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[Chris1]

I honestly don't get why people think MS will release their next console before sony.

All that would happen doing that is give sony yet another chance to 1 up the xbox hardware, MS is going to want to avoid that. Unless you expect them to build an absolute beast and lose a shit load of money per console so that they're near guaranteed the PS5 won't outperform it.

 

[2thepoint]

I can see the Xbox brand being offloaded to some other company by the time Xbox ? releases in the next generation.

It seems to me that the acquisition of Minecraft was to add value to the Xbox ecosystem as a whole and increase it's overall sale price when the time comes.

 

[Ol No Bones]

No thanks.

I love my Xbox One, lots of great things coming down the pipe, it's selling well (not as good as the competition but still well) and we haven't even seen what it's capable of. Give me another good 4 years of it at least.

Yep. Its a damn good console despite the internet noise. The only downside is the specs not being as good as their competitor. That's the only thing wrong with it.

 

[Badger]

It's a pretty simple question: why is Microsoft even in the business of making consoles?

Simple answer: To make money.

In all fairness they did a pretty good job with the xbox 360 and the Xbone is not a lost cause, I don't think it can be number 1 in terms of sales but it still can be a strong force in the console market.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

No thanks.

I love my Xbox One, lots of great things coming down the pipe, it's selling well (not as good as the competition but still well) and we haven't even seen what it's capable of. Give me another good 4 years of it at least.

It's not 'selling well' though. Only in the US that statement could be true.

5-6 million sales worlwide after nearly a year is bad for a company as rich as MS and with the insane marketing budget behind it.

 

[The Artisan]

What's the "real" problem with the Xbox One? It's slightly less powerful than the PS4? If that's all that there is, there's no reason to release a new console to simply provide more graphics horsepower. All of the parity stuff will attest to that, and even if you look at recent history - PC games aren't that spectacularly better than console (if released on all systems) with the add'l horsepower that you seek (save outliers like Battlefield, Crysis, etc.).

everybody keeps saying the Ps4 is more powerful than the xbone but isn't the truth that they both have advantages over the other?

Xbone's CPU is 1.75 while the Ps4's is 1.6, so xbone has a beter CPU, and Xbone's GPU clocks in at 853mhz while Ps4's clocks in at 800. and the xbone has dx12 and the Ps4 does not.

and a lot of games don't have 1080p on xbone but some games DO, which means it is possible, just harder... just like last gen how it was harder but not impossible to make Ps3 games look as good or better than 360 games.

coz face it...once we saw games the likes of mgs4, uc2/3, gow 3, heavy rain, killzone 2/3, beyond two souls, & the last of us, it was clear that the Ps3 was the most powerful console last gen but nobody would think that with it getting all the gimped multiplat ports.

 

[Dragonborn]

Because it could backfire tremebdously. It worked with the 360 because Sony just completely shit the bed, but they're not going to make a mistake like that again

 

[nateeasy]

You guys.... Lol

 

[JordanN]

coz face it...once we saw games the likes of mgs4, uc2/3, gow 3, heavy rain, killzone 2/3, beyond two souls, & the last of us, it was clear that the Ps3 was the most powerful console last gen but nobody would think that with it getting all the gimped multiplat ports.

The XBO is weaker and wont ever deliver a game the PS4 can't handle. Any attempts at spinning this wont end well.

 

[Kaydan]

The XBO is weaker and wont ever deliver a game the PS4 can't handle. Any attempts at spinning this wont end well.

Crackdown.

 

[Wynnebeck]

everybody keeps saying the Ps4 is more powerful than the xbone but isn't the truth that they both have advantages over the other?

Xbone's CPU is 1.75 while the Ps4's is 1.6, so xbone has a beter CPU, and Xbone's GPU clocks in at 853mhz while Ps4's clocks in at 800. and the xbone has dx12 and the Ps4 does not.

and a lot of games don't have 1080p on xbone but some games DO, which means it is possible, just harder... just like last gen how it was harder but not impossible to make Ps3 games look as good or better than 360 games.

coz face it...once we saw games the likes of mgs4, uc2/3, gow 3, heavy rain, killzone 2/3, beyond two souls, & the last of us, it was clear that the Ps3 was the most powerful console last gen but nobody would think that with it getting all the gimped multiplat ports.

Holy shit! It's MisterXMedia!

 

[Devilgunman]

Its all about numero uno, not sure what planet youre from but realize the fact...all bronze medal winners shot for Gold they didnt start going for Bronze.

This isn't track&field. It's a business. Of course everyone is aiming to be number 1 but that doesn't mean they should quite the race when they are not there yet. Look at how many years Apple has been under MS. Maybe they should quite making Mac decades ago I guess.

 

[The Inventor]

Seriously, how many more times do we have to go through these threads? No way this is going to happen in the short term.
Games will be the key factor, it's too soon to discuss it. Again.

 

[BouncyFrag]

What's wrong with being #2 in a billion dollar market ?

 

[jroc74]

Crackdown.

And this is why

I currently own a PS4 and I love it. It's not without it's flaws.

I currently plan on purchasing an XB1 for Black Friday and from what I hear, it's not perfect either.

I remember how both 360 and PS3 evolved from gaming machines to goto multimedia devices. In a perfect world, both of these consoles will compete for our hearts and wallets, while adding crazy value to their respective systems.


I hold no allegiance to a console. I am a video game mercenary.

Exclusives will always have my buying a Nintendo console....even if I barely play it now. I cant wait to own both a PS4 and XBO... Only reason I am gaming on my 360 more these days is my Metal Gear PS3 finally gave up the ghost after all these years. TLoU and GTA 5 on PS3 had me put my 360 on the back burner for some months.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Uhh...XB1 hasn't even been out a year...XB1 is selling better than the 360....Even if they don't outsell PS4 this generation they will still make a massive profit...

was* selling better for like 2 months.

doubt 10 million xbox one will be sold through by next month.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Microsoft needed this kick in the pants and I say that with the Xbox brand being my favorite ever in gaming. However, you can't take people and their loyalties for granted and you need to have gamers running the gaming division instead of suits.

Also, fix your leaks! Your competition should not have your product roadmap more than 2 years before your device comes to market so that people know how to beat you. Also, put money in great tech, I'm an early adopter, I and others will buy it day one.

 

[SegaShack]

It would be such a bad idea. A "console war" doesn't mean only the top seller does well. Also, we can keep in mind that last Generation the PS3 after 6 years slowly beat the 360 in sales. MS has no reason to end the Xbox One.

 

[Windom Earle]

everybody keeps saying the Ps4 is more powerful than the xbone but isn't the truth that they both have advantages over the other?

Xbone's CPU is 1.75 while the Ps4's is 1.6, so xbone has a beter CPU, and Xbone's GPU clocks in at 853mhz while Ps4's clocks in at 800. and the xbone has dx12 and the Ps4 does not.

and a lot of games don't have 1080p on xbone but some games DO, which means it is possible, just harder... just like last gen how it was harder but not impossible to make Ps3 games look as good or better than 360 games.

coz face it...once we saw games the likes of mgs4, uc2/3, gow 3, heavy rain, killzone 2/3, beyond two souls, & the last of us, it was clear that the Ps3 was the most powerful console last gen but nobody would think that with it getting all the gimped multiplat ports.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Devilgunman]

everybody keeps saying the Ps4 is more powerful than the xbone but isn't the truth that they both have advantages over the other?

Xbone's CPU is 1.75 while the Ps4's is 1.6, so xbone has a beter CPU, and Xbone's GPU clocks in at 853mhz while Ps4's clocks in at 800. and the xbone has dx12 and the Ps4 does not.

That's not how you interpret the power of these 2 console.

Hint: teraflops & GDDR5

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

everybody keeps saying the Ps4 is more powerful than the xbone but isn't the truth that they both have advantages over the other?

Xbone's CPU is 1.75 while the Ps4's is 1.6, so xbone has a beter CPU, and Xbone's GPU clocks in at 853mhz while Ps4's clocks in at 800. and the xbone has dx12 and the Ps4 does not.

and a lot of games don't have 1080p on xbone but some games DO, which means it is possible, just harder... just like last gen how it was harder but not impossible to make Ps3 games look as good or better than 360 games.

coz face it...once we saw games the likes of mgs4, uc2/3, gow 3, heavy rain, killzone 2/3, beyond two souls, & the last of us, it was clear that the Ps3 was the most powerful console last gen but nobody would think that with it getting all the gimped multiplat ports.

back to the misterxmedia blog. Still waiting for the xb1 to have its hidden gpus activated so it's true 10tflops show through.

 

[2thepoint]

everybody keeps saying the Ps4 is more powerful than the xbone but isn't the truth that they both have advantages over the other?

Xbone's CPU is 1.75 while the Ps4's is 1.6, so xbone has a beter CPU, and Xbone's GPU clocks in at 853mhz while Ps4's clocks in at 800. and the xbone has dx12 and the Ps4 does not.

and a lot of games don't have 1080p on xbone but some games DO, which means it is possible, just harder... just like last gen how it was harder but not impossible to make Ps3 games look as good or better than 360 games.

coz face it...once we saw games the likes of mgs4, uc2/3, gow 3, heavy rain, killzone 2/3, beyond two souls, & the last of us, it was clear that the Ps3 was the most powerful console last gen but nobody would think that with it getting all the gimped multiplat ports.

Is this MisterXMedia?

 

[giadartis]

Also, fix your leaks! Your competition should not have your product roadmap more than 2 years before your device comes to market so that people know how to beat you. Also, put money in great tech, I'm an early adopter, I and others will buy it day one.

This is so true.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

The XBO is weaker and wont ever deliver a game the PS4 can't handle. Any attempts at spinning this wont end well.

Holy shit! It's MisterXMedia!

Thanks for the laugh.

back to the misterxmedia blog. Still waiting for the xb1 to have its hidden gpus activated so it's true 10tflops show through.

Is this MisterXMedia?

You all way to harsh. Most of that post is factual.

That's not to say that I agree, just that there are no outright lies in that.

 

[Hahs]

This would make MS synonymous with Nintendo's 'cranking out hardware evey second philosophy'.

The Xbox One: U

 

[The Artisan]

The XBO is weaker and wont ever deliver a game the PS4 can't handle. Any attempts at spinning this wont end well.

I agree with you here but some people have said crackdown is possible on xbone and not on Ps4 and I don't see how that makes sense

other than the fact that it is an xbone exclusive and obviously won't come out for Ps4

Holy shit! It's MisterXMedia!

Thanks for the laugh.

you're welcome but I was serious.

That's not how you interpret the power of these 2 console.

Hint: teraflops & GDDR5

yes I know the Ps4 is stronger there and is more powerful overall, I was merely pointing out that the xbone does have some advantages over it.

the Ps3 was more powerful than 360 although 360 had better ram yeah?

back to the misterxmedia blog. Still waiting for the xb1 to have its hidden gpus activated so it's true 10tflops show through.

idl wat this misterxmedia shit is.

Is this MisterXMedia?

no it's not

You all way to harsh. Most of that post is factual.

That's not to say that I agree, just that there are no outright lies in that.

wat was I wrong about? you said MOST is factual I thought i was spot on

 

[RibMan]

Why is Microsoft being singled out here? What's the context?

The context is that the Xbox One is rapidly being cemented into second place. In other words, if the PS4 keeps its current momentum, the Xbox One will never be the market leader. From a business point of view, if your 5 year product will spend 5 years behind another product, you might need to rethink your product's lifespan.

By ending the life of the Xbox One earlier than planned, Microsoft will be able to introduce a console that is a) Technologically superior to the PS4 and b) Distanced from the bad reputation of the Xbox One platform. To put that in different terms, Microsoft would be hoping to do what Sony did with the PS4; introduce the successor to their current platform that has a clear, gamer-focused message.

With that said, the OP has a fundamentally broken understanding of how conglomerates work. Sony is absolutely in muddy financial waters, however, Sony failing =/= PlayStation failing. It would be unbelievably foolish of Microsoft to think that Sony (the parent) losing money or outspending Sony will reverse the Xbox One's fortunes in the market. It's not about who has the most ads anymore - it's about why the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One, significantly, on a global basis.

Again, it has to be stated - Microsoft isn't run by fools. They know that the Xbox One is losing valuable marketshare to the PS4. They know that games such as the MCC and Sunset Overdrive will not make the Xbox One the go-to platform for next-gen gaming. They know that the Xbox One is hobbling along in Europe and done in Japan. They know that if Sony drops the price on the PS4 then it's officially game over for the Xbox One's first-place aspirations in NA. Microsoft know all of this, so the question is, if they know all of this - what are they going to do?

That's why proposing an early termination of the Xbox One platform isn't as far-fetched of an idea as some might think. It's a big risk move that if executed properly could get the Xbox brand back on track. Keep in mind that an early termination =/= killing the Xbox One next week. It simply means that the Nextbox/ Xbox Two is introduced much earlier than planned.

 

[KingV]

I don't think it's nearly as dire for the XBONE as some people think. Xbox has a lot of advantages, but some really major disadvantages


+ Xbox has more exciting exclusives coming up (outside of Bloodborne)
+ Xbox live seems to work better than PSN
+ Xbox's OS is a lot better than Playstation's

- Weaker
- PS+ is currently delivering a lot more value
- Bad press from Kinect/the "All digital future"

I own both (and soon a Wii U). Frankly, I prefer to play on my XBONE when possible, I only turn on the PS4 for games that are much better on PS4, Exclusive, games I traditionally think of as "PS" games (MGS series, Mortal Kombat, a few others), or games I want to play with friends that only own a PS4.

MS might be able to catch up to Sony in North America, based on exclusives and hopefully multiplats will be optimized better in ways that are less obvious that the Xbox is weaker (Not talking parity, just being smart about where devs cut) to preserve the core experience on both platforms.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

wat was I wrong about? you said MOST is factual I thought i was spot on

You suggest that because some games reach 1080p on Xbox, that makes it possible in all cases, just harder, which is factually wrong. There are many factors involved, and if the PS4 is pushed to reach that, the Xbox can never reach it at all.

You suggest that the discrepancy is down to more difficult to use hardware, such as the PS3, which is just not the case. They are both using standard PC parts in a custom design. The PS3 did not.

 

[2thepoint]

I don't think it's nearly as dire for the XBONE as some people think. Xbox has a lot of advantages, but some really major disadvantages


+ Xbox has more exciting exclusives coming up (outside of Bloodborne)
+ Xbox live seems to work better than PSN
+ Xbox's OS is a lot better than Playstation's

- Weaker
- PS+ is currently delivering a lot more value
- Bad press from Kinect/the "All digital future"

I own both (and soon a Wii U). Frankly, I prefer to play on my XBONE when possible, I only turn on the PS4 for games that are much better on PS4, Exclusive, games I traditionally think of as "PS" games (MGS series, Mortal Kombat, a few others), or games I want to play with friends that only own a PS4.

MS might be able to catch up to Sony in North America, based on exclusives and hopefully multiplats will be optimized better in ways that are less obvious that the Xbox is weaker (Not talking parity, just being smart about where devs cut) to preserve the core experience on both platforms.

*Subjectively, Xbox has more exciting exclusives coming up.

Objectively,both have great exclusives coming.

You can't argue something as fact based on personal opinion.

 

[UrbanRats]

I honestly don't see how they can turn this thing around without a complete revamp of the hardware.

Sony sort of turned around last gen.

 

[nelchaar]

They're significantly behind Sony, but it doesn't mean they are doing horribly. In fact they are doing well, just not as well as Sony.

 

[HighResTomato]

I can see the Xbox brand being offloaded to some other company by the time Xbox ? releases in the next generation.

It seems to me that the acquisition of Minecraft was to add value to the Xbox ecosystem as a whole and increase it's overall sale price when the time comes.

The Xbox ecosystem is already huge and has already got a big market value it really doesn't need Minecraft for which Microsoft already spend overly much on.

Even though it may be some people wet dream here but Xbox isn't being sold.

 

[Ol No Bones]

back to the misterxmedia blog. Still waiting for the xb1 to have its hidden gpus activated so it's true 10tflops show through.

In MS defense, the gpus were hidden very well.

 

[tensuke]

Hasn't even been a full year yet, dude! Give it time to grow!

 

[jiiikoo]

They're significantly behind Sony, but it doesn't mean they are doing horribly. In fact they are doing well, just not as well as Sony.

Not horribly, but you have to admit, that the amount of money they've spent on promoting, slashing prices and giving out freebies hasn't had a real impact on the sales, which I bet is making people at the HQ pretty anxious. I'm not saying they will do anything as drastic as calling it quits any time soon, but it seems that people would've wanted an much more powerful machine that they delivered.

But who knows, the tide might change and if it does, good for them imho.

 

[orochi91]

Honestly, MS should just go multiplatform.

They stand to make more money on software, since they always seem to sink unrecoverable billions into hardware.

Like Minecraft, have all their IPs available on a number of platforms, PC/PS5 primarily.

 

[Mass Effect]

Sega tried this...

it didn't work out too well for them.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if MS decides to launch the Xbone successor in 2017 (so 4 years after the Xbone launched), kind of like they did with Xbox -> 360.

Sony sort of turned around last gen.

Oh please don't start this.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Honestly, I don't see any benefit from this sort of strategy. Worst case scenario, it achieves nothing, Sony stays in the game, and they've just poured tons of money down the drain. Even if they do put enough pressure to take Sony out of the game, they couldn't maintain it, and it'd still cost them a ton of money, and they still have Nintendo and PCs as competitors to the xbox. So the ones who'd benefit most from this are actually Nintendo and the PC manufacturers (granted, MS would still get some money for the ones using a windows operating system, but that's a different matter). Microsoft really isn't going to be able to put enough pressure to take down Nintendo in a generation, given that they've shown they can distance themselves from the specs race, and PC just can't be touched in general. They'd get a bit of the sony console market, sure, but probably not enough to justify the extreme losses they'd have to put up with, and there's also the possibility of another company deciding to step in to the market if Sony got pushed out

 

[regenhuber88]

The XBO is weaker and wont ever deliver a game the PS4 can't handle. Any attempts at spinning this wont end well.

Honestly, the most "wow next gen graphics" moments this gen I personally had on the X1.
Of course I can only judge on what I saw on my 40 inch, but some scenes in Ryse and Horizon 2 really deliver the graphic experience I always expected.
On PS4 only Second Son impressed me so far.

 

[2thepoint]

Honestly, I don't see any benefit from this sort of strategy. Worst case scenario, it achieves nothing, Sony stays in the game, and they've just poured tons of money down the drain. Even if they do put enough pressure to take Sony out of the game, they couldn't maintain it, and it'd still cost them a ton of money, and they still have Nintendo and PCs as competitors to the xbox. So the ones who'd benefit most from this are actually Nintendo and the PC manufacturers (granted, MS would still get some money for the ones using a windows operating system, but that's a different matter). Microsoft really isn't going to be able to put enough pressure to take down Nintendo in a generation, given that they've shown they can distance themselves from the specs race, and PC just can't be touched in general. They'd get a bit of the sony console market, sure, but probably not enough to justify the extreme losses they'd have to put up with, and there's also the possibility of another company deciding to step in to the market if Sony got pushed out

Playstation ain't going anywhere.

If Sony were to fall, Samsung would probably offer a blank cheque just to get their hands on the Playstation division.

 

[Cole Slaw]

I don't think it's nearly as dire for the XBONE as some people think. Xbox has a lot of advantages, but some really major disadvantages


+ Xbox has more exciting exclusives coming up (outside of Bloodborne)
+ Xbox live seems to work better than PSN
+ Xbox's OS is a lot better than Playstation's

- Weaker
- PS+ is currently delivering a lot more value
- Bad press from Kinect/the "All digital future"

Unfortunately, the wider market seems to have deemed XO's disadvantages to far outweigh its advantages, at least for September 2014... and eight previous months... consecutively... including the month that launched the only other game to rival Destiny's hype... (Titanfall).

I own both (and soon a Wii U). Frankly, I prefer to play on my XBONE when possible, I only turn on the PS4 for games that are much better on PS4, Exclusive, games I traditionally think of as "PS" games (MGS series, Mortal Kombat, a few others), or games I want to play with friends that only own a PS4.

It sounds like you're going to be turning your PS4 on, more often than you'll prefer to play on your XO, unless XO exclusives are going to be the majority of your game purchases.

MS might be able to catch up to Sony in North America, based on exclusives and hopefully multiplats will be optimized better in ways that are less obvious that the Xbox is weaker (Not talking parity, just being smart about where devs cut) to preserve the core experience on both platforms.

Having to cut corners and compromise a vision in such a way, for the sake of preserving core experience on a weaker platform, is tantamount to reaching for parity anyway. When it's so obvious that a game's development has been geared towards propping up the weaker system at the expense of what could be a better game with the stronger system's capabilities, people are going to have a problem with that even if they don't understand the business reasons for it (avoiding debates and stuff).

 

[lonedigitalwolf]

I sure hope they don't, this gen is barely getting started.

 

[Stare-Bear]

The Xbox is doing ok....in the US. In that weird little place called not-America the xbox is really hurting. As the gap is widening, MS will have to pay more and more to developers for exclusivity deals and dlc content. While they have all the money in the world, they're not a charity. And looking at the backlash SE received for the Tomb Raider deal, dev's and pub's will start thinking twice before signing any exclusivity deals with MS.

The next xbox will MS's 'mac mini'. A cheap pc, running a full Windows X (or XI), with the capability of running Xbox games, as well as origin, steam, gog.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Playstation ain't going anywhere.

If Sony were to fall, Samsung would probably offer a blank cheque just to get their hands on the Playstation division.

That's a good point, I hadn't even thought about someone else picking up the brand (as opposed to making a new one on their own). SO yeah, it'd be entirely pointless, since the amount of money they'd have to spend to make this work really couldn't be justified since there's no long term benefits anyways

 

[Pain]

It's not Microsofts decision. The market decides when its time to move on. Either declining hardware or software sales. Microsoft releasing an Xbox "Two" in a few years would only accelerate the death of the Xbox brand. The PS4 will be way cheaper and more affordable and most wouldn't even care about Xbox "Two".

Just look at the Dreamcast as an example of what not to do.

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

How exactly would you manage to get 3rd parties on-board with this kind of strategy? By ending a generation early, you show that you're not willing to support your own platforms which is going to scare 3rd parties away.

 

[Tagyhag]

Did you work for Sega OP?

 

[Pain]

Sony sort of turned around last gen.

Sony didn't turn this around, they just managed to be a close 3rd(or 2nd? I don't even know anymore). Sony lost America by a mile and that's what really hurt them. This gen they're winning by a decent amount and it doesn't look like they'll be losing that any time soon.

 

[inm8num2]

How feasible would it be to develop a "next gen" console in the next couple years? I'm not fanning any flames, but it seems that a constant point of discussion/concern is the performance of the current consoles. Right now, a more powerful console is probably going to be significantly more expensive. In a few years that expense will go down, but will it still be enough of an improvement over the current gen?