommib
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???
Read the screenshot again. I know it’s hard to read, but you can do it. I have faith.
Vick
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I see your point, just let's not pretend this is "my" point of view now.
Why So Many PlayStation Games Struggle When Ported to PC
Despite being some of the most critically-acclaimed console games of all time, some PlayStation exclusives just aren't a hit when they come to PC.
gamerant.com
It's a widespread opinion these ports sales considered underwhelming.
But sure, they unquestionably bring some bucks of profit still.
Or:
There's actually a different kind of consequences directly impacting the software.
Again, good for Sony maybe (not even sure all things considered), for sure not for PS hardware owners deprived of complete closed architecture optimization/devotion.
But I'm sure some will find a way to disprove exclusive optimization have been a thing for decades.
NeverYouMind
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Senua
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What else am I meant to take, wtf is next gen "feel"
tommib
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I didn’t write that. I was exposing some people’s hate boner for my baby Returnal which is god’s greatest gift to humanity.
Senua
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Ok I mistook the context, my bad. I don't know what next gen feel is either lol.
Guilty_AI
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I don't hate it, among the ps releases on PC its still among the few ones i'd buy.
But you have another thing coming if you think i'll worship this game as the second coming of christ. OR that i'll buy it at such a high price when there are other games which i'd find equally or more amusing.
Vick
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Haptics™ and Adaptive Triggers™ obviously.
And 60fps. Something PC gamers only had access to for the last 3+ whole generations..
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Guilty_AI
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Some context
tommib
conveniently left out.
So yeah, i was just going along what whatever who i was answering was saying. If none of the games he mentioned 'felt' next-gen, i don't see why it would be different from Returnal.
Unless this is some Haptics™ and Adaptive Triggers™ argument, in which cause i could only answer by rolling on the floor laughing.
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tommib
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I’ll agree with this. At the time, having a third person shooter with that particle orgy and fluid simulations at 60 fps was new (for a console). Also, 0 loading times.Haptics™ and Adaptive Triggers™ obviously.
And 60fps. Something PC gamers only had access for the last 3+ generations..
Topher
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I haven't seen PC ports have any affect on PS games so far in that respect. I think this may be a reason why Sony doesn't release day one on PC. PS hardware is priority. And although I'm first and foremost a PC gamer, I can understand that being important for PS owners. And yeah, that first party optimization is a real thing, but as long as Sony's first party studios are free to focus on PS hardware and ports are handed off, I think ultimately this is a good thing for PS. I understand your concern though.
Zathalus
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I would have agreed with this in the past but Sony uses a standard x86 CPU and AMD GPU now. There is no more bespoke hardware to customize for, the only thing left is the I/O stack and that can be replicated on the PC side by just using the GPU to brute force it. Even the APIs are getting similar, with all of them having low level hardware access.
Nixxes is handling all the porting going forward so there is very little burden on the developers themselves as well.
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Senua
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There's a thread about it right here which is strangely (lol) very inactive
Business - Game Dev - [LEAK] PlayStation Games PC Port Budgets Revealed! Spider-Man 2 PC Port to Release in 2024
PC Ports budgets (as of Feb 2023): Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart PC Port: $2.5 million FY21: $0.1 million FY22: $0.9 million FY23: $1.6 million Spider-Man Remastered PC Port: $2.3 million FY21: $0.4 million FY22: $1.9 million FY23: $0.0 million. Spider-Man Miles Morales PC Port: $1.5 million...
winjer
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I see your point, just let's not pretend this is "my" point of view now.
Why So Many PlayStation Games Struggle When Ported to PC
Despite being some of the most critically-acclaimed console games of all time, some PlayStation exclusives just aren't a hit when they come to PC.
I'm not saying this is your new point of view. I'm saying your original statement is wrong.
And a click bait article is not going to change the fact that the ROI is huge on most of these Sony ports.
Profit is the key metric, and in this regard, most of these Sony ports were a success.
Guilty_AI
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You love me that much?Later tonight I’ll a make a spreadsheet with all your hate boner Returnal posts going back to its reveal. Prepare your troops.
Sorry but i can't accept your feelings. Promised myself i wouldn't date stalkers anymore.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Sony’s not stopping, so they’re obviously happy with what they’re seeing.
All of the Spiderman games are coming as well as Wolverine too. Spiderman 3 actually looks like it could be day and date or shortly after.
That’s very unsettling for certain usual suspects whose identities are built around which plastic box they own.
All of the Spiderman games are coming as well as Wolverine too. Spiderman 3 actually looks like it could be day and date or shortly after.
That’s very unsettling for certain usual suspects whose identities are built around which plastic box they own.
The vast majority of people who really want to play these games have a PS5 already. Also, PC gamers are known to be “frugal” when it comes to paying full price for games that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make. Maybe there’s not a lot of money left over after buying a 4090.
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