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Why do you dislike Hilary Clinton?

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This sums up why I don't like her.

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Reluctantly voting for her.

Can someone explain what she's doing here? Save us any snarky or witty comment.
 

Leunam

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Haha, I laugh every time I see this.
Absolutely ludicrous.
Implying she wouldn't appoint people like her in all positions, and get things done better.
Implying as a president she wouldn't have more power and authority then the head of a federal organization.

She isn't appointing shit as VP. And she would never get elected as the Democratic nominee, not right now. And yes, as president she would still meet tremendous opposition and roadblock for anything she tried to get done, maybe worse than Obama. She needs more time to do what she can in the Senate now rather than be president and be incapable of doing nothing after.
 

TaterTots

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What exactly is fake here? I watched her do this live at the DNC, unless you are implying someone hacked the stream I was watching to make her look bad....which seems unlikely.

How would she not know about balloons falling and being a politician this long? Wait, I'm talking about her reaction seeming fake. She had to know that was coming. No way she didn't after being in the game this long.
 
How would she not know about balloons falling and being a politician this long? Wait, I'm talking about her reaction seeming fake. She had to know that was coming. No way she didn't after being in the game this long.

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It's an old lady making a silly face, what the actual fuck does it matter?
 

Xilo

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How would she not know about balloons falling and being a politician this long? Wait, I'm talking about her reaction seeming fake. She had to know that was coming. No way she didn't after being in the game this long.

okay, my apologies then! I thought you were trying to defend her and say that the GIF was fake.
 

xxracerxx

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How would she not know about balloons falling and being a politician this long? Wait, I'm talking about her reaction seeming fake. She had to know that was coming. No way she didn't after being in the game this long.

You might be dead inside if you wouldn't react to thousands of balloons being dropped after you just gave an important speech.
 
Iraq war.

I urge everyone to read what Hilllary wrote right after her vote.

I'm not saying it completely excuses her but it's important. She didn't just say "yes let's start a war against Iraq." She voted on good faith that bush would exhaust every diplomatic opportunity because he said that, and then he turned around and was like "jk we're going to bomb them now."
 

Xe4

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Seeing the balloons drop after her DNC speech.

I think it was the indoor fireworks, actually. Honestly both were impressive, people were drowning in balloons, and I'd have a similar reaction. Girl can't even be exuberant. She doesn't smile, and she's cold, she does smile and she's fake. Clinton can't catch a break...

Edit: I swear to god, I thought the DNC was trying to be the first to attempt death by balloons.
 

Krejlooc

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How would she not know about balloons falling and being a politician this long? Wait, I'm talking about her reaction seeming fake. She had to know that was coming. No way she didn't after being in the game this long.

Oh no, she put on a smile for a photo op moment. Heavens forbid she wasn't actually astonished!
 

Piecake

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Can someone explain what she's doing here? Save us any snarky or witty comment.

She was looking at balloons falling down after the DNC finished

And anyone who calls this fake or manufactured is really channeling that hating that girl eating that toast image in a serious way
 
How would she not know about balloons falling and being a politician this long? Wait, I'm talking about her reaction seeming fake. She had to know that was coming. No way she didn't after being in the game this long.

Or perhaps she's having a bit of fun giving an oversized reaction to the balloons. Yeah, the goofy face might be a bit intentional, but people act like she preplanned every movement of every specific neck and facial muscle down to the nanosecond.

Which would be pretty impressive if she did.
 

Eusis

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I imagine a lot of the distrust to her is a constant stream of bullshit that people have clung on to and by proxy will look for any other faults they can.

On my end, back in 2008 I just really did not like the idea of keeping it to basically two families in the White House. Now, Obama broke that streak, and I'd take juggling between those two families over letting Trump in ever. At least if a Bush fucks us up they won't be such a blatant jackass about it all.

EDIT: Though admittedly I might have to thank Trump for possibly killing that streak off if not for good then at least making it so you probably wouldn't see a Bush try for president again for a few more decades.
 

TaterTots

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You might be dead inside if you wouldn't react to thousands of balloons being dropped after you just gave an important speech.

Of course there would be some sort of reaction, but that is an overreaction. Didn't even phase Bill and others. I just feel like she's trying too hard to come across as likeable.
 
I make silly looking faces all the time, outside of my control. I'm like the least photogenic person ever

Luckily, it hasn't affected my life negatively, because I'm a guy and therefore not constantly judged by my appearance
 

Lmo911

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She's a machine, and I respect that considering what she's gone up against. But I think that may be part of it. She's a person who's probably sacrificed a lot to get where she is and in the end it's effected her. I think the frontline special was very telling from that stand point.

She's not your happy grandma, she's your bitter aunt. I think there's some genuine moments when the facade cracks, but I don't know if she can fully drop it without it turning off the general public.
 
For me personally, it's because I don't think her ideology and approach to policy (incrementalist tweaking, pushing "public-private" partnerships, arbitrary means-testing, American foreign policy exceptionalism, #imwithher rather than pushing for grassroots movements, etc.) would do enough to actually solve the root problems facing this country.

And if we're just speaking about pure optics and silly political horserace language, she's a terrible candidate by that standard. I always found it amusing that mainstream Democrats were going on and on about how Sanders saying something vaguely positive about Castro 30 years ago would have been a major scandal in a general election that would instantly doom us all to 8 years of Trump, but all the baggage (real or otherwise) that comes along with the Clintons would be no big deal at all ("people already know her!"). Even though all the evidence at the time (and the evidence now) has shown that to be false. And it seems like instead of just admitting that Clinton's baggage was always going to be a huge negative going into a general election where the electorate has mostly lost trust in the status quo (and there's nothing more status quo than a Clinton, lol), and figuring out ways to patch up those flaws, the mainstream of the Democratic Party would rather now just yell at people who don't immediately fall in line, and blame everyone else. And it's amusing when they yell at young voters, 3rd party voters, and non-voters about "privilege", when a large amount of those same groups are minorities and women. It's weird.

Her strength is quiet competence and a steady hand to keep the ship moving forward
the ship of American Empire, amirite?
. Which is fine, and will probably be enough to win the election, but I don't think it's surprising to say that there's a lot of people out there in 2016 that want a bit more than that.

For obvious reasons, she's better than pretty much any Republican, as is any mainstream Democrat (well, for some people. For a lot of the poor worldwide, they'll still be screwed just as they have been under any president or party), and of course she's an incredibly intelligent woman, but there's plenty of smart, intelligent, well-intentioned people who still support bad ideas that ultimately cause a lot of harm (see: the current president, or hell, even W.). And we've been doing the "but still, they're better than Republicans right?" thing for like 30 something years now, and while things have obviously improved in some ways, a lot of major problems have either stayed the same or have gotten worse. And depending on what issues an individual person prioritizes, that would affect their view of her or any other politician.

On a related note, none of this has anything to do with "purity" or whatever other strawman people usually bring up when someone doesn't like a mainstream Democrat. "Purity" is in the eye of the beholder. Democrats usually don't yell at people about "abortion rights purity" or "gun rights purity" because they know that's part of their base they need to win elections, even though that's no different about someone having purity about tuition-free college education or single-payer health care or any of the millions of issues that exist. Democrats often use "purity" arguments to punch anyone to the left of them, not because they somehow have a principled objection to the idea of purity. Literally every person has some issue that's of primary importance to them, so it's silly to criticize others for doing the exact same thing. If someone feels single-payer healthcare is the wrong policy for example, then just say that, rather than going on about "purity".

well said brother.

Of all things in this thread...a reaction to balloons was the nail in the coffin lol.

Seriously, anyone can look stupid in a one or two second gif. Not sure how that in particular means anything. I'd probably look sillier if I saw the balloons drop
 

Xe4

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Of course there would be some sort of reaction, but that is an overreaction. Didn't even phase Bill and others. I just feel like she's trying too hard to come across as likeable.

JFC, there was at least ten thousand balloons, and indoor fireworks after she gave the most important speech of her life. Give the girl a fucking break dude.

I'm not too big a fan of this image, but it's really appropriate here...
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She probably knew there will be balloons but that was a fuck ton of balloons. I would have reacted the same to be honest but with profanity.

I don't see that as grounds for disliking anyone unless you're really looking for any reason to hate someone.
 

xxracerxx

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Of course there would be some sort of reaction, but that is an overreaction. Didn't even phase Bill and others. I just feel like she's trying too hard to come across as likeable.

Meh, believe what you want, I think the reaction was fine and justified.
 

Piecake

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Of all things in this thread...a reaction to balloons was the nail in the coffin lol.

Its just a pretty clear indication that some people will think that even her breathing is manufactured.

Maybe she naturally does goofy exaggerations to response to outlandish and crazy, but not serious situations? That whole 'seizure' evidence video with the reporters backs that up. Or is that another manufactured thing? Hell, the whole shimmy at the debate backs that up. Or are you going to claim that that was manufactured as well?

Does she say and do things because of politics and polling? Yes, every politician does. She just does it rather poorly and it comes off as bad. She lacks charisma and the ability to really inspire people and get them emotionally involved. Therefore, when she does things that are clearly meant to inspire and motivate in just comes off as fake, and she can't hide the polling based rhetoric and actions as well as other politicians as result as well.
 

TaterTots

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Because it's a ridiculous thing to dislike her for.




She's a dork... that's all it is. I get it because so am I.

But I never said I disliked her due to her getting excited or possibly over exaggerating. I made a post early in this thread as to why I'm not a big fan. Still voting for her.
 
How would she not know about balloons falling and being a politician this long? Wait, I'm talking about her reaction seeming fake. She had to know that was coming. No way she didn't after being in the game this long.

There were fireworks in the building before the balloons which she was reacting to.
 
I assume you are joking? If not, you need to read a few books.


count claude henri de saint simon spins violently in his grave

^ to above, i said that because her stance on foreign policy and big business. I really recommend people actually read the article I posted earlier. Hell I repost it https://theintercept.com/2016/03/13...-of-collaboration-with-gop-on-foreign-policy/

Time to read some ideology history. Not even Bernie was a socialist even though he declared himself as one.

We should be so lucky!


Well, this is probably some language barrier, I don't think she follows Marx or anything closer when I said she is a socialist, I guess this has a different connotation in the USA. I thought she was going to raise taxes in order to fund social programs, right? That's tipically a left approach, but I have a more liberal economic view.
 

Xilo

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Question is why is Hilary supporters mad that people dont like her.

This is the thing that baffles me so much. She is definitely no saint, and has done a lot of things that (while maybe not illegal) rub people the wrong way, yet you aren't allowed to dislike her even a little bit or you are sexist or a trump supporter. It's possible to vote for her because she is the lesser of two evils, and still think she is a pretty unlikable human. If she was so likable, the race wouldn't even be close.
 
Question is why is Hilary supporters mad that people dont like her.

November 8.

But to be more serious, after a certain point it doesn't become useful to the general election race to continually re-litigate the primary process. We all have our own issues with Hillary Clinton, myself included, but I'm focusing more on the battle at hand than past ones. I say that as someone who supported Obama all the way through the 08 primary and initially supported Bernie this current one.

I've already been through all my own "I like Clinton, but" moments. For now my eyes are on the prize. I'll continue to hold her feet to the fire once she gets elected, though.
 
I think it was the indoor fireworks, actually. Honestly both were impressive, people were drowning in balloons, and I'd have a similar reaction. Girl can't even be exuberant. She doesn't smile, and she's cold, she does smile and she's fake. Clinton can't catch a break...

Edit: I swear to god, I thought the DNC was trying to be the first to attempt death by balloons.

Look at this guy.. Looking so fake playing with these balloons, like he hasn't seen balloons at one of these events before! What a soulless robot.

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Everybody loves balloons. If you gave me a balloon right now I'd probably start playing with it, regardless of setting.

but just IMAGINE if say in a hypothetical scenario, Clinton is giving a speech on nuclear proliferation and disarmament at the UN but in the corner of her eye sees Zambia President Edgar Lungu playing with two count em two balloons. Wut she do?

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TaterTots

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Its just a pretty clear indication that some people will think that even her breathing is manufactured.

Maybe she naturally does goofy exaggerations to response to outlandish and crazy, but not serious situations? That whole 'seizure' evidence video with the reporters backs that up. Or is that another manufactured thing? Hell, the whole shimmy at the debate backs that up. Or are you going to claim that that was manufactured as well?

Does she say and do things because of politics and polling? Yes, every politician does. She just does it rather poorly and it comes off as bad. She lacks charisma and the ability to really inspire people and get them emotionally involved. Therefore, when she does things that are clearly meant to inspire and motivate in just comes off as fake, and she can't hide the polling based rhetoric and actions as well as other politicians as result as well.

Maybe everyone that read my post has the same mindset as you. Not once did I think about the "seizure" or believe she would be a terrible president due to me believing she over exaggerated for appearances. I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. Everyone can calm down.
 

xxracerxx

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This is the thing that baffles me so much. She is definitely no saint, and has done a lot of things that (while maybe not illegal) rub people the wrong way, yet you aren't allowed to dislike her even a little bit or you are sexist or a trump supporter. It's possible to vote for her because she is the lesser of two evils, and still think she is a pretty unlikable human. If she was so likable, the race wouldn't even be close.

Who is saying you cannot dislike her? There are a ton of valid reasons to be wary of Clinton, but a lot of time the things listed against her are some dumb ass reasons...such as not supporting gay marriage until just awhile ago. God forbid someone changes their mind!
 

Xe4

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Question is why is Hilary supporters mad that people dont like her.

I don't mind when people dislike Hillary, or Obama, or any politician really. There are some things I don't like her for. One example is I feel she fucked up bad with having a private email server. There are posts in here by people such as soul creator that I may not agree with, but can't be mad at him for. That's his opinion, you know? When people dislike her for misinformed reasons, or treat her with a double standard, I feel as if it's my obligation to correct them. There are few people in this thread I genuinely dislike, but I'm not going to stop correcting and disagreeing with people who bring up stupid arguments (or what I see as stupid arguments) in any thread, this one included.
 

bounchfx

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Most everything you say is a half truth, exaggeration, or whatever. How many times can you remember where you stated a fact, to look it up and realize it's dead fucking wrong? I can't count the number for me. Human memory is faulty, and we're prone to not be truthful all the time, whether it is intentional or not.

this is incredibly fair. however, when we're talking about people we are giving tremendous amounts of power and trust to, that are supposed to be experts in their fields, and they KNOWINGLY mislead people more often than not? The excuses they come up with sometimes are just mind boggling.

and, on the other hand, if they truly don't know, and are spreading lies as fact? that's just as bad. neither have a place in our system. Yet that's what it's comprised of, and it shows :\.
 
Of course there would be some sort of reaction, but that is an overreaction. Didn't even phase Bill and others. I just feel like she's trying too hard to come across as likeable.

Bill goes apeshit for the balloons like every time

I'm pretty sure there's a video from the convention of him grabbing a balloon out of a little girls hands lol

People can get excited over balloons
 

xxracerxx

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this is incredibly fair. however, when we're talking about people we are giving tremendous amounts of power and trust to, that are supposed to be experts in their fields, and they KNOWINGLY mislead people more often than not? The excuses they come up with sometimes are just mind boggling.

and, on the other hand, if they truly don't know, and are spreading lies as fact? that's just as bad. neither have a place in our system. Yet that's what it's comprised of, and it shows :\.

It sounds like you are explaining parents right now.
 

TaterTots

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Bill goes apeshit for the balloons like every time

I'm pretty sure there's a video from the convention of him grabbing a balloon out of a little girls hands lol

People can get excited over balloons

I mean that's fine. Me having the idea that she exaggerated shouldn't sway mine or anyone's vote. Obviously, this isn't an important conversation. Her stances are what's important.
 
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