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Wii U Speculation Thread 2: Can't take anymore of this!!!
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IceDoesntHelp
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Alright, thanks for clearing that up for me.
You're drinking again huh Pyro?
Blu can you chime in with some dev knowledge here? My graphic dev skills are pretty rudimentary. What parts of a current engine would not be running fully optimized on the Wii U. I thought it was pretty much going to be the same type of tech as current gen, just faster. I'm thinking it would really only be something like how the engine uses its main RAM and EDRAM. Would an engine that was enhanced for optimised EDRAM use provide a noticeable boost over an engine that had to use little to no EDRAM?
Is there something in a possibly newer shader model that would enable you to do things a lot faster? What about tesselation. If that's added to an engine can that increase performance? I was under the impression that it would only improve memory use and visual appearance.
CryEngine 3?
Anyway, while I'm trying to temper my expectations and stay within the realm of reality and sanity, this news does on the surface sound a little unfortunate. But as said, we don't really know what lherre was expecting.
Only 2000K sorry
To the rest, I can't answer all your questions (first because I have to sleep, and second because I can't)
I'll back tomorrow and try to answer what I can if I can.
Nothing against lherre at all, but how do we know this? The fact that people can be banned for giving false information is not much of a deterrent when there's no way to confirm the info as true or false.
We've gone through multiple people jumping in with insider info, some confirmed as having an email address from a developer and their info doesn't all line up. And the info that DOES line up... well, they're all reading the same posts from each other.
I don't know that the email address confirmation + the threat of a ban is a sufficient one-two combo to weed out trolls or hype-feeders.
Once again, NOT saying that lherre specifically is a troll, but I think we're tossing out our salt-shakers just a little too eagerly.
bgassassin
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Lherre was confirmed a LONG time ago.
And actually no one as of yet (including Arkam) has posted something that doesn't completely line up with what we know.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
you can do whatever your heart desiresOnly 2000K sorry
To the rest, I can't answer all your questions (first because I have to sleep, and second because I can't)
saving it for post e3You're drinking again huh Pyro?
it's time for you to make a long reasonable post explaining everyone what we know so everyone can calm down....go!
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
The lengthy NDA has some loopholes due to certain ways of communication Nintendo has not considered, so if you are feeling bold you could always find those and provide us with some goodies. I of course don't recommend you to do anything risky, but some solid details about for example the memory pool(s) would be most intriguing.Only 2000K sorry
To the rest, I can't answer all your questions (first because I have to sleep, and second because I can't)
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Good question.
AceBandage
Banned
The problem is that these are dev kits.
And it's brand new hardware.
Doesn't matter how easy Nintendo makes it to develop for, there is still a learning curve.
And this is why we're getting problems with the software vs the hardware.
Exactly what I want to hear from devs.
Don't know why everyone is freaking out.
Harada:
Hmmm... back in 2008:
20 meters back in 2008. Unfortunatley, a year later:
Hmmm... back in 2008:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2008/12/08/zerowire_rivals_wirelesshd
20 meters back in 2008. Unfortunatley, a year later:
I still don't agree that Arkams info actually lines up. For instance the difference in RAM amounts he talked about, of course it can be explained, but the fact is it does require explanation, it doesn't just line up.
-Pyromaniac-
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I said this before and I'll say it again. I have no qualms with the WiiU not being as strong as people hope, even if it is ever so slightly better than this generation, AS LONG, and only as long as the price reflects that. If they price it cheap then no beef from me, I'll treat it as a nintendo hd system and be happy. But if they price it higher (which all indications seem it will be, by higher I mean 299+), then I expect performance to reflect that. And I think it will.
I still say, a completely reasonable expectation is visuals 2x better (generally) than this generation, but things like RAM obviously being much higher to take it to a higher level, making the price difference worth it (and a tablet controller lulz). All in all, people need to simmer down.
I still say, a completely reasonable expectation is visuals 2x better (generally) than this generation, but things like RAM obviously being much higher to take it to a higher level, making the price difference worth it (and a tablet controller lulz). All in all, people need to simmer down.
bgassassin
Member
LOL. It's the same thing as before. People aren't separating the opinions from facts. And as I mentioned it seems that key info about what he said is missing and that he can't reveal what it is. And what might be disappointing to him might sound nice to others.
I think it lined up just fine with early dev kit info going back to the Cafe leaks that is. It was his opinion that was the problem as that didn't line up with what we knew. From the get go it sounded like the problem was with how his company designed the game(s) to work with PS360.
People like lherre should be careful when they post new information. Try to use simple sentences, so even the most desperate person can't read anything else into it.
I just imagined the feeling when I buy the system with like 5 games and some other accessories, take photos, post them on GAF, open the box, smell the controller...then play with the OS for an hour and play Pikmin 3 till the next morning and try the other games the whole next day...wow...
I just imagined the feeling when I buy the system with like 5 games and some other accessories, take photos, post them on GAF, open the box, smell the controller...then play with the OS for an hour and play Pikmin 3 till the next morning and try the other games the whole next day...wow...
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Could be a massive bunch of stuff. From trivial to not at all. E.g. if it's frostbite, then it could be something about the way the engine dispatches work packets to the CPU cores (that engine is on the tech front of symmetric cores utilisation). But it could be something really trivial as well - say, the way GPU command buffers/lists are built. Or something in the GPU buffer fences/syncs. Or something in the preferred GPU buffer types - the GPU caches might prefer one shape of data over another. Literally, it could be gazillion of things - that's why highly paid 'core tech' teams are taking care of those things - to have an engine 'just running' on a platform is far from to have it production-ready.
That Gahiggidy fellow sure asks some hard hitting questions.
Like I said, I'm not even targeting lherre specifically. We just had another post today from someone who hasn't been confirmed, and no one questioned it (probably because it was so optimistic).
But as to lherre specifically, "confirmed a LONG time ago," means (as far as I know) "showed a mod that he has an email address at a developer." It doesn't matter how long ago it was, it was still the same process. Isn't that right?
Don't get me wrong, I think that GAF has a uniquely awesome system in that mods can check email addresses like that, but it's not foolproof. Like was pointed out with Arkam, he could have a former employee with an email address that's still active there, or he could be in finance, or... etc. I just think we need to remember that the possibility of at least 1 or 2 trolls or hype-feeders slipping through the system should keep us on our toes.
(And Arkam was saying his current dev kit [and he couldn't have believed it was one of the first dev kits since he talked about a "supposed new devkit, if it really exists"] is less powerful than the 360. lherre is saying that FIVE TIMES the power is probably not the case, implying that it's at least more powerful than a 360. Those two things don't line up.)
Another weekend, another 30 pages... wth guys? lol
What have you discussed for 30 pages in < 3 days?!
And yes, I saw the last 2 pages of ideaman and lherre
You're probably fairly accurate aside from the RAM. I'd expect less than 2GB and GDDR3 at this point.
Dear lord, is BF3 really that blurry on consoles? That looks near-SD blown up.
Xenos was always R500 based.
Actually, I think with the more modest jumps in hardware coming this next round you're going to go back to 5 year cycles for everyone.
Next gen engines, current gen engines... they're all the same base dude. All lherre has said was that he was expecting more from a next gen machine. I think all of them are going to be less than what he's envisioned from them. The Wii U will just be the weakest of the bunch, as we've always known.
Not struggling, just not running it as well as he thinks it should. He also mentioned it hasn't been "optimized" for the machine yet. Whatever that means.
No. Only pong in 1080p
Dude, the current gen systems are still selling at $299 for all intents and purposes.
What have you discussed for 30 pages in < 3 days?!
And yes, I saw the last 2 pages of ideaman and lherre
You're probably fairly accurate aside from the RAM. I'd expect less than 2GB and GDDR3 at this point.
Dear lord, is BF3 really that blurry on consoles? That looks near-SD blown up.
Xenos was always R500 based.
Actually, I think with the more modest jumps in hardware coming this next round you're going to go back to 5 year cycles for everyone.
Next gen engines, current gen engines... they're all the same base dude. All lherre has said was that he was expecting more from a next gen machine. I think all of them are going to be less than what he's envisioned from them. The Wii U will just be the weakest of the bunch, as we've always known.
Not struggling, just not running it as well as he thinks it should. He also mentioned it hasn't been "optimized" for the machine yet. Whatever that means.
No. Only pong in 1080p
-Pyromaniac- said:
Dude, the current gen systems are still selling at $299 for all intents and purposes.
bgassassin
Member
With Arkam, see the post above. He was very clear it was an older kit and that he didn't have direct access to the kit. He said the info he has was second-hand. Personally I think Arkam is fine and not worth getting hung up over.
Everything to me seems to be in line with what we know. The most out of place thing we've heard in the last few months was the 4-core CPU w/768MB-1GB of eDRAM. That one went against everything we knew.
I think Lherre is genuine, in fact I have little doubt of that. The only problem is the amazing ability people on the internet have to misinterpret sentences. Then the sheer number of "2+2=5 we're doomed" posts means he finds it hard to respond to questions that may clear things up. Also English clearly isn't his first language. But I appreciate Lherre being here and hopefully he can clear things up tomorrow.
It can line up with that, if we assume he's getting his info from someone with a first gen kit. I'm just saying his info hardly fits like a glove over info from people like Lherre, that's all. I'm still very sceptical of anything Arkam says to be honest.
Cheers. While I understood all that, one thing I didn't realise is that the Wii U could be significantly different in these areas with room for optimisation that only it could do. I was under the naive impression that tech from 360->Wii U was pretty much the same with more SPU's, faster clocks, more RAM.
I now hope that if the Wii U does have it's own specialties that developers and engine makers take the time to add support to their engine to run Wii U titles as optimised as possible.
-Pyromaniac-
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360 bundled with kinect is 299, they have a cheap sku without it for 199, which dips to 129-149 during big sales like the holidays (aka when wiiU launches). PS3 is 250 or less with a big harddrive included, bluray player, whatever else, and is also 200 or less come holiday time.
If wiiU launches at 299 lets say, and that's their BREAK EVEN point, no way they can compete in the holidays. All this is under like 70 different assumptions though. I'm just saying, their pricing needs to reflect the capabilities, and it needs to be aggressive.
What? ... what is this? These multipliers have to go.
Do we all forget how terribly the UE ran on PS3 at first? Granted, the architecture of the PS3 was quite different, on top of having a weaker GPU.
AceBandage
Banned
Again, not exactly seeing why people are freaking out about what Llherre said...
He said that the engine and the system weren't optimized and he thinks that they'll get it to where he wants it to be as a developer...
How is that bad news?
He said that the engine and the system weren't optimized and he thinks that they'll get it to where he wants it to be as a developer...
How is that bad news?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
This is neogafboutnintendo.
bgassassin
Member
Yeah. Way back when in that Vigil video interview they said they were finding things that not even Nintendo knew about.
Agreed.
Fair enough.
It should. It still had room for improvement even as a demo.
I don't see why a fully fleshed out game couldn't be at least on par with that.
It could be any of those engines, because there was no mention of hiccups.
AceBandage
Banned
Actually, both the GC and Wii were 1999 hardware.
bgassassin
Member
LOL. Considering the debate I had defending Sony in this thread, I can't argue.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
What about Xbox 1?
AceBandage
Banned
And I don't see what's so bad about being optimistic, in these cases.
Rather than taking things directly at face value we analyze what was said and what is and try to explain it.
Fourth Storm
Member
Dear me, this is the thread of misinterpretations
AFAIR he said that the new V5 kit is giving slightly better framerates then the V4 kit. Nothing about a comparison to current consoles.
Reading it over again, that makes more sense. Thanks for making me take a second look at his wording.
I'm also sticking with the reasonable crowd here. This new info doesn't clash with what we've already heard. The lack of engine optimization here is key.
From what I've read around here, it looks more like Wii U will be to the 720 what the DC was to the Xbox (hopefully with good sales figures).
Yes english is not my first language, feel free to correct me when you see a mistake (not only you, all of you in the thread).
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
It is hilarious that people were/are dogging Lherre and Arkham for trolling, embellishing, lying, not really being who they say they are, and now stolen identity (lol) when they are the two that have been verified while Ideaman is being welcomed with open arms when nobody knows who the hell he is. Hmmmm... I wonder why that is?
All I know is that the tech demos I saw at E3 looked pretty good. Considering Nintendo has never not met or exceeded their tech demos, that will be the bar I set for my expectations. Anybody doing anything else (that does not have inside info) is setting themselves up for disappointment.
All I know is that the tech demos I saw at E3 looked pretty good. Considering Nintendo has never not met or exceeded their tech demos, that will be the bar I set for my expectations. Anybody doing anything else (that does not have inside info) is setting themselves up for disappointment.
AceBandage
Banned
Because Nintendo has been reaching out to major third parties for input.
So it would make sense for them to try and get a system that can be optimized with third party engines.
It's all part of getting them on board.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I'm just hoping Nintendo has really polished launched games with nothing that could just pass as tech demos
I don't really care about this 2x 5x thing anymore from all the talk here its easier to just expect 3.5x 360 and leave it at that.
I just want to see the games now leak a little something... just ONE image would do wonders for the long wait
I don't really care about this 2x 5x thing anymore from all the talk here its easier to just expect 3.5x 360 and leave it at that.
I just want to see the games now leak a little something... just ONE image would do wonders for the long wait
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