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Wii U doesn't need current/next gen graphics, it needs current/next gen online

Fox318 said:
How about decent media capabilities? I'm still pissed of that Nintendo refuses to pay for DVD/Blu-Ray playback. How fucking stupid is it that families and kids have to have two boxes to play back optical disk media? You would figure Nintendo would want the Wii/WiiU to be the center of your television/media experience. Instead it will just be the Just Dance machine for most people.
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I find that a poor choice aswell. It's probably because the Homer controller adds too much to the cost and Nintendo wants to keep the price at 299.
 
Snuggler said:
Definitely, it needs a good system in place before anything else, but it'll also need 3rd parties to deliver games that players actually want to go online with. But yeah, that won't happen until Nintendo can create an online system that isn't matched by the fuggin Sega Dreamcast.

I'm strongly interested in the Wii-U but Nintendo could definitely put a damper on that if they choose to under deliver again.
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I feel like they already have. I mean how could you make a tablet/touchscreen controller and not have a multi-touch display?
 
snesfreak said:
True, it does need a good online system.
But Nintendo could make the greatest online system ever created in the history of online gaming, for FREE. And people would STILL find something to complain about.
Just because it's Nintendo.

Oh, and I see there's already someone saying the games won't look any better.
So, I have to ask, what's the future like? Since you know everything already.
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Are you saying they shouldn't bother because some fanboys would still complain? Who cares?

Pretty sure most of us here would appreciate it.
 
AceBandage said:
One name for all games. That's a unified system. It's what the 3DS has, and what the Wii U will have.
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Well, at a bare minimum techical level, i suppose you are right. But I don't think I'm alone (certainly not with the OP) in thinking that that is simply not competitive in 2012. I mean that doesn't even include a unified trophy/achievement list.

It's not even on par with iOS Game Center, and most people think that Game Center sucks in it's current incarnation. And, goes without saying, light years from Steam.
 
dallow_bg said:
Are you saying they shouldn't bother because some fanboys would still complain? Who cares?

Pretty sure most of us here would appreciate it.
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you'll see posts along the lines of "good jon nintendo, you've finally reached the online status we had 14 years ago *grin*"
 
Snuggler said:
Heh, same here and the funny thing about that sentiment is how low we're setting the bar. PSN is functional at best but that alone would be a huge upgrade over what Nintender has offered so far.
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At least I'm not setting the bar so low that I mention WiiU online and 3DS in the same sentence like some people.

I just want something like PSN. If the 3DS had good online capabilities I'd be too busy playing with it to post here lol.
snesfreak said:
True, it does need a good online system.
But Nintendo could make the greatest online system ever created in the history of online gaming, for FREE. And people would STILL find something to complain about.
Just because it's Nintendo.

Oh, and I see there's already someone saying the games won't look any better.
So, I have to ask, what's the future like? Since you know everything already.
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I honestly don't care if people are complaining. I didn't give a shit about all the crap being spewed towards "waggle" when I got my first taste of what gunplay could be like using the Wiimote. I didn't give a shit when I played one of my first point and click games(Zack and Wiki) on the Wii and had a blast until the end.

I don't give a shit if the trolls want to complain about lack of clan options or a 100 person friends list. If I got netflix party watch, gamertags and party chat I'd be in heaven regardless of the complaints.
 
dallow_bg said:
Are you saying they shouldn't bother because some fanboys would still complain? Who cares?

Pretty sure most of us here would appreciate it.
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Nope, I want a good online system.
Just saying some people will complain no matter what.
 
Serenade said:
you'll see posts along the lines of "good jon nintendo, you've finally reached the online status we had 14 years ago *grin*"
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Like I said. Who cares as long as they deliver.
 
Coolwhip said:
I find that a poor choice aswell. It's probably because the Homer controller adds too much to the cost and Nintendo wants to keep the price at 299.
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But its choices like that that prevent the Wii/Wii-U from being a machine that isn't just the Nintendo machine and is the machine for entertainment.

Honestly I think OnLive or Apple is going to crack into Nintendo's space and kick them out. With everything that is happening right now in hardware how could you not try to hit something out of the park?
 
snesfreak said:
True, it does need a good online system.
But Nintendo could make the greatest online system ever created in the history of online gaming, for FREE. And people would STILL find something to complain about.
Just because it's Nintendo.

Oh, and I see there's already someone saying the games won't look any better.
So, I have to ask, what's the future like? Since you know everything already.
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Poor Nintendo?
 
Fox318 said:
But its choices like that that prevent the Wii/Wii-U from being a machine that isn't just the Nintendo machine and is the machine for entertainment.

Honestly I think OnLive or Apple is going to crack into Nintendo's space and kick them out. With everything that is happening right now in hardware how could you not try to hit something out of the park?
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Every time somebody suggests that OnLive is going to be a major player in the console space, a baby cries.
 
Red UFO said:
I feel like Nintendo is relying on Netflix to fulfill the movie side of things.
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And Netflix is like that last thing I want.

I'd rather be able to send a message to my sister who's on my 3DS friend list.
 
BurntPork said:
I'm new here, and yet I still know exactly where this is going. It's sad, really.

Maybe it's best to stay out of these threads until Nintendo stops being typical Nintendo and actually says something that can be interpreted in one way and one way only.


... Who am I kidding? That'll never happen.
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They did that with the Wii U and people still magically got confused as to if it was a new console or not with a new console sitting next to a new controller.

You are right though, sadly. I'm going to jump out of here as well.
 
RoadHazard said:
For good third party support to happen it needs both.
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3rd party support will happen on the perceived size of the userbase combined with the comparable hardware.

The games will manage better sales if the online experience is good enough to pull in users.

Good online will help build communities and has the capability of adding huge momentum.

Personal Example: I would have never purchased Call of Duty: Black Ops unless friends had insisted so that we could play zombie mode.
 
dallow_bg said:
And Netflix is like that last thing I want.

I'd rather be able to send a message to my sister who's on my 3DS friend list.
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I'm honestly shocked that 3DS doesn't support video chat, especially since Wii U will. Nintendo doesn't usually take steps backwards from what they've already done, so I would like to believe that messaging will come at some point.
 
Red UFO said:
Don't start that shit again.
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It's true.
Red UFO said:
I feel like Nintendo is relying on Netflix to fulfill the movie side of things.
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You mean the service that is already built into almost every tv, phone, and media player? They need more than that. By the time the Wii-U comes out Roku like boxes are gonna be $30.

BurntPork said:
Every time somebody suggests that OnLive is going to be a major player in the console space, a baby cries.
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It's literally going to be built in every TV that people will purchase at Wall-Mart. Why would economically conscious customers(who Nintendo is supposedly targeting) buy a console when it's already built into their TV? Same goes for Apple, they are gonna go after the home market with the same intensity that Microsoft first did with the Xbox.

This is a pivotal moment for Nintendo. They need to take a risk on both the hardware and the online front.
 
FrenchToastDisciple said:
For fuck's sake guys, talk about games and evaluate systems when they launch.
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This is a thread about the Nintendo and it's online strategy. If you want to talk about games go make a thread.
 
Snuggler said:
what should we talk about until then?
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I don't know. Games for systems that are out? Systems that are out? Games that we loved in the past? Don't get me wrong, it's okay to speculate a little bit and to talk about upcoming systems, but at some point you just don't have anything else to go on, and you should wait until more information or even better, the launch.

I'll leave. I'm just tired of all these threads. Guess I'll have to learn to stay out of them.
 
upJTboogie said:
Yeah, just seems like a "Poor Nintendo, always getting picked on" attitude.
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Some people just like to complain about whatever they're doing even if they had no intention of buying the thing ever (trolls basically).

Not that there's not things they can do a LOT better (the subject of this thread for one thing.)
 
Wii U needs good games.


At least that's what I go by when I decide on my videogame consoles. I literally only use the online functions of the PS360 to download demos and the odd XBLA/PSN title.


But I know I'm the odd man out here.
 
snesfreak said:
Some people just like to complain about whatever they're doing even if they had no intention of buying the thing ever (trolls basically).

Not that there's not things they can do a LOT better (the subject of this thread for one thing.)
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Why do you care though?
You've posted similar things in the past.

At least you're not wearing rose tinted glasses like AceBandage.
 
If the Wii had a decent online interface, closer to the PS360 offerings, instead of the atrocious shit we have, I believe its sales wouldn't be plummeting like it currently is, Mario Kart and Smash would still be selling etc..

Unfortunately this doesn't seems like it :(
 
Baiano19 said:
If the Wii had a decent online interface, closer to the PS360 offerings, instead of the atrocious shit we have, I believe its sales wouldn't be plummeting like it currently is, Mario Kart and Smash would still be selling etc..

Unfortunately this doesn't seems like it :(
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I can't be the only one who believes that MK became successful because of it's online component, right?

When I first played Mario Kart Wii and I played against twelve people it was more fun than the first time I played MK64. I think this was a big part of MKWii's draw.

It would explain why Brawl's crappy online component crippled it's sales potential.
FrenchToastDisciple said:
I agree with your sentiment, but as a Junior, that would be hard :P
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That is why I phrased it that way.

Now I feel kinda bad...
 
FrenchToastDisciple said:
I don't know. Games for systems that are out? Systems that are out? Games that we loved in the past? Don't get me wrong, it's okay to speculate a little bit and to talk about upcoming systems, but at some point you just don't have anything else to go on, and you should wait until more information or even better, the launch. Guess I'll have to learn to stay out of them.
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You mean what the rest of neogaf is talking about?
FrenchToastDisciple said:
Guess I'll have to learn to stay out of them.
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DING DING DING DING DING We have a winner!
 
I await the full reveal of their online plans before I comment further.

Nintendo themselves probably don't need anything revolutionary -- before softmods, hacks and exploits were found - Mario Kart Wii was some of the most fun online gaming you could have. I think they need decent online for third party games. I don't mean so they can get third party games, I mean so that their customers support third parties and BUY those games though, and to snare some gamers who have migrated away from them to 360/PS3. Hardcore Nintendo consumers are notoriously savvy, they won't put down the cash if the superior versions are on other consoles.

Anyway, as I say, we don't know what they've planned yet. They've made some good noises, as have third parties -- I want to see more about the implementation before I form an opinion.
 
Rome wasn't built in a day and all that..

Whatever they come up with i'm expecting it to be light years behind Xbox Live and PSN. This should have been the second thing they cleared up after they revealed the system at E3.
 
Fox318 said:
How about decent media capabilities? I'm still pissed of that Nintendo refuses to pay for DVD/Blu-Ray playback. How fucking stupid is it that families and kids have to have two boxes to play back optical disk media? You would figure Nintendo would want the Wii/WiiU to be the center of your television/media experience. Instead it will just be the Just Dance machine for most people.
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I don't want or need another DVD or Blu Ray player (I don't even USE either - all my stuff is on a drive), and I'm glad I won't have to pay for one with this.
 
That would be awesome! I mean, imagine the Wii-U being able to access the next-generation of online, Internet2. 8.8 terabits per second!
 
Sometimes I feel like the only person who doesn't care about online for a Nintendo console. For Smash and Kart? Great. For everything else? Don't need it. I've almost always seen the Nintendo console as a single player/same room machine. Their IPs just don't lend themselves to online play.

Though if they were making the push for third party support, and you told me I could grind my Mag on PSO2 while on the crapper...
 
I disagree. I really don't see people buying a Wii U for Call of Duty, for example.

I think Wii U's most attractive feature will be the dream of playing our favorite Nintendo franchises with current/next-gen tech and in HD.
 
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:
I disagree. I really don't see people buying a Wii U for Call of Duty, for example.

I think Wii U's most attractive feature will be the dream of playing our favorite Nintendo franchises with current/next-gen tech and in HD.
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I think your right and that's why as a third party machine it will be a failure again.
 
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:
I disagree. I really don't see people buying a Wii U for Call of Duty, for example.

I think Wii U's most attractive feature will be the dream of playing our favorite Nintendo franchises with current/next-gen tech and in HD.
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Tell that to the million plus people who bought the games on the Wii when Activision threw them some scraps.

People said the same thing about Call of Duty and the PS3 when the 360 CoD audience was more than triple the size. After consistent releases and proper attention to both communities the PSN CoD community is nearly the same size as that of the 360 one and the brand as a whole has become a true monster.

Third parties left money on the table in this generation and they'd be stupid to leave it on the table again. There is no way around that.
 
The longer Nintendo decides to skimp on online functionality, the more difficult it will be to catch up.

Nintendo are lucky that their lack of online didn't kick their ass for the Wii era. It'll catch up to them eventually, however.
 
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